Screw Eli’s Stable Mate. Who you want on your side in a drunken bar fight?

UpTiTe 4/2/2018 8:43am
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SwingHard wrote:
GSP would tie a dude in a knot before the guy knew what happened! No punches needed.
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
A 1 on 1 fight without people jumping in? For sure. But that's not how it works, he'd get soccer kicked right in head by someone's...
A 1 on 1 fight without people jumping in? For sure. But that's not how it works, he'd get soccer kicked right in head by someone's friend. I'd take Chuck, Crocop, Stipe, or Big Country all day long over GSP.
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I looked over and Chuck Liddell was with his back against the wall, knocking people out that were trying to go after him.
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I've gotta agree with Norcal on this one. Like he said one on one GSP would destroy just about everyone. But a bar fight you can't...
I've gotta agree with Norcal on this one. Like he said one on one GSP would destroy just about everyone. But a bar fight you can't take your opponent down and hang out in his guard while dry humping him. Any one of the guys friends can run up and catch GSP from behind and its over. Take a big stand up fighter with legit Ko power anyday over GSP in a bar fight
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has huge knockout power, fast hands and fast feet, he has more Knockouts than he does submissions.

There would be absolutely no reason for him to even consider going to the ground in a bar fight.
TheGetFresh 4/2/2018 9:12am
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
Weight classes exist for a reason. A size advantage can overcome a pretty big gap in technical ability
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
TheGetFresh wrote:
Weight classes exist for a reason. A size advantage can overcome a pretty big gap in technical ability
At the same time, a lot of y'all are talking as if there's rules and an official keeping score. Bar Fights are about taking the other guy down with whatever it takes. I've seen a man's head slammed into the bar. Very, very effective.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
TheGetFresh wrote:
Weight classes exist for a reason. A size advantage can overcome a pretty big gap in technical ability
TeamGreen wrote:
At the same time, a lot of y'all are talking as if there's rules and an official keeping score. Bar Fights are about taking the other...
At the same time, a lot of y'all are talking as if there's rules and an official keeping score. Bar Fights are about taking the other guy down with whatever it takes. I've seen a man's head slammed into the bar. Very, very effective.
I agree. That's why Kimbo Slice was not very good in the Octagon but was a beast in bare knuckle backyard fights.

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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
Does it really matter if they are fighting some random drunks at a bar? both of m will do the job.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
vschaik141 wrote:
Does it really matter if they are fighting some random drunks at a bar? both of m will do the job.
Sometimes a random drunk will surprise you.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
vschaik141 wrote:
Does it really matter if they are fighting some random drunks at a bar? both of m will do the job.
TeamGreen wrote:
Sometimes a random drunk will surprise you.
yes me, not them.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
vschaik141 wrote:
Does it really matter if they are fighting some random drunks at a bar? both of m will do the job.
TeamGreen wrote:
Sometimes a random drunk will surprise you.
yes , I know a guy that was great athlete when young , went the party route but still was very fast and athletic . played pool for money was only about 5 ft 7 , 165- 70 lbs . people always tried to not pay him unless they knew him , he been fightin in and out of bars since 15-16 yrs old. when he was about 50 yrs old a guy that became a mma -ufc champ start after his cousin that he took out for 21st birthday ... over pool game. the pool playin party guy had been in bad car wreck had pin from hip to knee ,neck operated on for cracked verts , blood clot removed from brain and brain tumor . He jumped in front of mma guy and hit mma 3 times with fists, nocked out cold . mma guys buddies picked him up and got him out of there quick ...pool playin guy didn't know he was mma guy, till other patrons told him .. mma guy was about 6 -2 over 200lbs 20 yrs younger .. guess he was waitin for bell to ring ...
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magoo1982 4/2/2018 12:48pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Chuck Liddell over GSP in a fight? Wow, ok.
TheGetFresh wrote:
Weight classes exist for a reason. A size advantage can overcome a pretty big gap in technical ability
TeamGreen wrote:
At the same time, a lot of y'all are talking as if there's rules and an official keeping score. Bar Fights are about taking the other...
At the same time, a lot of y'all are talking as if there's rules and an official keeping score. Bar Fights are about taking the other guy down with whatever it takes. I've seen a man's head slammed into the bar. Very, very effective.
An old guy that worked with my dad but was about 60-65 yrs old , used those methods . He liked to find the big bully type people, he would act like he was afraid and let them pick on him, then all of the sudden when they thought he could be easy to knock around, he would let loose. he would bang their heads together, on bars , into posts or walls .He even fired up 4-5 members of the local 1 percenter club ..he would be about 118 yrs old if he was still alive.. He and his wife didn't have any children, and when I was about 9yrs old he used to watch pink panther cartoon every wkend then call me on phone and ask what I thought about that wks show.
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UpTiTe wrote:
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has...
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has huge knockout power, fast hands and fast feet, he has more Knockouts than he does submissions.

