US MX bike

P wrote:

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come...

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come out the manufacture seems to kill itself trying to make it "different." I say just follow the blueprint that it out there.

Either way, I think that right about now might be a good time for someone to take another shot at it.


P

Slow ~ Pro wrote:

I was on the ground level with Cannondale, actually sold a few. I rode them, I liked them. I thought the suspension was flawless. Heavy, slow...

I was on the ground level with Cannondale, actually sold a few. I rode them, I liked them. I thought the suspension was flawless.


Heavy, slow ?


Funny, but I don't remember them feeling heavy, or slow...

In 1997, there wasn't anything else to compare it with...The Yamaha, (YZ400F) came out in 1998.


I do remember it making a lot of engine noise, due to the plastic side cases.

Rupert X wrote:

Sean from COBRA was planning on mass-producing a pretty cool 2 stroke CR-250- like product called the "REV" - anybody remember that ? Sean told me...

Sean from COBRA was planning on mass-producing a pretty cool 2 stroke

CR-250- like product called the "REV" - anybody remember that ?

Sean told me recently it's parked at the Cobra factory.

Pretty sure he and a few other ex-Detroit automobile engineers started

the project and the REV company - it was a pretty cool bike actually, with

many high-quality components, if I recall correctly.....

Yes - It was to be AMERICAN MADE.

* I wish NASA would build an mx bike. With Chip Foose.

Slow ~ Pro wrote:

I was on the ground level with Cannondale, actually sold a few. I rode them, I liked them. I thought the suspension was flawless. Heavy, slow...

I was on the ground level with Cannondale, actually sold a few. I rode them, I liked them. I thought the suspension was flawless.


Heavy, slow ?


Funny, but I don't remember them feeling heavy, or slow...

In 1997, there wasn't anything else to compare it with...The Yamaha, (YZ400F) came out in 1998.


I do remember it making a lot of engine noise, due to the plastic side cases.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Ohlins, right?

P wrote:

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come...

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come out the manufacture seems to kill itself trying to make it "different." I say just follow the blueprint that it out there.

Either way, I think that right about now might be a good time for someone to take another shot at it.


P

FreshTopEnd wrote:

What's the production run, and what do they actually make in house?

P wrote:

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come...

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come out the manufacture seems to kill itself trying to make it "different." I say just follow the blueprint that it out there.

Either way, I think that right about now might be a good time for someone to take another shot at it.


P

FreshTopEnd wrote:

What's the production run, and what do they actually make in house?

Slow ~ Pro wrote:

Aren't these just a cross breed between Yamaha, and KTM ?

They make the exhaust brackets in house !

Ozzy wrote:

Sure, your 100% correct, I do have a lot to say, but for now I won't. I'm saving it for an interview. Not to bash, but...

Sure, your 100% correct, I do have a lot to say,
but for now I won't.
I'm saving it for an interview.
Not to bash, but the gods honest truth of it all!
But until then, no, we're not over-paid!
We're not this,
& not that.......
But there are issues & other things
that ruin it all, & then there's the
key thing, money & support!
So until such time, dream on!!!!!!!!!!
Dave O.

P wrote:

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come...

Why is it that with America at the top of the MX/SX hill that we still can't manufacture a decent MX bike? Whenever something does come out the manufacture seems to kill itself trying to make it "different." I say just follow the blueprint that it out there.

Either way, I think that right about now might be a good time for someone to take another shot at it.


P

DrSweden wrote:

I wish someone stole the CR250 baking tin and stared mass produce those suckers in China or whatever. Maybe upgrade the suspension some. Some bling rims...

I wish someone stole the CR250 baking tin and stared mass produce those suckers in China or whatever. Maybe upgrade the suspension some. Some bling rims and gold details. Make it look factory, cool name etc.


This four stroke attempt is a dead fish. Focus on a cheap two stroke with cool looks and reliable engine is the key to stardom for me.


But I know shit.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

[img]http://www.servicehonda.com/images/models/bailey%20af/leftside.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.servicehonda.com/images/models/kx500af/2009/leftwb600.jpg[/img] BTW, people like AJ and those who put other exotics like together are the proper heirs of legends like the Rickman Brothers and Eric...

BTW, people like AJ and those who put other exotics like together are the proper heirs of legends like the Rickman Brothers and Eric Cheney.

Slow ~ Pro wrote:

Good point Gibby... The American "Cannondale" went for $8995.00 in 1997. So 12 year later, I would venture the guess of an American bike around $15,000.00...

