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It's almost like coming along 20 or 30 years from now and saying Ricky Carmichael didn't win all those Motocross and Supercross championships. There is no way a short pudgy dude like that could have achieved all that. Then going up to Ricky and questioning whether it was really him on that bike. Millions of people watched him do it and his team would have had to be in on it. Not to mention his team is far smaller than the team that sent the men to the moon.
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That's how I feel about flat earthers. I am like, "who is profiting off this so called big lie that the earth is flat, what's the point of this big secret?"
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I'm surprised more of the guys he stalked didn't do that to him. The OP thinks that the guys he thrust the microphone at acted "bizarre"...
I'm surprised more of the guys he stalked didn't do that to him. The OP thinks that the guys he thrust the microphone at acted "bizarre". They actually acted far nicer and calmer than most of us would. If someone came up to me with cameras in tow and demanded that I swear to my name on a Bible, I'd probably treat it like a lunatic was accosting me. Which he is, and was........
Problem is that he didnt do that. He was having full on interviews with these guys, which were perfectly normal, until he mentioned the footage that he had.
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It's crazy to think that they didn't go to the moon. What they found when they got there is the real conspiracy.
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There isn't anybody I know that is lame enough to really think it was a hoax so why do people bring this stupid assed shit up? It's gotta be because they like dragging people around by the nostrils. I don't care what kind of evidence you provide to disabuse them of their asinine assertions, all you will get back is a mongoloid stare and another lame yeahbut.






Sorry, I'm pissed off because I just lost 2 hours worth of fucking design work in CAD. I had to lash out at somebody. Time for a beer. Fuck I'm pissed.
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9/3/2018 7:48pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2018 7:59pm
m121c wrote:
Its not that they couldn’t lie, it’s the logistics of faking the moon landing(s) that I find the hardest to believe. Governments can’t build a functioning...
Its not that they couldn’t lie, it’s the logistics of faking the moon landing(s) that I find the hardest to believe.

Governments can’t build a functioning healthcare website for a few small payments of hundreds of millions of dollars. You think they could do a cover up to this magnitude and stay committed to it for decades? Thats some real trust in government lol.
Think about your reasoning for a minute, they can't build a functioning healthcare website but they can go to the moon?

Now i am not saying it didn't happen, but again I don't understand why it is such an impossible idea either. Why do people defend it so vehemently, and poorly i might add (mostly straw-men, name calling, belittling and such)? The government (nearly all governments) have told some big lies throughout history for one reason or another. To admit that fact does not make you a "crazy conspiracy theorist"

They certainly have had the funding to handle the logistics of faking it, nor did it have to be a huge conspiracy involving 1,000s of people. With that kind of money I bet you could even fool the astronauts into thinking they were actually on the moon (Ascension like) if they had wanted to take it that far.

Consider this. What if everyone involved was truly working to get to the moon, they are nostrils deep in the project(and the entire country is passionately invested as well) when it is realized and discovered that they can not get a manned crew through the van allen belts safely. Now who wants to tell the public that we give up in a time where nothing is impossible? (Kubrick line 2) Just save face, beat the Russians and figure it out later. Perhaps later never came? And you better believe that if such a lie took place the commitment to keep it would be full on. Gus Grissom publicly stated they were no where near ready to go to the moon a few weeks later he was dead.

Additionally who says they have been able to keep it covered up? We are talking about it and the the chili peppers told us back in 99:
Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
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borg wrote:
There isn't anybody I know that is lame enough to really think it was a hoax so why do people bring this stupid assed shit up...
There isn't anybody I know that is lame enough to really think it was a hoax so why do people bring this stupid assed shit up? It's gotta be because they like dragging people around by the nostrils. I don't care what kind of evidence you provide to disabuse them of their asinine assertions, all you will get back is a mongoloid stare and another lame yeahbut.






