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Moto96 9/8/2018 8:18pm
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Js217 wrote:
There it is , fferrandis, musquin and windham/ reed
For Puerto rico. That would raise equal money and possibly also get Puerto rico a mxon win...................................
Moto96 wrote:
Why do you want to ruin the whole point of the MXDN? Do you even know what the MXDN is?
JM485 wrote:
The MXoN is already being ruined by politics, might as well flip the people who are ruining it the bird a little bit. I just picture...
The MXoN is already being ruined by politics, might as well flip the people who are ruining it the bird a little bit.

I just picture these federations as some gathering of pompous assholes with massive egos and an impressive selection of sticks to shove up their rectums as they feel necessary.
You totally missed the point. Do you even know the purpose of the race?
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APLMAN99 9/8/2018 8:55pm
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kaidoddragon wrote:
There you go : "So, I won't go to MXON in one month. Pascal Finot (Team France's manager) told me I am not welcomed inside Team...
There you go :

"So, I won't go to MXON in one month. Pascal Finot (Team France's manager) told me I am not welcomed inside Team France for that competition. Helping, coaching, giving advises to Dylan without being part of Team France, without being there, is not really positive to produce a great work. In a way I can understand and I accept it because I did criticize the choice of riders for the team, or should I say the non-choice concerning Marvin Musquin, who's the best French rider right now.

I think it is sad to see that the differences in opinions is more important than to have the trainer of one of the three riders by his side for this particular race, which is the most important one. There is a lot more to say that "good start, full gas, don't crash" in the coaching of a pro rider, if not anyone could coach Dylan and make him win races like he did this year.

Anyway, I'm grateful mister Bolles (French Federation president and the man who chose the three riders for MXON), mister Finot and Gautier Paulin for another week without doing anything, I'm probably just going to enjoy californian sun or something like that.

Thanks again Mr Finot, who just like always, is just transfering messages and orders from the French Federation. I can see that it is more important to be careerist and follow orders from the boss in the job these days...

And finally thanks Mr Paulin. My hat off to him for being indisputable en being the number 1 rider to the the unofficial breeder. He is the 3rd best French rider at the moment on a 450. To the eyes of most of us, he is the 1st on the paper, yeah, the 1st reservist. Bravo.

And the worst in this story is that they have high chances of victory by surfing on this success wave they've had the last few years in this competition. I never said they can't win without Marvin but that would have been less difficult with him, clear and simple.

For my part, I'm gonna do the maximum to prepare the MX2 rider of the team and so that he ends up being the first 250 in both races. Unlike some people, I don't care about the emotionnal and the ego side of things in the business to have the better result. I can understand everybody can't think that way. Clearly..."
David Vuillemin on his FB page.
That seems to contain quite a bit of ego and emotion......
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APLMAN99 9/8/2018 8:57pm
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Moto96 wrote:
Why do you want to ruin the whole point of the MXDN? Do you even know what the MXDN is?
JM485 wrote:
The MXoN is already being ruined by politics, might as well flip the people who are ruining it the bird a little bit. I just picture...
The MXoN is already being ruined by politics, might as well flip the people who are ruining it the bird a little bit.

I just picture these federations as some gathering of pompous assholes with massive egos and an impressive selection of sticks to shove up their rectums as they feel necessary.
Moto96 wrote:
You totally missed the point. Do you even know the purpose of the race?
How are you doing premixjunky/mortgagepaul/asimo/100sofotherusernames?

The purpose of the race is for the sanctioning body/MXGP series promoter to make money.
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smee113 9/8/2018 11:01pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Seriously.....what is the beef with these guy's? First no Marv , and now they won't even let David in the paddock to help coach his rider...
Seriously.....what is the beef with these guy's? First no Marv , and now they won't even let David in the paddock to help coach his rider? But they'll let the other coach's in? From where I stand......if any French guy has anything to do with the American series , consider yourself black listed. I've dug every one of the French rider's that have come over here , so no disrespect toward's them......but fuck that country and the way it thinks.
That's seriously over-reaching. Why punish the country as a whole because of the actions of the FFM?
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CalimeroFan 9/8/2018 11:22pm
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500guy wrote:
Seems like Ferrandis is a bit of a coward for not demanding his coach be part of his race day ? Let the Federation boss race...
Seems like Ferrandis is a bit of a coward for not demanding his coach be part of his race day ?

Let the Federation boss race if He wants to pick rider personell, what if DV was his Mechanic ?
First thing I was thinking of. He is the only decent French 250 rider, he should step up and demand his trainer to help him at the MXdN or step out of the team.
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Juss72 9/8/2018 11:43pm
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Sure don't pick the guy that went 1-1 at Red Bud this year. Pick two guys who have never ran a lap there, & could not run Marves pace. That is so fucking dumb.
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jo2910 9/9/2018 12:02am
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As French myself it all sounds like a big fuck up. I’m surprised he singled out Paulin more than anything as they used to be buddies. If you read through the lines it seems like Paulin didn’t like his comments on Marv non selection and used his influence as “captain” to say he doesn’t want him under the tent.

