Let Tomac Bye Gate

10/14/2018 9:13pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2018 12:13am
Bayle almost got benched for saying he wouldn't help Stanton but, who was it that Boniface didn't want to help in the '03 Outdoor Nationals? KTM benched him.

Edit: Almost certain it was Hughes.
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10/15/2018 12:03pm
The last thing Kawi (and our sport) needed was ET getting hurt hanging it out trying to get past a teammate he was going to pass anyway for a race that counted for nothing but a one-off payday.
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10/15/2018 12:12pm
i just hope savatgy had a convo with eli that if it came down to him letting him by then he would get a cut.
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10/15/2018 12:37pm
Hcallz5 wrote:
I say good on them, stick it to the corporations that make way too much off of sugar water. Not to mention they helped out that...
I say good on them, stick it to the corporations that make way too much off of sugar water. Not to mention they helped out that kid who probably already blew half of it at the club last night.
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I heard the kid is in jail(hospital?) for buying too many hookers
Wait... was that Peelout?!?
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10/15/2018 12:52pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2018 12:53pm
i just hope savatgy had a convo with eli that if it came down to him letting him by then he would get a cut.
Highly doubt anyone would have predicted that Eli would be fighting Savagty for a win in the last race. Savagty made the decision on the fly based on the basic principle of helping his teammate, who had far more on the line than he did in that particular situation.

And yeah, I hope Eli gives him a nice cut for that!
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10/15/2018 1:59pm
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I'd be interested in knowing what Lloyds of London does. Monster insures 2 million dollars, 2 Monster athletes conspire for the payoff. Insurance companies don't stay...
I'd be interested in knowing what Lloyds of London does. Monster insures 2 million dollars, 2 Monster athletes conspire for the payoff. Insurance companies don't stay in business by being nice.
After watching the press conference and the interview with the fan that won the million I was thinking it's a good thing he works in a law firm. Because I'll bet that after the way that race ended, if Monster doesn't step up and pay out of pocket, he's not going to see a dime.

As cool as it was to see Eli and that kid both win a million, it really doesn't help the sport at all to have the race leader let second place by to secure the victory. Bookmakers will look badly upon this as if races can and will be fixed by the teams/competitors. It made for great TV seeing some kid from the stands make some bank, but overall I was yelling at my TV because of it. I didn't lose a million dollars, but I did lose on out seeing what a racer will do to a teammate for a million dollar payday.

It was a thrilling lead up to a really blah ending for anybody watching the race. Although I did yell at the TV, so I guess I was a little excited, just for the wrong reason.
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10/15/2018 2:12pm
RandyS wrote:
I'd be interested in knowing what Lloyds of London does. Monster insures 2 million dollars, 2 Monster athletes conspire for the payoff. Insurance companies don't stay...
I'd be interested in knowing what Lloyds of London does. Monster insures 2 million dollars, 2 Monster athletes conspire for the payoff. Insurance companies don't stay in business by being nice.
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After watching the press conference and the interview with the fan that won the million I was thinking it's a good thing he works in a...
After watching the press conference and the interview with the fan that won the million I was thinking it's a good thing he works in a law firm. Because I'll bet that after the way that race ended, if Monster doesn't step up and pay out of pocket, he's not going to see a dime.

As cool as it was to see Eli and that kid both win a million, it really doesn't help the sport at all to have the race leader let second place by to secure the victory. Bookmakers will look badly upon this as if races can and will be fixed by the teams/competitors. It made for great TV seeing some kid from the stands make some bank, but overall I was yelling at my TV because of it. I didn't lose a million dollars, but I did lose on out seeing what a racer will do to a teammate for a million dollar payday.

It was a thrilling lead up to a really blah ending for anybody watching the race. Although I did yell at the TV, so I guess I was a little excited, just for the wrong reason.
If our Sport is at the point where it needs random fans at the races who have the chance to win 1Million Dollar to make things more interesting on TV in order to get new people into our Sport - then we have even bigger problems than I could ever imagine!!
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10/15/2018 2:18pm
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the dude past... he just needed to take a few bad lines and it would have been all over.
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10/15/2018 2:31pm
Falcon wrote:
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the...
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the dude past... he just needed to take a few bad lines and it would have been all over.
or pretend the Kawi died once again Wink
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10/15/2018 2:35pm
Falcon wrote:
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the...
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the dude past... he just needed to take a few bad lines and it would have been all over.
or pretend the Kawi died once again Wink
I have a question. You ride Richard ?
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10/16/2018 8:17am
I think it is cool and all, definitely a good story but... doesn't this fall under fixing an outcome of a race which the AMA has a rule against?

Marvin/Dungey
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10/16/2018 9:35am
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I have a question. You ride Richard ?
If by ride, you mean post ridiculously stupid shit on vital, then yes. He rides hourly.
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10/16/2018 9:38am
Guess no one has seen this yet. Savatgy talks about why he did it.

https://youtu.be/fTnXYKbbXE0?rel=0&start=187
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Well well well... would you look at that...
Problem is these morans don't care. They either don't like Joey or Eli and they will talk shit regardless.
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10/16/2018 10:11am
i just hope savatgy had a convo with eli that if it came down to him letting him by then he would get a cut.
Highly doubt anyone would have predicted that Eli would be fighting Savagty for a win in the last race. Savagty made the decision on the fly...
Highly doubt anyone would have predicted that Eli would be fighting Savagty for a win in the last race. Savagty made the decision on the fly based on the basic principle of helping his teammate, who had far more on the line than he did in that particular situation.