Sorry, I'm pissed off because I just lost 2 hours worth of fucking design work in CAD. I had to lash out at somebody. Time for a beer. Fuck I'm pissed.
My mechanical engineering prof. for CAD (graphics and design) had the class hand draw 10-15 things every week for HW, and then eventually we got to use CAD on computers. Class was hell. I feel your pain
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We used to see my Dad on tv in Houston, he worked on the X-15 and Apollo projects. If The moon landing was a hoax it was pretty elaborate. He used to bring us home cool souvenirs from work (although my favorite were the little plastic monkeys and mermaids that held the olives in his Martinis) Laughing We have a lot of pictures of the earth from space and some other cool stuff. I have a piece of the heat shield somewhere. Here’s a picture of the replica lunar landing plaque, and a signed picture of some of the crew from the X-15 project. Neil Armstrong is the 2nd from the right.
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In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them "The Greatest Generation".
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I'm just amazed they could pull it off with the technology they had.
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In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them...
In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them "The Greatest Generation".
Plus all that shit happened before fake news Laughing
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And one for the ISS
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Yeah, I was there.

I'd go back. Wink
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/09/03/284977/s1200_moon_landing_hoax.jpg[/img]

Man, they were so close in that photo. Too bad they forgot the trail of pawprints.
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GuyB wrote:
Yeah, I was there.

I'd go back. Wink
If only you'd have done your job and taken the pictures instead of
standing around watching, this could have been settled long ago. Laughing
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gabrielito wrote:
In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them...
In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them "The Greatest Generation".
Asking questions is not disrespectful. In fact it's good to constantly re-analyze things with a fresher perspective. It's amazing that people get so offended.
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GuyB wrote:
Yeah, I was there.

I'd go back. Wink
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If only you'd have done your job and taken the pictures instead of
standing around watching, this could have been settled long ago. Laughing
That looks like Ocotillo Wells to me...
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gabrielito wrote:
In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them...
In all seriousness, it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked on this. Winning the space race is a huge part of why we consider them "The Greatest Generation".
NorCal 50+ wrote:
Asking questions is not disrespectful. In fact it's good to constantly re-analyze things with a fresher perspective. It's amazing that people get so offended.
Asking questions isn't always disrespectful, but it certainly can be. If I ask you when you stopped beating your wife, that'd probably be considered a little bit disrespectful by most.

But really, this isn't about asking questions, it's about refusing to believe facts and accusing others of lying. Deep down most of the tin foil hat wearing folks are a lot like the guy that Aldrin popped in the jaw, but they aren't trying to use their ignorance as an income source. Yet.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I'm surprised more of the guys he stalked didn't do that to him. The OP thinks that the guys he thrust the microphone at acted "bizarre"...
I'm surprised more of the guys he stalked didn't do that to him. The OP thinks that the guys he thrust the microphone at acted "bizarre". They actually acted far nicer and calmer than most of us would. If someone came up to me with cameras in tow and demanded that I swear to my name on a Bible, I'd probably treat it like a lunatic was accosting me. Which he is, and was........
rmoto003 wrote:
Problem is that he didnt do that. He was having full on interviews with these guys, which were perfectly normal, until he mentioned the footage that...
Problem is that he didnt do that. He was having full on interviews with these guys, which were perfectly normal, until he mentioned the footage that he had.
No, he manipulated them into a position then went full nutso on them. Aldrin was a good example. The filmmaker lied about his true intentions and Aldrin was told that he'd be doing an interview for a children's science show. After he left the scam "interview", the dumbass filmmaker ambushed him at the entrance to the building. Then got his ass beat by an old man!
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GuyB wrote:
Yeah, I was there.

I'd go back. Wink
So from your perspective is the Earth round or flat? I mean you should have the answer, you had the best vantage point anyone could ask for. Laughing
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So from your perspective is the Earth round or flat? I mean you should have the answer, you had the best vantage point anyone could ask...
So from your perspective is the Earth round or flat? I mean you should have the answer, you had the best vantage point anyone could ask for. Laughing
I think the earth is f...ull of people who are easily led into believing some incredibly dumb conspiracy theories. Wink
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They went there all those times and brought back nothing but rocks....all that delicious cheese and they bring back rocks. They couldn't all be lactose intolerant.
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They went there all those times and brought back nothing but rocks....all that delicious cheese and they bring back rocks. They couldn't all be lactose intolerant.
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Im not saying we never put stuff on the moon. Sending stuff there doesnt seem to be an issue. The fact that there is stuff on...
Im not saying we never put stuff on the moon. Sending stuff there doesnt seem to be an issue. The fact that there is stuff on the moon doesnt really affect my opinion. We put a rover on mars but humans havnt been to mars... Sooo....