There would be absolutely no reason for him to even consider going to the ground in a bar fight.
How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a huge MMA fan and grew up boxing (not claiming to be any good at it lol) but I watch a ton of MMA and the fact you said GSP has huge KO power has to be a joke
UpTiTe 4/2/2018 1:22pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has...
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has huge knockout power, fast hands and fast feet, he has more Knockouts than he does submissions.

There would be absolutely no reason for him to even consider going to the ground in a bar fight.
surfer22 wrote:
How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a...
How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a huge MMA fan and grew up boxing (not claiming to be any good at it lol) but I watch a ton of MMA and the fact you said GSP has huge KO power has to be a joke
You're right, I don't know nothing about MMA. Thanks for playing along though.
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surfer22 4/2/2018 5:26pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
You're right, I don't know nothing about MMA. Thanks for playing along though.
I know you don't. You claiming GSP has huge ko power was enough to make that obvious lol
NorCalRedRyder 4/2/2018 6:26pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has...
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has huge knockout power, fast hands and fast feet, he has more Knockouts than he does submissions.

There would be absolutely no reason for him to even consider going to the ground in a bar fight.
surfer22 wrote:
How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a...
How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a huge MMA fan and grew up boxing (not claiming to be any good at it lol) but I watch a ton of MMA and the fact you said GSP has huge KO power has to be a joke
Ya the "huge knock out power" is where he lost me haha. Gsp is great no doubt, but he is imo one of the most boring fighters ever to watch. Jab jab, superman punch, takedown, dry hump the rest of the round....for 25 minutes. Effective yes. Boring as shit? Oh ya. I can't recall him ever ko'ing anyone, let alone on his feet. Huge knock out power haha whatchu talkin bout Willis.
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Steiny 4/2/2018 7:58pm
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Test done in the gym would say that you guys are wrong and uptite is correct.

Georges punch registers at 2859 lbs of force
Georges kick registers at 3477 lbs of force
Georges punch/kick combo registers at 6000+ lbs of force in under 1 second
Georges takedown generates 2400 watts of power in 1.17 second (on par with Rashad Evans)
Georges superman punch moves at 15 feet/second (twice as fast as his normal punch)
Cain Velasquezs punch is 2230 lbs of force
Rampage Jackson's punch is 1800 lbs of force
Shogun Rua's kick is 2749 lbs of force


LMAO at people who think they know MMA because they took a few striking classes. George has power but he doesnt have a ton of KOs because his style is methotical and planned out, he doesnt take the big chances unless its there. He fights from the outside so the strikes come in late in the swing, but again, thats part of his game, to establish the jab and start the inside kick to break an opponent down. i will also say that if you think GSP is a boring fighter, you have no idea what youre watching.

look at George as the Dungey of the MMA world, he has the speed to win, but doesnt take the huge chances to do so. Instead he breaks down his competition and demoralizes them.

But hey, what does a guy who coaches stand up know?

EDIT: I will add that uptite in his day was legit in the octagon, something he wont talk about.
NorCalRedRyder 4/2/2018 8:31pm
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Ya GSP was an excitement machine....



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Steiny 4/2/2018 8:42pm
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Ya GSP was an excitement machine....[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/04/02/253264/s1200_Capture_2018_04_02_20_28_49.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/04/02/253265/s1200_Capture_2018_04_02_20_29_49.jpg[/img]
Ya GSP was an excitement machine....