Good point Gibby...

The American "Cannondale" went for $8995.00 in 1997.

So 12 year later, I would venture the guess of an American bike around $15,000.00

Cannondale parts were promised all day long...None available, but a really nice promise was made.

Slow ~ Pro wrote:

Good point Gibby... The American "Cannondale" went for $8995.00 in 1997. So 12 year later, I would venture the guess of an American bike around $15,000.00...

Good point Gibby...

The American "Cannondale" went for $8995.00 in 1997.

So 12 year later, I would venture the guess of an American bike around $15,000.00

Cannondale parts were promised all day long...None available, but a really nice promise was made.

SPYGUY wrote:

You're a few years off. The Cannondale didn't come out until late 2001 or so.

AJ wrote:

"Made in USA" and desgned engineered in USA , without reinventing the wheel seems like drawing a fine line in the sand while in the sahara...

"Made in USA"


and desgned engineered in USA , without reinventing the wheel

seems like

drawing a fine line in the sand while in the sahara.


either its redesigned . and engineered from the ground up..

or its a copy??



like any Ford or Chevy "made in the USA"

so are all of Service Powersports current 12 model line up..


we are using parts sourced from Japan , and basing it off a proven design with some refinements for the particular chassis or engine combination.

i could make complet eframes almost as easily and sometimes easier than the modifications it takes for some models,
sznd i could source suspension,brakes, wheels, and other parts from the same vendors the current Japaneses OEMS do..

but there is no good reason to (and good reasons not to with added cost actually in lower evolumes les sthan 10,000 units)




but i understand where you are coming from Paul.

.

i just dont think you will see any american company jump into a full from the ground up

MX bike ? not the time or place to do so ,at all.



You would be far more likely to see the various Japaneses OEMs stangant thier current MX models , or drop them


and you WILL see some various off road models

(that the public likeky thinks are successful and will be surprised)

dropped by some of the OEMS for 2010..

if my crystal ball is working well

(typically it does ok, other than for lotto numbers)

jtomasik wrote:

Jeez, this is sad. I just realized how we've fallen behind other manufacturing nations. Back in the 1980's, the US tried making a manufacturing come-back. Deming...

Jeez, this is sad. I just realized how we've fallen behind other manufacturing nations. Back in the 1980's, the US tried making a manufacturing come-back. Deming tried to bring an understanding of quality into our system, but it never stuck. It was strange. I was trained on GD&T (largely an effort of the aerospace industry), but few vendors understood it or knew its benefits. Quality through statistics was theoretically understood, but more a showpiece in the consumer field. I'd see development team in the auto industry get choked by feature creep while being held responsible for the implementation of best quality practice, which was a job in itself.

And now, it seems many have forgotten manufacturing quality, because so little manufacturing exists here. I received a first article report of new parts from a local vendor today. They supplied some process capability numbers (Cp and Cpk). The quality manager from the customer had no idea what Cp and Cpk meant. The vendor who supplied it couldn't differentiate between the two, and didn't understand that 1.0 is barely acceptable and 1.33 as a minimum is desirable.

We've forgotten because we don't manufacture. Even if we somehow could get back the manufacturing business, I'd doubt we'd stand a chance being competitive, because we're forgetting what's important.

Foster576 wrote:

Anyone ever try to ride one of the Cannondales? It was a heavy slow turd.

Tiki wrote:

It had a lot of support. Cannondale was on the right idea, trying to re-invent the wheel on the initial outing isn't as easy as it...

It had a lot of support. Cannondale was on the right idea, trying to re-invent the wheel on the initial outing isn't as easy as it turned out.

If an american company came out with another heavy slow turd that actually made it to market, I would buy it. Check out all the support for Gas Gas, Husaberg et,al.

The old Husabergs never made it to the finish line, now they seem to have it fixed.

Slow ~ Pro wrote:

I was on the ground level with Cannondale, actually sold a few. I rode them, I liked them. I thought the suspension was flawless. Heavy, slow...

I was on the ground level with Cannondale, actually sold a few. I rode them, I liked them. I thought the suspension was flawless.


Heavy, slow ?


Funny, but I don't remember them feeling heavy, or slow...

In 1997, there wasn't anything else to compare it with...The Yamaha, (YZ400F) came out in 1998.


I do remember it making a lot of engine noise, due to the plastic side cases.