And yeah, I hope Eli gives him a nice cut for that!
It was a business decision. He knows he’s not a top tier rider and that his job is on the chopping block consistently, just like all riders who aren’t in that top 5 group all the time. He figured he should do that to make his bosses and teammate happy.

As for Tomac though, I’m sure he was frustrated. I’m sure his comments both last year and the year before that criticized “race fixing” were running through his mind after Joey moved over.

Not his fault though. What was he supposed to do? Just slow up more and let Joey win?
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10/16/2018 10:15am
If by ride, you mean post ridiculously stupid shit on vital, then yes. He rides hourly.
dude , all you do on here is critizise people on what they post ... who gives a fuck about you ? Tongue
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10/16/2018 10:21am
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I have a question. You ride Richard ?
not anymore , started BMX and MX after .. last time i tried i did 3 laps on a Yamaha 4 stroke 450 @ Lelystad
man way too much power .. dropped to 250 but man got no fitness .. 3 laps and im done Laughing
my brother has a MX / tuningshop next to a MX track , we have always been involved in motosport
My uncles did speedway and karting and MX , my brother does supermoto these days
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10/16/2018 10:26am
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Just wanted to be the guy to start itLaughing
Total embarrassment to the sport I thought
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10/16/2018 10:29am
Falcon wrote:
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the...
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the dude past... he just needed to take a few bad lines and it would have been all over.
or pretend the Kawi died once again Wink
WCRider wrote:
I have a question. You ride Richard ?
I would bet he has ridden a lot of richard
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10/16/2018 10:41am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2018 10:45am
I did a quick search for "Monster Energy Cup" on Google News to see how much mainstream press coverage this generated. All I saw was a story in Autoweek, with a headline you won't see in any moto publication: "Questions linger as Eli Tomac wins 2018 Monster Energy Cup in Las Vegas."

Read more: https://autoweek.com/article/other-motorsports/questions-linger-eli-tom…

I think this industry has lost its way. When people voiced their dismay on Vital that major races are now blatantly thrown, industry people are at the ready to ridicule and insult them. Stuff like this was such a huge controversy at the Rodil Cup years ago, or when Jeff Emig raced the nights went out in Vegas. Now there seems to be a recognition that it's all one big Monster Energy commercial and "just shut up and enjoy it."

From the article. This doesn't exactly portray Supercross as the pinnacle of human competition:




After the race someone asked Tomac how much of the million dollars he was going to give to Savatgy.

“No comment,” Tomac said without irony or facial expression.

Savatgy’s comment on the press dias after the race was more prescient: “At the end of the day we are a team.”

It’s unclear if there actually were team orders, as happened only a week ago in Formula 1, or if Savatgy simply was doing a favor for a friend. I tracked him down after the press conference and asked the following, “Were you still racing all the way to the end?”

“Yeah, of course, absolutely,” Savatgy said.

So there you go, the perfect end to a perfect event that was, maybe, too perfectly played out.

The 17-round 2019 Monster Energy Supercross season kicks off January 5 at Angel Stadium in Anaheim, California.

I need a drink.

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10/16/2018 11:08am
dude , all you do on here is critizise people on what they post ... who gives a fuck about you ? :P [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/10/16/296072/s1200_yawning.jpg[/img]
dude , all you do on here is critizise people on what they post ... who gives a fuck about you ? Tongue
Actually, I think that's your job. Sorry if I stole your thunder. You "butthurt", bro? Laughing
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10/16/2018 11:58am
There's a big difference when its a one-off prize only one guy can win and a title battle between two riders with another rider meddling to prejudice one of the title contenders.

I don't really care in either situation, but that's nonsense.
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10/16/2018 12:03pm
Falcon wrote:
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the...
Savatgy sure could have made the whole scenario easier by just checking up and letting Eli do what Eli does. #17 didn't have to wave the dude past... he just needed to take a few bad lines and it would have been all over.
I certainly agree with you there....but do you think we'd be reading a post titled "Choke-Gate" instead of LTB-Gate lol ???
10/16/2018 12:07pm
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I have a question. You ride Richard ?
not anymore , started BMX and MX after .. last time i tried i did 3 laps on a Yamaha 4 stroke 450 @ Lelystad man...
not anymore , started BMX and MX after .. last time i tried i did 3 laps on a Yamaha 4 stroke 450 @ Lelystad
man way too much power .. dropped to 250 but man got no fitness .. 3 laps and im done Laughing
my brother has a MX / tuningshop next to a MX track , we have always been involved in motosport
My uncles did speedway and karting and MX , my brother does supermoto these days
There goes the credibility you’ve never had.
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10/16/2018 12:31pm
There goes the credibility you’ve never had.
like i said , i dont care you doubt my story , as you dont know shit about me
but its so lame to follow me around and dislike my post and mak these childish cmments etc .. thats sad dude or kid
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10/16/2018 12:56pm
I liked when Marv did it, I liked when Savatgy did it. I think it’s good cohesion and teamwork, plus I wanted the fan to win.
Now whether it was right or wrong,..meh. I can definitely see why some people aren’t happy about it, but it was a happy ending for a one-off race
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like i said , i dont care you doubt my story , as you dont know shit about me but its so lame to follow me...
like i said , i dont care you doubt my story , as you dont know shit about me
but its so lame to follow me around and dislike my post and mak these childish cmments etc .. thats sad dude or kid
I’m only allowed one down vote. Surely you don’t think I’m responsible for all of them.
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