YZ250 2013 Piston Options

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Hey Guys -

I'm coming up on 20hrs and want to rebuild my top end on my YZ250.

Which piston kit do I use? I see B and C pistons and curious how I'm supposed to know which ones to go for?

Help?

Thanks!
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I put a Vertex in my bike last season and have been happy with it. There are pros and cons going cast vs forged, forged are usually a looser fit to make up for thermal expansion which can cause a cold seize if you're negligent. Cast tends to be a little heavier than the forged counterparts which helps with wheelspin and traction. All of these are obviously very small nit picks. KTM's come stock with Vertex if that affects your decision at all.
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If I remember - the different letters are different sizes to get the best fit possible?
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MB109 wrote:
If I remember - the different letters are different sizes to get the best fit possible?
Correct. There is a letter on the cylinder that denotes the size. You get the piston to match it for the best fit.



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I am just doing a new top end on my '09 and will be putting a new D piston into my C cylinder. I am told it's no big deal as the difference is so little. Supposedly tuners do this to make it a hair tighter.

Anyone heard differently on this?

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20 hours?
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4/17/2016 9:36pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:38pm
ginger969 wrote:
Hey Guys - I'm coming up on 20hrs and want to rebuild my top end on my YZ250. Which piston kit do I use? I see...
Hey Guys -

I'm coming up on 20hrs and want to rebuild my top end on my YZ250.

Which piston kit do I use? I see B and C pistons and curious how I'm supposed to know which ones to go for?

Help?

Thanks!
Hcallz5's comments are correct in my opinion; there are advantages and disadvantages to both forged and cast.

Changing the piston at 20 hours on a 250 is pretty uncommon unless you are very fast and wringing it's neck. Good on you for doing good maintenance with an hour meter though...

If you run the cast pistons in a YZ250 for too long, the skirt will start cracking on each side of the intake skirt diagonally inward and up. Compression testing is not a good indicator of piston condition at all.

Personally I like to run the Wiseco forged, but that's not for everyone. They will not crack, but if you don't warm them up properly you can get some seize marks on the skirts. On the up-side, in a catastrophic engine failure there is a lower chance of piston fragments going through the engine. It can mean the difference between a simple melt-down and broken castings.

I know Vertex makes a good cast piston.

If you run a stock piston, Don't get too hung up on the bore tolerence codes. If you want the best fit you need to mic the cylinder bore properly and order the letter that fits. After a number of hours (depends on how you ride, what oil, jetting, other factors / etc) your bore isn't A or B or C or D any more. Often times there is enough initial wear to run a D piston in your used cylinder and still be in spec on piston clearance.

All of the good quality name-brand pistons will survive well beyond 20 hours without any trouble. I would suggest staying away from the Chinese and Tiawanese stuff like Namura. The casting quality is questionable and the $10 you saved might cost you a $400 cylinder or $500 crank-case.

Depending on how hard you ride, consider buying a wrist-pin & bearing for at least every-other piston. It will extend the life of your connecting rod.
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Hmm I've been thinking about this too..

I bought my '15 yz250 in the end of December. I hit 20hrs last weekend. I wring it out alot..

Just rings or piston kit?
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I would be just doing rings at 20 hours. I always worked on 20-25 hours for rings and a piston every second set of rings on the 250. 125's were 12-15 hours on rings and piston every second set of rings. Didn't blow a top end for years
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Tony Berluti told me to do a top end at 50hrs.
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Used a few brands and settled on Vertex based on quality with very few horror stories and readily available at a good price. They're well made and run better than stock in the YZ125, I imagine the performance difference is less noticeable on the 250 though.

Measure your cylinder & get the correct size. Also measure ring gap when installing, although never had to change it on any yam top end.
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50 hours if you run A pace on sand tracks. I pulled mine down at 25 hours and it was beautiful. Amsoil dominator at 50-1. Race woods in A class and only practice moto.
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MotoGuido wrote:
Hmm I've been thinking about this too.. I bought my '15 yz250 in the end of December. I hit 20hrs last weekend. I wring it out...
Hmm I've been thinking about this too..

I bought my '15 yz250 in the end of December. I hit 20hrs last weekend. I wring it out alot..