Anyway, a few aspects that I find interesting.

1) We dont have the original telemetry data from the missions. Apparently we were "running low" on magnetic reel tape at some point, and then recycled the moon landing tapes. We taped over the moon landing tapes. Ok, sure. Only mankinds greatest achivement. Yea, tape over that.

2) Nasa now claims they dont have the technology to make it through the Van Allen belts... They HAD it in 1969, but it was "destroyed" and would be too hard to remake. Ummm... Ok? That makes no sense.

3) The international space station is about 250 ish miles away from the earths surface. The US, China, and Russia havnt sent any manned space missions past about ~350 miles.... Since the moon landings. How far away is the moon? ~238,000 miles!!! Youre telling me no one in the world has made it out of low earth orbit since the "moon landings," yet in 1969 we just breezed right out there so easily we did it 6 times? Come on now.

4) plenty of photographic stuff, but what gets me is the damn lunar lander. It looks to be held together by staples and tape!! "Oh you dummy, thats special nasa space tape!" Plus, there is no evidence of any disturbance of the surface from the blast of the landing rocket. Surely a 10,000 lb rocket would make at least a pattern in the dust, right? Nope, but the footprints are clear as day.

5) The seeming ease in which we did it. I dont think in the history of technology has a flying craft worked on the first try. Yet the lunar lander seemed to work perfectly. Even blasting off from the lunar surface and mating up with an orbiter traveling at 4,000 mph, perfectly, every time. Yet even today, Nasa has had all kinds of failures doing what should be simple missions of sending supplies into low earth orbit. But in 1969 they were just so on top of it that they were able to get all of that crap perfect?

6) Footage of the apollo 11 astronauts faking a video of them being halfway to the moon. It was either accidentally or intentionally sent to the reporter, but its a video of them holding a camera a few feet from a circular window in low earth orbit, in doing so, makes the earth look like a small ball when the lights are out in the craft. As the lights come back on, its obvious they are in low earth orbit. Why the trickery?

7) they occured during the nixon administration, an administration not known for being truthful.


Im not saying everything about the moon landings is fake. My guess is that they sent guys up into low earth orbit, had them orbit the earth for a few days, then splash down when the mission was over. Nasa had a small satellite in space to simulate them recieving signals from apollo, which conveniently "crashed into the pacific" a few days before the missions. Im gonna assume they simply fed the control room guys more simulated data so they werent in on it, and only the tiipy top people knew what was actually going on.

As far as russia, how do we know they actually tracked apollo? Its far more likely that we sent something to the moon for them to track, just without any humans in it. And maybe they do know we faked it, and are using it as blackmail against the US for trade deals and what not.

All im posing is that you take a non-judgemental look at the fact that it could have been faked instead of reverting to God-worship of Nasa and the astronauts, and condeming me to idiocy for looking into it. Like I said, Im not a dumb person, and I did stumble onto it through those dumb conspiracy videos, but what I found was pretty hard for me to ignore.
I'm going to try and handle with with kid gloves. To give you some background I have worked for the space program in one form or another for about 5 years. I started with SpaceX, contracted for NASA, and currently work for Boeing as the prime contractor building their new Space Launch System rocket family for a return to deep space missions.

Anyway, a few aspects that I find interesting.

1) We dont have the original telemetry data from the missions. Apparently we were "running low" on magnetic reel tape at some point, and then recycled the moon landing tapes. We taped over the moon landing tapes. Ok, sure. Only mankinds greatest achivement. Yea, tape over that.


Okay, telemetry data and video recordings are two very different things. We have every bit of telemetry data from Apollo because it came back on the capsule flight recorder. The TV footage was archived and eventually lost or destroyed along with hundreds of thousands of other reels archived.

