KTM that much better?

ML512 wrote:

Based off some comments I heard around their tent and some math, I think they're around 225-227 lbs on dry weight.

#434 wrote:

Thanks for the info, ML. That’s quite the weight reduction! I’m wondering where they are able to shave off so much weight and compensate for all...

Thanks for the info, ML. That’s quite the weight reduction! I’m wondering where they are able to shave off so much weight and compensate for all the electronics and data recording?
So with fluids and no gas they are at about 230 lbs and therefore 10 lbs over the limit.

@ early: yes, it’s a coincidence but it’s also a fact..

kiwifan wrote:

And yet they are still putting in great results....people are so hung up over weight it isnt funny, someone here said oh a few pounds lighter...

And yet they are still putting in great results....people are so hung up over weight it isnt funny, someone here said oh a few pounds lighter equals faster lap times....so what if the slightly heavier other bike (i.e. non KTM/Husky) puts the power down better because of the extra weight and/or has better geometry...then the lighter weight bikes doesnt mean a damn thing.

yz133rider wrote:

Every motorsport in the world chases lighter weight except you. Maybe everyone else is wrong...

yz133rider wrote:

Every motorsport in the world chases lighter weight except you. Maybe everyone else is wrong...

kiwifan wrote:

Excellent, you missed my point, well done!

yz133rider wrote:

Every motorsport in the world chases lighter weight except you. Maybe everyone else is wrong...

kiwifan wrote:

Excellent, you missed my point, well done!

yz133rider wrote:

I got your point im just letting you know whether you agree or care or not, weight does matter.

JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:

Apparently you guys didn’t read the ktm manual. It’s Guaranteed to make your pecker 3 inches bigger!

ML512 wrote:

Based off some comments I heard around their tent and some math, I think they're around 225-227 lbs on dry weight.

#434 wrote:

Thanks for the info, ML. That’s quite the weight reduction! I’m wondering where they are able to shave off so much weight and compensate for all...

Thanks for the info, ML. That’s quite the weight reduction! I’m wondering where they are able to shave off so much weight and compensate for all the electronics and data recording?
So with fluids and no gas they are at about 230 lbs and therefore 10 lbs over the limit.

@ early: yes, it’s a coincidence but it’s also a fact..

kiwifan wrote:

And yet they are still putting in great results....people are so hung up over weight it isnt funny, someone here said oh a few pounds lighter...

And yet they are still putting in great results....people are so hung up over weight it isnt funny, someone here said oh a few pounds lighter equals faster lap times....so what if the slightly heavier other bike (i.e. non KTM/Husky) puts the power down better because of the extra weight and/or has better geometry...then the lighter weight bikes doesnt mean a damn thing.

kkawboy14 wrote:

First bike price that popped up on google when I did a search! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/06/03/265753/s1200_1B581ABD_2C22_4CB5_892D_C831B4E6CFB8.jpg[/img]

First bike price that popped up on google when I did a search!

yz133rider wrote:

Thats a fucking factory edition no shit sherlock. I paid 7500 otd for a new husky 350 and many others were in the low to mid...

Thats a fucking factory edition no shit sherlock.
I paid 7500 otd for a new husky 350 and many others were in the low to mid 7s on here.

Jap vs ktm arguements are always full of ppl quoting 5500 for a rmz and then 12k for a ktm lol.

kkawboy14 wrote:

It would take a factory edition KTM to keep up with a bone stock kxf

#434 wrote:

Haha, for sure the teams are spending big $ on titanium and carbon fiber when a little more weight would make the bike hook up better...

Haha, for sure the teams are spending big $ on titanium and carbon fiber when a little more weight would make the bike hook up better. Maybe you should have listened a little better in physics class.
According to ML's info the factory Honda is ~5% heavier than a KTM. Doesn't sound like much? That's the same as missing 3 HP in the engine or Kenny being 6 lbs overweight..
Chad Reed didn't want the electric start on his yzf last year because of the extra weight and talked about how much lighter his stock husky is than his factory yzf. Brayton's Honda this year had no e-start because he liked the lighter feel and mass distribution better than with e-start.

yz133rider wrote:

Thats a fucking factory edition no shit sherlock. I paid 7500 otd for a new husky 350 and many others were in the low to mid...

Thats a fucking factory edition no shit sherlock.
I paid 7500 otd for a new husky 350 and many others were in the low to mid 7s on here.

Jap vs ktm arguements are always full of ppl quoting 5500 for a rmz and then 12k for a ktm lol.

kkawboy14 wrote:

It would take a factory edition KTM to keep up with a bone stock kxf

wreckitrandy wrote:

So, why do they have to give them away?

#434 wrote:

Haha, for sure the teams are spending big $ on titanium and carbon fiber when a little more weight would make the bike hook up better...

Haha, for sure the teams are spending big $ on titanium and carbon fiber when a little more weight would make the bike hook up better. Maybe you should have listened a little better in physics class.
According to ML's info the factory Honda is ~5% heavier than a KTM. Doesn't sound like much? That's the same as missing 3 HP in the engine or Kenny being 6 lbs overweight..
Chad Reed didn't want the electric start on his yzf last year because of the extra weight and talked about how much lighter his stock husky is than his factory yzf. Brayton's Honda this year had no e-start because he liked the lighter feel and mass distribution better than with e-start.

brimx153 wrote:

Reed and brayton not wanting e start on there bike had nothing to do with weight . It had to do with the extra drag on...

Reed and brayton not wanting e start on there bike had nothing to do with weight . It had to do with the extra drag on the engine .they like an engine to be very free reving . No factory 450 is looking for 3 HP. They can make way more power than they ever need. They make them lighter for handling purposes. Jgr had the heaviest production bike when they were on Yamaha. And they def had the most HP

brimx153 wrote:

Reed and brayton not wanting e start on there bike had nothing to do with weight . It had to do with the extra drag on...

Reed and brayton not wanting e start on there bike had nothing to do with weight . It had to do with the extra drag on the engine .they like an engine to be very free reving . No factory 450 is looking for 3 HP. They can make way more power than they ever need. They make them lighter for handling purposes. Jgr had the heaviest production bike when they were on Yamaha. And they def had the most HP

brimx153 wrote:

Reed and brayton not wanting e start on there bike had nothing to do with weight . It had to do with the extra drag on...

Reed and brayton not wanting e start on there bike had nothing to do with weight . It had to do with the extra drag on the engine .they like an engine to be very free reving . No factory 450 is looking for 3 HP. They can make way more power than they ever need. They make them lighter for handling purposes. Jgr had the heaviest production bike when they were on Yamaha. And they def had the most HP

mx317 wrote:

You know the starter doesn't spin when the engine is running don't you? They have a one way starter clutch that produces no more (probably less)...

You know the starter doesn't spin when the engine is running don't you? They have a one way starter clutch that produces no more (probably less) drag than a bearing spinning in the engine. I think it had everything to do with not wanting the extra weight. Did Reed even have a choice of an electric starter?

GPrider wrote:

did Reeds results get better after he dropped the ES or switched to Husky?