Eli Shares His Thoughts on Fixing the Outcome of a Race

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51xc 10/14/2018 5:25am
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colvin227 wrote:
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have...
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have won either way. The only difference is they are getting more money from monster, and they changed a kids life....wow so horrible
RG1 wrote:
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible...
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible outcome for rider and team. To say you can't make a connection between the 2 is moronic
wrong. tomac would have won the event regardless. dungey was in the position to loose out on the championship back then. 2 very different situation.
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nealb129 10/14/2018 5:28am
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Are team tactics ok on this occasion?
yes, because of who got let by... anyone else no
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Downunder wrote:
This is not the same situation. What Mavin did had the potential to mess with a championship.
Andy_Greenney wrote:
What’s the difference? It all comes down to money in the end
milliebays wrote:
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum. all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost...
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum.

all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost out. noone else was going to collect any more money. savage will be taken care of for missing the moto win.

if it makes you feel any better, 25% percent of it will be collected by the feds to prop up inefficient social programs!
Dont forget a fan got a million from it too. Off season racd - doesnt matter. Eli had the overall win anyways.
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colvin227 wrote:
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have...
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have won either way. The only difference is they are getting more money from monster, and they changed a kids life....wow so horrible
RG1 wrote:
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible...
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible outcome for rider and team. To say you can't make a connection between the 2 is moronic
51xc wrote:
wrong. tomac would have won the event regardless. dungey was in the position to loose out on the championship back then. 2 very different situation.
Dungey gained 3 pts passing Marv and won the title by 4....
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Kx125rider 10/14/2018 5:45am
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Theres a lot more tension in a title fight, youre getting paid to win titles. This was like a bonus race that doesn’t affect a title fight or anything
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yak651 10/14/2018 5:58am
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84 wouldn't have pulled over for 222 or vice versa, maybe that's why they smoked us last weekend?
That and its funny how all these Eli fans can make it ok fo Joey to pull over but not Marv. I guess shouldn't be surprised as they feigned outrage over Marv taking Eli out when Eli has done the same to others...
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Kx125rider wrote:
Theres a lot more tension in a title fight, youre getting paid to win titles. This was like a bonus race that doesn’t affect a title...
Theres a lot more tension in a title fight, youre getting paid to win titles. This was like a bonus race that doesn’t affect a title fight or anything
No way, a race is a race and you never help out a teammate regardless of how pointless of a novelty race it is. That’s why my son knows to not expect any favors from me in our family potato sack races. Not up in here!
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I must be the only one who was stoked that the regular Joe (whatever his name was) won his million when Joey let him "bye."
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colvin227 wrote:
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have...
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have won either way. The only difference is they are getting more money from monster, and they changed a kids life....wow so horrible
RG1 wrote:
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible...
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible outcome for rider and team. To say you can't make a connection between the 2 is moronic
NateDawg wrote:
He didn't take anything from someone else. Dungey took points and a title from another rider in a CHAMPIONSHIP. Tomac was in a single money event...
He didn't take anything from someone else. Dungey took points and a title from another rider in a CHAMPIONSHIP. Tomac was in a single money event where he was winning the event no matter if Savatgy pulled over or not. He didn't cost anyone else a chance at anything and he changed a kid's life in the process. Y'all are ridiculous.
Lloyd's of London may beg to differ on that first sentence of yours.
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RG1 10/14/2018 6:33am
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colvin227 wrote:
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have...
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have won either way. The only difference is they are getting more money from monster, and they changed a kids life....wow so horrible
RG1 wrote:
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible...
It's exactly the same thing. Regardless of whether it's a million or a Championship on the line, it's still switching riders to get the best possible outcome for rider and team. To say you can't make a connection between the 2 is moronic
NateDawg wrote:
He didn't take anything from someone else. Dungey took points and a title from another rider in a CHAMPIONSHIP. Tomac was in a single money event...
He didn't take anything from someone else. Dungey took points and a title from another rider in a CHAMPIONSHIP. Tomac was in a single money event where he was winning the event no matter if Savatgy pulled over or not. He didn't cost anyone else a chance at anything and he changed a kid's life in the process. Y'all are ridiculous.
It's doesn't matter whether it cost someone else anything or not. It's rigging the outcome of a race for financial gain. Doesn't matter if it's a Championship or a Million on the line. Marv and Dungey didn't cost anyone anything. Tomac cost himself by folding like a cheap lawn chair. It's the irony and hypocrisy on Tomac and Kawi's part that gets me.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
Lloyd's of London may beg to differ on that first sentence of yours.
Indeed they will.