One thing to note is that the last few years France has done it differently by having all the riders under one tent and really pushing for the “team” aspect. Pushing for cohesion between riders like in other sport like soccer rather than just picking the 3 fastest guys. They are problably also copying other sports where the national team has its own coaching staff and each player don’t bring its own coach. Especially DV with his strong opinions and ego might walk in that tent while Finot is giving his pep talk or strategy and tell him to STFU and that he doesn’t know shit. Last few years have given them reason so we will see but MX is not Soccer...

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crusty_xx 9/9/2018 3:56am
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agn5009 wrote:
While I mostly agree with DV, I don't know why he's calling out Paulin. Unless there's more to the story, I don't get why it's his...
While I mostly agree with DV, I don't know why he's calling out Paulin. Unless there's more to the story, I don't get why it's his fault. Is Paulin supposed to say no to racing the event because he isn't riding as well as Musquin? That doesn't seem fair.
63mark wrote:
Since it's a team effort which supposedly going for the win for France.... I think he should have said no!
agn5009 wrote:
That's just bull shit. Paulin has helped his team win what, 4 in a row? It's not his duty to say no to racing the event...
That's just bull shit. Paulin has helped his team win what, 4 in a row? It's not his duty to say no to racing the event. It's the French federations duty to pick the best riders. He got asked to go, to lost guys it's a huge honor so he said yes. Don't place blame on Paulin unless there's more to the story than what we're being told.
Yeah and who knows if Paulin says know they might pick Xavier boog or someone else...
Langston_fan 9/9/2018 4:00am
9/9/2018 4:00am
Man this whole thing pisses me off cause we the fans are robbed of what would've been a team competition between France and the USA. Now i think the only interesting thing left to watch is the Herlings Tomac match up..and how all the individual performances compare....
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kkawboy14 9/9/2018 4:15am
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Fernandis could say I’m not going if DV can’t go!
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make1go 9/9/2018 4:37am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Fernandis could say I’m not going if DV can’t go!
and then be black listed forever?

which would, by all acvounts, how it would play out...

if i were a french fan id be bombarding that officials emails/sm accs

and calling for his resignation..
smashingpumpkins167 9/9/2018 4:42am
9/9/2018 4:42am
Maybe they are going to have Marvin come on as coach instead. He does have more experience at Red Bud than the whole team combined.
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GODZILLA 9/9/2018 5:45am
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yak651 wrote:
It's a BS move to not allow DV there with his rider, but for DV to say he has no ego Laughing
The man who can keep his ego under control for the greater good of France sells this shirt...
No ego problems, yeah right.
Laughing


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GODZILLA 9/9/2018 5:55am
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MotoMo165 wrote:
The French team won’t be winning again. And this French team manager or boss or whoever it is sounds like a pussy. He’s that offended, or...
The French team won’t be winning again. And this French team manager or boss or whoever it is sounds like a pussy. He’s that offended, or bitter at DV. What a bitch
Some guy who has the guts to say "You're not welcome" is a pussy?
DV said loud and clear what he thinks about the french federation, no problem.
But then all of a sudden the free spirit media consultant puts his coach hat back on and the guys he covered with poop should welcome him with open arms so he can come and teach them their job, as usual?
Let's be serious...
He has nothing to do under the french awning.
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GODZILLA 9/9/2018 5:58am
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feelit2morrow wrote:
French MXON team reminds me of a 7th grade girls lunch table.
I know the feeling.
That's the one I get whenever I take a look at US politics, these days.
I guess nothing's ever perfect in this world.
Wink
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MotoMo165 9/9/2018 7:49am
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feelit2morrow wrote:
French MXON team reminds me of a 7th grade girls lunch table.
GODZILLA wrote:
I know the feeling. That's the one I get whenever I take a look at US politics, these days. I guess nothing's ever perfect in this...
I know the feeling.
That's the one I get whenever I take a look at US politics, these days.
I guess nothing's ever perfect in this world.
Wink
While I agree But US#1
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KDXGarage 9/9/2018 7:52am
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feelit2morrow wrote:
French MXON team reminds me of a 7th grade girls lunch table.
GODZILLA wrote:
I know the feeling. That's the one I get whenever I take a look at US politics, these days. I guess nothing's ever perfect in this...
I know the feeling.
That's the one I get whenever I take a look at US politics, these days.
I guess nothing's ever perfect in this world.
Wink
Please don't be a thread ender by bringing up politics. The moderators treat it as a no-go zone. Wink
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Ramrod 9/9/2018 7:59am
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I don't get this whole argument and hate for the French Federation. Paulin has been an absolute stud for this team and steps up his game for this race, the rest of the guys are very good picks too.

I do agree Marvin would be a fantastic pick for this team.

