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I could see vet classes at LL allowing electric a decent place to gather data because you may have some pretty good riders showing up on them and you can see how they stack up. If that's open and doesn't require bikes to be homologated.
http://pulpmx.com/2018/04/12/pulpmx-show-excerpt-no-alta-allowed-at-lor…
A: You're damn right it is better. A whopping 25% increase in power.
Alta can achieve this in one year and you tools are questioning the decision to take time and see what class if any it belongs in. Suppose they are able to achieve this again in a year now it has 50% more power in 2 years? Has a big 5 ever achieved anything even close to a 25% power increase on a model in a single year? So let’s assume it’s equal to 250 last year and the AMA puts it in 250 class now a year later it’s 25% stronger. Everyone but Alta would be complaining about putting it in 250 class, just like everyone complains about the 450 clusterfuck. Jesus Christ the AMA is in a no win situation here no matter what they do it’s going to be wrong and piss people off.
With the 2018 Redshift MXR Alta put the Big 5 on notice. If they do not want to start making competitive electric motocross bikes, then Alta will sell as many of them as people are willing to buy, which seems like a lot. They are fun, fast, cheap to own, and can be ridden anywhere. They are here to stay.
Once the Big 5 catch up, the AMA will catch up as well. I am only curious which bikes, or perhaps which manufacturers, will fall victim to the electrification.
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DC's explanation: "It's an Open class for 2-stroke and 4-stroke motorcycles, it doesn't say it's an Open class for electric motorcycles."
I get the 250, 450 or even Open class ban as he has defined it, but he doesn't mention the Vet class. Is the Vet class under the same Open class rule structure?
All the 450 classes, Open classes and the Vet classes are defined as 122cc-Open cc. Click on the link below to see a description of each class as defined for the AMA Amateur Championship at Loretta Lynn's by MX Sports.
https://mxsports.com/pages/classes
An unintended consequence of adding an e-bike class would be riders who want to race LL going out and buying them. This would irritate the OEMs, as Alta would be taking a piece of the pie. That doesn't fit the plan!
If e-bikes take over, the pie for exhaust manufacturers, hop-up shops, oil companies, and such will shrink further. This will trickle down to less advertising budget to keep magazines and websites alive and thriving.
Follow the money trail, or in our sport the vanishing money trail. Thank God for energy drinks, or else we might really be in trouble.
Could e-bikes and two-strokes save the day? Stay tuned...
With less money needed for maintenance, people will be able to ride more and buy more bikes. Graphics kits sales will take off, hey everyone will still want to look fast! I am now shopping for a custom graphics kit for my second Alta!
I have nothing against the Alta, but still feel the two-stroke is the best bike for the masses. Let's get an entry-level Alta at around 8K and chargeable via a 110 outlet and small Honda generator and sign me up!
Many industries will die with the loss of the Boomer generation. I'm not sure how the economy will continue on with the limited spending power of Gen. X, Y, and Z.
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I can go ~5 seconds a lap faster on a 450 than on my YZ250. I do not see the same thing happening on an e-bike, but I could be wrong. I'm also a Vet rider and don't want to go very fast! I work with my hands and a crash could cost thousands in lost wages. That's my story and I'm sticking to it if you ever blow past me at a practice day!
I think LL/MX Sports/Feld want to contain e-bike technology as it has the potential to upset the status-quo in the industry. Many will agree that the four-stroke revolution negatively affected the status-quo, in that equipment became more expensive, speeds higher, and injuries more severe. Maybe a switch from four-strokes to e-bikes will increase costs and speeds even higher, shrinking the sport further and affecting stakeholders' bottom lines.
Bringing back 125 like machines would also be a huge thing, but I think we need to look at it and ask if it needs to be a 125cc two stroke, or simply a lower cost, lighter weight, simple to work on bike.
The sport is shrinking due to cost and generational turnover. Younger generations do not have the same purchasing power and means to go riding/racing. And the sport became more expensive during and after the 1997-2005 boom, as everyone wanted a bigger slice of the expanding pie. Everyone includes promoters, OEMs, the aftermarket, ect.
Bikes tend to cost 8K-10K. A day of racing is $100 in entry fees alone. This isn't within reach of many lower-income folks. Back in 1998 or so, a bike could be had for 5K and $50 would cover a day of racing. Is everyone's after-tax pay 100% higher in 2018 than 1998?
E-bikes can help, but must be priced within reach of common folk. An e-bike that runs like a 125 and costs 6K could sell like crazy. Offering a BMX style track for such bikes in residential areas could be huge. Basic wheels, tires, and suspension components could lower the price.
In the meantime, we should ride affordable and "quiet" two-strokes. Mandate longer mufflers to keep the noise down near homes.
When I sold my house my dog and I camped out at an RV park near Canyon MX in Peoria, AZ. Even being at least a mile away, I could still hear the four-strokes. This is a huge problem.
Are they being banned to eliminate the chance of a ringer (possibly a long haired Alta test rider rider from Butler, PA) winning a Vet class at LL and creating a PR bonanza?
"Oh the humanity..."
https://altaownersforum.com/threads/for-sale-2017-alta-redshift-mx.15
A used one can be had for 3-4K.
Until e-bike pricing gets close to this, I'll stick to my YZ. They are the best bang for the buck for working class folks.
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