Again, if you dont think gsp was exciting to watch, you have no idea what youre watching. Youre "dryhump" comment tells me everything I need to know about what kind of fight fan you are,
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Ya GSP was an excitement machine....[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/04/02/253264/s1200_Capture_2018_04_02_20_28_49.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/04/02/253265/s1200_Capture_2018_04_02_20_29_49.jpg[/img]
Ya GSP was an excitement machine....



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Again, if you dont think gsp was exciting to watch, you have no idea what youre watching. Youre "dryhump" comment tells me everything I need to...
Again, if you dont think gsp was exciting to watch, you have no idea what youre watching. Youre "dryhump" comment tells me everything I need to know about what kind of fight fan you are,
I know how dare I disagree with a "striking" coach from a Socal Mcdojo. My apologies sensei.

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bh84 4/2/2018 10:29pm
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Moto related? Weston Peick.

Non Moto? Colton Orr. Dude could KO guys on skates, I’d wanna see what he could do with proper footing.
fullysicmate 4/2/2018 11:58pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has...
I don't think you guys watch too much MMA or maybe you just don't know enough about it, GSP stand up game is great, he has huge knockout power, fast hands and fast feet, he has more Knockouts than he does submissions.

There would be absolutely no reason for him to even consider going to the ground in a bar fight.
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How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a...
How many of those "knockouts" were actually KO's and not ref stoppages?? GSP has HUGE knockout power?? lmao this is some funny shiz. I'm actually a huge MMA fan and grew up boxing (not claiming to be any good at it lol) but I watch a ton of MMA and the fact you said GSP has huge KO power has to be a joke
Any average trained fighter has a huge advantage over any average guy who has had no fight training.

It's like someone who has been racing mx for a few years being told by someone who has never raced a mx bike that he could beat you, because he rode his mates bike around a track once, its exactly the same. Exactly.

I did boxing for a long time, I seen over and over again, big tough steroid guys, big tough footy players that would come and sign up for boxing but only last a few sessions because the guys that had a few years of experience, and were 20kg lighter than them, could land punches on them like they were no better than a punching bag, Their punches would be so predictable that the experienced guys would see them coming a mile away. The same guys that no one would fight in a bar because they look tough.

Being trained makes a huge difference in anything from riding, fighting, to building a brick wall. If you think GSP would be useless in a bar fight WOW!!
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surfer22 4/3/2018 2:43am
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Any average trained fighter has a huge advantage over any average guy who has had no fight training. It's like someone who has been racing mx...
Any average trained fighter has a huge advantage over any average guy who has had no fight training.

It's like someone who has been racing mx for a few years being told by someone who has never raced a mx bike that he could beat you, because he rode his mates bike around a track once, its exactly the same. Exactly.

I did boxing for a long time, I seen over and over again, big tough steroid guys, big tough footy players that would come and sign up for boxing but only last a few sessions because the guys that had a few years of experience, and were 20kg lighter than them, could land punches on them like they were no better than a punching bag, Their punches would be so predictable that the experienced guys would see them coming a mile away. The same guys that no one would fight in a bar because they look tough.

Being trained makes a huge difference in anything from riding, fighting, to building a brick wall. If you think GSP would be useless in a bar fight WOW!!
I literally agree with almost everything you said so I don't see what we are disagreeing about. Size is certainly not everything. As for GSP being useless in a bar fight I don't recall saying that. I certainly can think of many other UFC fighters I'd prefer to have my back in a bar fight. As for a fight with rules and red and one on one I certainly think GSP will kick most guys as including mine. I don't think many of you are getting the distinction between a sanctioned event with rules and refs vs a bar fight where anything goes lol
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surfer22 4/3/2018 2:46am
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Ya GSP was an excitement machine....[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/04/02/253264/s1200_Capture_2018_04_02_20_28_49.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/04/02/253265/s1200_Capture_2018_04_02_20_29_49.jpg[/img]
Ya GSP was an excitement machine....