But what if Tomac for instance talked bad about the US mxdn team or the powers that be, the team should suck it up and pick him anyways? French team is taking a stand and if you are against them you are out, it's simple. Fair, no.
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GODZILLA 9/9/2018 8:09am
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Please don't be a thread ender by bringing up politics. The moderators treat it as a no-go zone. Wink
I promess I won't tread any farther on this pass.
Wink
But trust me, this whole french selection story is all about politics, grudges and people who don't like each other.
Not about sports or raw speed on a bike.
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MotoMo165 9/9/2018 8:16am
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Ramrod wrote:
I don't get this whole argument and hate for the French Federation. Paulin has been an absolute stud for this team and steps up his game...
I don't get this whole argument and hate for the French Federation. Paulin has been an absolute stud for this team and steps up his game for this race, the rest of the guys are very good picks too.

I do agree Marvin would be a fantastic pick for this team.

But what if Tomac for instance talked bad about the US mxdn team or the powers that be, the team should suck it up and pick him anyways? French team is taking a stand and if you are against them you are out, it's simple. Fair, no.
Did Musquin ever say anything bad about the French Federation? Your example is backwards bro, maybe you meant to type “tomacs trainer” in your hypothetical
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make1go 9/9/2018 8:17am
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GODZILLA wrote:
I promess I won't tread any farther on this pass. ;) But trust me, this whole french selection story is all about politics, grudges and people...
I promess I won't tread any farther on this pass.
Wink
But trust me, this whole french selection story is all about politics, grudges and people who don't like each other.
Not about sports or raw speed on a bike.
no shit sherlock
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KennyT 9/9/2018 8:18am
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jo2910 wrote:
As French myself it all sounds like a big fuck up. I’m surprised he singled out Paulin more than anything as they used to be buddies...
As French myself it all sounds like a big fuck up. I’m surprised he singled out Paulin more than anything as they used to be buddies. If you read through the lines it seems like Paulin didn’t like his comments on Marv non selection and used his influence as “captain” to say he doesn’t want him under the tent.

One thing to note is that the last few years France has done it differently by having all the riders under one tent and really pushing for the “team” aspect. Pushing for cohesion between riders like in other sport like soccer rather than just picking the 3 fastest guys. They are problably also copying other sports where the national team has its own coaching staff and each player don’t bring its own coach. Especially DV with his strong opinions and ego might walk in that tent while Finot is giving his pep talk or strategy and tell him to STFU and that he doesn’t know shit. Last few years have given them reason so we will see but MX is not Soccer...

I agree with this.
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TymeMoto 9/9/2018 8:26am
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I love DV
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crockett 9/9/2018 8:33am
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If you are the head of a team event, and one of your riders trainers bad talked your decisions in the public eye, you telling me you are still going to allow him to waltz into your pits?
Let's not forget DV doesn't go to all of ferrandis' races, so DV can not claim that is the whole key to success.
I think DV is great, but if I was running that team, or a business and someone publicly undermined my decision making, I'd tell them they aren't welcome to the big day either.
Isn't that what this thread is about, not whether or not Marvin should be on the team, there's enough of those threads already
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Forty 9/9/2018 8:34am
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I’m sure we don’t have the entire story.
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Moto96 9/9/2018 8:41am
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DV should go and just talk to him by the hot dog stand.

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jeffro503 9/9/2018 8:41am
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jeffro503 wrote:
Seriously.....what is the beef with these guy's? First no Marv , and now they won't even let David in the paddock to help coach his rider...
Seriously.....what is the beef with these guy's? First no Marv , and now they won't even let David in the paddock to help coach his rider? But they'll let the other coach's in? From where I stand......if any French guy has anything to do with the American series , consider yourself black listed. I've dug every one of the French rider's that have come over here , so no disrespect toward's them......but fuck that country and the way it thinks.
smee113 wrote:
That's seriously over-reaching. Why punish the country as a whole because of the actions of the FFM?
Maybe I shouldn't have said " Country ".........more of the French team politic's and the GL for the way they run thing's. When I said Country......this is more of what I meant. Not every day citizen's.
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GODZILLA 9/9/2018 8:58am
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make1go wrote:
no shit sherlock
Then if it's clear to everyone, maybe we'll stop reading so many "I don't get why they didn't chose Marv" posts.
Wink

McArthur, Franck Underwood (portrayed by Kevin Spacey) was a liar, cheater, crook, murderer and... President of the USA.
Fictional character, of course, lol.
And a very flattering comparaison for Paulin.
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kkawboy14 9/9/2018 9:50am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Fernandis could say I’m not going if DV can’t go!
make1go wrote:
and then be black listed forever? which would, by all acvounts, how it would play out... if i were a french fan id be bombarding that...
and then be black listed forever?

which would, by all acvounts, how it would play out...

if i were a french fan id be bombarding that officials emails/sm accs

and calling for his resignation..
Well look what they did to Marvin and Dv....I wouldn’t want to ride for that kind of politics, in a political event
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GODZILLA 9/9/2018 10:22am
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The french federation president won't resign: he's finishing his last term and will soon be gone.
Right now, he probably couldn't care less what his opponents think.
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