My cousin was a 'name' at Lloyds , they are very particular about paying out.

Or rather not paying out.
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yak651 10/14/2018 7:03am
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tcallahan707 wrote:
Lloyd's of London may beg to differ on that first sentence of yours.
philG wrote:
Indeed they will.

My cousin was a 'name' at Lloyds , they are very particular about paying out.

Or rather not paying out.
Hmm, insurance companies being difficult about paying out. Say it isn't so!!

Almost like fanboys making excuses for why its ok for their guy and not the other guy!
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milliebays 10/14/2018 7:09am
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milliebays wrote:
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum. all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost...
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum.

all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost out. noone else was going to collect any more money. savage will be taken care of for missing the moto win.

if it makes you feel any better, 25% percent of it will be collected by the feds to prop up inefficient social programs!
whateversclever69 wrote:
You really should read an itemized tax breakdown of where your money goes.

*hint: only a small percentage goes toward the stuff you complain about

https://www.cbpp.org/most-of-budget-goes-toward-defense-social-security…
I know what youre saying. Nearly everything is a social program broadly and theyre nearly all inefficient.
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If I were the insurance company we would be going to court. I really don't know if Monster insures the prize payout for all three wins but if they do there should be a lawsuit. It would be interesting to know what the insurance contract says about a rider pulling over so someone can win the million.

There is no way that they should have to pay that money for an obvious "gift" from Savatgy to Tomac. I am a Tomac fan but his "win" is tainted. He didn't win it, it was given to him.
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milliebays 10/14/2018 7:17am
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milliebays wrote:
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum. all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost...
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum.

all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost out. noone else was going to collect any more money. savage will be taken care of for missing the moto win.

if it makes you feel any better, 25% percent of it will be collected by the feds to prop up inefficient social programs!
Andy_Greenney wrote:
We have already been through this.....it’s either ok or not ok to fix a race, unless you happen to be a fanboy of course, then it’s...
We have already been through this.....it’s either ok or not ok to fix a race, unless you happen to be a fanboy of course, then it’s only ok when ‘your guy’ does it.
So they alll colluded or just his teammate? Just curious.
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Downunder wrote:
This is not the same situation. What Mavin did had the potential to mess with a championship.
Andy_Greenney wrote:
What’s the difference? It all comes down to money in the end
milliebays wrote:
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum. all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost...
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum.

all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost out. noone else was going to collect any more money. savage will be taken care of for missing the moto win.

if it makes you feel any better, 25% percent of it will be collected by the feds to prop up inefficient social programs!
He didnt take shit from anyone, he helped his team Mate gain some. Do i Think its wrong?, yes but tomac should shut up about it in the future from now on.
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gabrielito 10/14/2018 7:38am
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Can you Bet on the MEC? Maybe Savatgy put some chips down on Eli.
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Bramlett321 10/14/2018 7:42am
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colvin227 wrote:
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have...
It’s way different than marv/Dungey it’s astonishing how people are even trying to make that connection. No points or championship on the line, Eli would have won either way. The only difference is they are getting more money from monster, and they changed a kids life....wow so horrible
A lot of it boils down to the shoe being on the other foot. When it was done to Eli he couldn’t see Dungeys side of the situation period, all he saw was someone screwed with his livelihood. Now, he sees how a simple team situation has helped his ass and the “oh that’s how a team works” light has come on!!
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nascarnate326 10/14/2018 7:46am
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Whats the difference between what Tomac just win by Joey helping him vs what Dungey won by Marivn helping him?

about the same?
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YAMATHUMP1 10/14/2018 9:09am
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If you had money betting against ET3 not winning the million would you be happy a rider helped "give" the win to him?