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Again, if you dont think gsp was exciting to watch, you have no idea what youre watching. Youre "dryhump" comment tells me everything I need to...
Again, if you dont think gsp was exciting to watch, you have no idea what youre watching. Youre "dryhump" comment tells me everything I need to know about what kind of fight fan you are,
While excitement is an opinion factor I have to agree with Norcal that GSP was not very exciting to watch. Definitely a badass dude and a great fighter but I much rather see someone that goes all out and tries to finish his opponent. Before his upset loss GSP would try and finish guys. After he got KO'd by Serra he changed and would fight as careful and boring as possible. Very effective but not very exciting, to me at least. The lack of "huge ko power" is a fact though.
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Firefly47 4/3/2018 4:29am
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By the way, y'all ever see the story about Roger Huerta? He's not a big guy.
And he damn near killed that big bastard in the street in 6-8 seconds.
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Probably Mike Laraco that dude was tough Chad Reed or Barcia not Mouscan he is way too skinny and cant handle whoops
I remember Barcia getting tough at Bercy, he ran/rode off like a bitch when it came down to it!
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My final pick is Don Frye.

One Bad Ass MF'er.

https://youtu.be/FtZcy2ay1ac?rel=0
Wow... I haven’t heard that name in forever. Remember Tank Abbott? He was pretty bad as well. Much respect for the guys who fought king of the ring and the ufc before there were a ton of rules.
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Steiny 4/3/2018 5:47am
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I literally agree with almost everything you said so I don't see what we are disagreeing about. Size is certainly not everything. As for GSP being...
I literally agree with almost everything you said so I don't see what we are disagreeing about. Size is certainly not everything. As for GSP being useless in a bar fight I don't recall saying that. I certainly can think of many other UFC fighters I'd prefer to have my back in a bar fight. As for a fight with rules and red and one on one I certainly think GSP will kick most guys as including mine. I don't think many of you are getting the distinction between a sanctioned event with rules and refs vs a bar fight where anything goes lol
regarding your last sentence, you either know how to fight or you dont, rules and refs make no difference. GSP is one of the best pound for pound mma fighters to ever walk into the octagon, he would most likely clean out any bar he cared to walk into.

Now there is the unknown that would throw off a lot of trained fighters. Trained fighters tend to have all their focus on one guy and forget about the room so its hard to account for the meat head buddy that will hit you with something from behind. Ive trained with guys who do multiple target training, we call it fight gone bad. Some of those guys are absolutely terrifying in that situation but would certainty lose to a gsp 1 vs 1.


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Steiny 4/3/2018 5:49am
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While excitement is an opinion factor I have to agree with Norcal that GSP was not very exciting to watch. Definitely a badass dude and a...
While excitement is an opinion factor I have to agree with Norcal that GSP was not very exciting to watch. Definitely a badass dude and a great fighter but I much rather see someone that goes all out and tries to finish his opponent. Before his upset loss GSP would try and finish guys. After he got KO'd by Serra he changed and would fight as careful and boring as possible. Very effective but not very exciting, to me at least. The lack of "huge ko power" is a fact though.
Valid point, guys like to see huge knock outs and home run hits, I like the ground chess match. I like watching a methodical striker pick apart his opponent.
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Steiny wrote:
regarding your last sentence, you either know how to fight or you dont, rules and refs make no difference. GSP is one of the best pound...
regarding your last sentence, you either know how to fight or you dont, rules and refs make no difference. GSP is one of the best pound for pound mma fighters to ever walk into the octagon, he would most likely clean out any bar he cared to walk into.

Now there is the unknown that would throw off a lot of trained fighters. Trained fighters tend to have all their focus on one guy and forget about the room so its hard to account for the meat head buddy that will hit you with something from behind. Ive trained with guys who do multiple target training, we call it fight gone bad. Some of those guys are absolutely terrifying in that situation but would certainty lose to a gsp 1 vs 1.


GSP is definitely one of the best pound for pound all time in MMA. Definitley. Even though I'm not really a fan I'll give him that. Rules and refs not making a difference though I just don't see how you get that. They absolutely play a part in the outcome. GSP would wreck pretty much everybody one on one. However in a bar fight it might be 5 guys vs him. Even a fighter as good as GSP might not be able to defeat multiple assailants especially if they are fighting dirty and mobbing and attacking him at the same time. I'm not saying GSP isn't a badass. All I'm saying is there are many dudes in the UFC who have a better skill set to help out in a bar fight. THat's all. You get a big striker with one punch ko power would be way more useful than a guy like GSP in a bar fight.

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