2) Nasa now claims they dont have the technology to make it through the Van Allen belts... They HAD it in 1969, but it was "destroyed" and would be too hard to remake. Ummm... Ok? That makes no sense.

You're right, it makes no sense because it's completely untrue. If it sounds stupid it often is. NASA-hoaxers love to point out a video made on SLS and specifically Orion capsule development. In the video he talks about how difficult it is to shield against radiation in the Van Allen Belts. When we went to the moon in the 60s with did it with mechanical and analog everything. Now all our flight hardware and avionics are digital. Research on the ISS has proven digital components have a rough time in space. Weird shit happens. When you put digital components under higher radiation loads in deep space things get more complicated. But don't kid yourself, we send shit through the Van Allen Belts on the regular. Any satellite that goes into geosync orbit goes through that barrier and exists in deep space. Satellites are much less complicated and don't have to support human life so we can make them robust to survive. Putting a very complicated digital driven capsule up in space is still a relative unknown, especially for the 9+ month journey to Mars.

3) The international space station is about 250 ish miles away from the earths surface. The US, China, and Russia havnt sent any manned space missions past about ~350 miles.... Since the moon landings. How far away is the moon? ~238,000 miles!!! Youre telling me no one in the world has made it out of low earth orbit since the "moon landings," yet in 1969 we just breezed right out there so easily we did it 6 times? Come on now.

Once again you're not seeing a separation between manned and un-manned space flight. To put a man in space makes things almost infinitely more complicated and expensive. As NASA's budget dried up they decided to invest in robotic explorers instead of human. People don't realize until the 70s when the Voyager probes went deep into the solar system we knew almost squat about out planetary neighbors. We had nothing but fuzzy pictures of everything out there. Robots are cheap to build and it allowed NASA to expand beyond the moon. We have gone beyond LEO with a couple dozen robotic missions including setting a rover the size of an SUV down on Mars. You can do that for about 1.5 billion. It's going to cost well over 10 billion to put people back out into deep space because we're designing from the ground up with current day components. Shit we don't have data for. Everything has to be tested and tested again because NASA can NOT kill anymore people and hope to keep funding. Also don't forget the Apollo program absorbed 100% of the NASA budget at the time. Now manned space flight only accounts for about 15% of their yearly budget.

4) plenty of photographic stuff, but what gets me is the damn lunar lander. It looks to be held together by staples and tape!! "Oh you dummy, thats special nasa space tape!" Plus, there is no evidence of any disturbance of the surface from the blast of the landing rocket. Surely a 10,000 lb rocket would make at least a pattern in the dust, right? Nope, but the footprints are clear as day.

Here's where people really have problems understanding things beyond their scope of experience. You have no idea how things react in vacuum or in 1/6th Earth's gravity. You try and understand the things you see with a brain trained for atmospheric resistance and an Earth-based understanding of gravity. The lander didn't weigh anything near 10k when it set down, and only the upper half ascends back to orbit. It takes very little to get out of the moon's gravity well. A well built catapult could launch something hundreds of miles across the surface. Dust blew up when they landed, dust blew up when they took off. The footage makes it super fuzzy but it didn't take nearly the effort to leave the moon as it did Earth.

5) The seeming ease in which we did it. I dont think in the history of technology has a flying craft worked on the first try. Yet the lunar lander seemed to work perfectly. Even blasting off from the lunar surface and mating up with an orbiter traveling at 4,000 mph, perfectly, every time. Yet even today, Nasa has had all kinds of failures doing what should be simple missions of sending supplies into low earth orbit. But in 1969 they were just so on top of it that they were able to get all of that crap perfect?

Okay.. you're giving me a headache here. You're looking at the world of space travel through beer goggles. First it wasn't easy. It took almost 10 years of constant dedicated work from over 500,000 people and dozens of companies. They had an almost unlimited budget especially by today's standards. And they still killed 3 people before even getting off the ground. For 10 years the entirety of NASA was focused on a single goal. Every dollar and man hour was spent solving the complex problems you deem simple. Millions of man hours, hundreds of thousands of engineers. Half a million people. That's what it took to make it look simple, even then it wasn't. If you watch footage of the first lunar landing Buzz and Armstrong almost ran out of fuel. Apollo 13 nearly killed its crew. Lots of things went wrong, almost none of it was perfect.