WWE, now we can rig the outcome.
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Webb/Martin 250MX a couple of years ago
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Gods gift to MX is going mad right now -

Eli 1 night 3 races $1 million Dollar -


Herling career : Net Worth, Salary, Cars & Houses
Estimated Net Worth $ 1 million Dollar
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ga_pike 10/15/2018 5:17am
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Should Joey have waved at him and made it so obvious? No. But how often do these guys really do this type on thing? I'm not sure he really knew the best way to handle this without making it obvious. Sure, he could have taken the joker lane early and had a problem, but there was no guarantee that would have worked. Lappers wave guys buy all the time... Fact is, Joey was most likely getting passed no matter what. So instead of risking himself or his teammate, he let him by without incident. No harm, no foul, nothing to see here.
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TDeath21 10/15/2018 5:22am
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gnarwhip wrote:
He would’ve gotten Joey either way. Joeys a dummy for making it so obvious. What a kook.
No he wouldn’t have. Three corners left and it was pretty one lined. He stayed behind Stewart way longer than that and he was much closer to Stewart. All Joey had to do was control the inside.
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TDeath21 10/15/2018 5:24am
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Long as Tomac has the same opinion now, I’m fine with it. Haven’t watched any post race stuff from Saturday so I’m not sure what he said. It’s not Tomac’s fault. What else is he supposed to do if his teammate waves him by? Slow up and say no?
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Aussie_power_sports 10/15/2018 5:51am
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VRR7 wrote:
Gods gift to MX is going mad right now - Eli 1 night 3 races $1 million Dollar - Herling career : Net Worth, Salary, Cars...
Gods gift to MX is going mad right now -

Eli 1 night 3 races $1 million Dollar -


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lol those numbers are way off. Herlings made more than a million just from this year.
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FuzzyLogic 10/15/2018 6:22am
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There is something to be said about the "integrity" of a season long, multiple race, points chasing series. This is not that; this is a one time, off season, exhibition race. The ONLY person this hurt, per say, is Feld, as it will raise the insurance premium they pay each year...as paying out is becoming a more and more likely scenario.

For the record I had no problem with what Marv did for Dungey. I didn't LOVE it, but I completely understand it. I also understand Eli not being pumped about it, but what should he do? This will become hypocritical when Joey moves over for Eli in a late season race to give him 3 more points... and even then couldn't you just call it payback?
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gnarwhip wrote:
He would’ve gotten Joey either way. Joeys a dummy for making it so obvious. What a kook.
TDeath21 wrote:
No he wouldn’t have. Three corners left and it was pretty one lined. He stayed behind Stewart way longer than that and he was much closer...
No he wouldn’t have. Three corners left and it was pretty one lined. He stayed behind Stewart way longer than that and he was much closer to Stewart. All Joey had to do was control the inside.
I'd bulldoze my best friend for a $1,000 prize if it came down to it. No way Tomac doesn't force the issue for $1,000,000
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TDeath21 10/15/2018 6:42am
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gnarwhip wrote:
He would’ve gotten Joey either way. Joeys a dummy for making it so obvious. What a kook.
TDeath21 wrote:
No he wouldn’t have. Three corners left and it was pretty one lined. He stayed behind Stewart way longer than that and he was much closer...
No he wouldn’t have. Three corners left and it was pretty one lined. He stayed behind Stewart way longer than that and he was much closer to Stewart. All Joey had to do was control the inside.
bh84 wrote:
I'd bulldoze my best friend for a $1,000 prize if it came down to it. No way Tomac doesn't force the issue for $1,000,000
Looking at the track layout, I don’t think he’d have a chance to honestly.

Savatgy was in a bad spot though. Despite his great performance last night, he’s probably going to be at best a top ten guy. You do what you have to do to keep your bosses happy when you aren’t a top tier guy. So that’s what he did.

I think if they weren’t teammates that Tomac would not have gotten him.
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Im not even kidding, me and the wife were watching the race and during the second race she said what if Savagty is leading the 3rd race and tomac is behind him you think he will pull over? And I said yeah Tomac will probably throw him $25,000 for it... Then it happened and Jeff said yeah hes probably going to throw him 25 to 50 grand haha But seriously I wasn't a fan of it but it doesnt really bother me... Not nearly as much as it probably pissed off Monster for having to throw out 2 Mill!! The question is will Monster hold it against him come next year and try to talk the team out of re-signing him hahaha
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