Just rings or piston kit?
Do the rings if and only if the end-gap is close to the .022" maximum spec. Make sure you square them up in the cylinder with the piston about half-way between the exhaust port and the top of the bore.

In my opinion, the pistons wear out long before the rings in these bikes; hence my comment above about compression being a bad indicator of top-end condition. The piston is garbage long before you lose compression.
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I've always run a forged piston in my two strokes. Never have to worry about exploding skirts.....just have to warm it up for a few minutes
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How many hours can you go? It depends so much on how you ride and where you ride...

Gaskets are cheap. Buy a spare PV linkage cover gasket and a spare cylinder base gasket when you get your next top-end kit. When you hit 20 hours, pull the cylinder and have someone who knows what they're doing mic the piston (with a micrometer, not a dial caliper). Have them mic the cylinder bore and you'll know where you're at for clearance.

If the engine is within service limits in the manual, put it back together (with your spare gaskets) and ride another 10 or 20 hours. Now check it all again.

You'll begin to figure out how much time you can put on a top end under YOUR conditions.
So many factors come into play in top-end life. What oil and ratio, what speed are you, where do you ride, how good are you about filter maintenance, etc.

A national level pro on a deep sand track with outboard oil at 50:1 might get 10 hours out of a piston/rings.
A beginner in tight single track at 32:1 might honestly get 200 hours out of a piston/rings while leaving an oil-spooge trail on the ground for miles.
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Thanks for all the tips! appreciate it
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race wrote:
I am just doing a new top end on my '09 and will be putting a new D piston into my C cylinder. I am told...
I am just doing a new top end on my '09 and will be putting a new D piston into my C cylinder. I am told it's no big deal as the difference is so little. Supposedly tuners do this to make it a hair tighter.

Anyone heard differently on this?

Just be sure to warm up the engine till heat is in the radiator,that way the cylinder is warming and expanding.

The piston expands really quick and could get tight if the cylinder is still cold.

I did the tight piston in my bike all the time.

And I always used cast pistons,it is softer and wears instead of wearing the cylinder coating.

No hours idea,I just pull the pipe and look at the skirt and the port print left from wear to decide when to put in a fresh one.
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cwtoyota wrote:
How many hours can you go? It depends so much on how you ride and where you ride... Gaskets are cheap. Buy a spare PV linkage...
How many hours can you go? It depends so much on how you ride and where you ride...

Gaskets are cheap. Buy a spare PV linkage cover gasket and a spare cylinder base gasket when you get your next top-end kit. When you hit 20 hours, pull the cylinder and have someone who knows what they're doing mic the piston (with a micrometer, not a dial caliper). Have them mic the cylinder bore and you'll know where you're at for clearance.

If the engine is within service limits in the manual, put it back together (with your spare gaskets) and ride another 10 or 20 hours. Now check it all again.

You'll begin to figure out how much time you can put on a top end under YOUR conditions.
So many factors come into play in top-end life. What oil and ratio, what speed are you, where do you ride, how good are you about filter maintenance, etc.

A national level pro on a deep sand track with outboard oil at 50:1 might get 10 hours out of a piston/rings.
A beginner in tight single track at 32:1 might honestly get 200 hours out of a piston/rings while leaving an oil-spooge trail on the ground for miles.
I had a Cr 250 motor built by a race team in 2002. If it aint broke i didnt fix it...my Pro lite forged was fine 10 years later after 150 hours racing n practicing....my secret is my shirt shifting bug bore style... anyone else have weisco last 150hrs too?
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9/10/2019 4:23am Edited Date/Time 9/10/2019 4:25am
BobPA wrote:
I've always run a forged piston in my two strokes. Never have to worry about exploding skirts.....just have to warm it up for a few minutes
Hope you don't let your bike sit to warm up that causes build up in the power valves. Best way to warm up a 2 stroke is to git on it ride it and don't hit the pipe for a fue min then you can give it hell after working through the gears
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30 hours is a safe bet at fast B or A pace. Anything over that and you risk breaking a piece of the piston off. OEM is a good option. I do mine at 30 and the rings are perfect, but the piston gets weak.

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