Second, your comment about NASA blowing shit up shows you don't have the slightest idea how access to space works currently. NASA flies manned missions. They haven't flown a single thing beyond the atmosphere since the shuttle was decommissioned in 2011. We have access to space through private companies now. SpaceX, Orbital ATK, ULA, and the like do all the flying you see right now. NASA contracts these companies who build their own rockets to launch payloads or resupply the space station. NASA proper won't fly anything until the SLS goes to the launch pad in 2020.

6) Footage of the apollo 11 astronauts faking a video of them being halfway to the moon. It was either accidentally or intentionally sent to the reporter, but its a video of them holding a camera a few feet from a circular window in low earth orbit, in doing so, makes the earth look like a small ball when the lights are out in the craft. As the lights come back on, its obvious they are in low earth orbit. Why the trickery?

You're going to have to give me a credible source on this, something besides a Youtube conspiracy video. I've never heard of this claim but it sounds stupid. As I mentioned, if it sounds stupid that's because it is. Made up by someone who didn't understand what they were looking at.

7) they occured during the nixon administration, an administration not known for being truthful.

That's the only logical conspiracy theory I've heard about Apollo yet.

In short I can tell you we've put people on the moon, we've put Voyager beyond the solar system, we landed a probe on Titan, we put an SUV sized rover on Mars, and we will do much more in the future. Space is the hardest thing out there and for a long time funding has been almost nothing. NASA occupies .5% of the federal budget. In comparison the military gets 25%. Things happen slow when funding is tight.
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Yeah i don't know how everybody overlooked the chili peppers.

In all honestly i just think its a fun conversation, not sure why some people get Sooo.. upset about it. I guess i get it when you have a jerk like the guy interviewing the astronauts, but the op is not being offensive in that way, although some of the people responding in this thread certainly are. Its not a good look. I suppose its a bit more of a generational reaction? Like I said before i can't really say one way or the other, but i do remember having doubts about it long before youtube or the internet. Maybe that just means i was/am uninformed, but i don't think it warrants ridicule? Its odd how some things are not allowed to be questioned within our culture, while other things are not allowed to even be considered. Its a bit of a cynical attitude.
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Yeah i don't know how everybody overlooked the chili peppers. In all honestly i just think its a fun conversation, not sure why some people get...
Yeah i don't know how everybody overlooked the chili peppers.

In all honestly i just think its a fun conversation, not sure why some people get Sooo.. upset about it. I guess i get it when you have a jerk like the guy interviewing the astronauts, but the op is not being offensive in that way, although some of the people responding in this thread certainly are. Its not a good look. I suppose its a bit more of a generational reaction? Like I said before i can't really say one way or the other, but i do remember having doubts about it long before youtube or the internet. Maybe that just means i was/am uninformed, but i don't think it warrants ridicule? Its odd how some things are not allowed to be questioned within our culture, while other things are not allowed to even be considered. Its a bit of a cynical attitude.
My issue is most arguments are not based in logic or even common sense. They are stupidity paraded as fact with the person spouting it in relative confidence. For instance it's a hoax because no photo shows stars. Well even an amateur photographer can explain to you the difference between short and long exposure shots and how they affect distant light like stars. You can prove this to yourself with your cell phone camera.

The OP claims the launches were real but the guys just stayed in orbit until splash down. Well.. that's great but even amateur astronomers with a Walmart telescope can track the capsule. You can track the ISS with the naked eye. If it never left orbit an entire community would have been in an uproar the instant Apollo 8 claimed to have left orbit, nevermind 11 or any mission after.

Pretty much every conspiracy theory I run across is entirely down to a basic misunderstanding of the world around the person claiming it. And it's often complimented by a complete lack of interest in doing research to prove or disprove their point. Conspiracy is now like a disease that kills independent thought. It starts with JFK, Apollo, and now leads into the ever more ridiculous like flat Earth.
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