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acres951 3/25/2018 8:26pm
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Frank wrote:
Big fan of Cairoli but if he wants the future of GP Motocross to be flat fields w/man made obstacles I hope Herlings drives him into...
Big fan of Cairoli but if he wants the future of GP Motocross to be flat fields w/man made obstacles I hope Herlings drives him into the ground this year.
This.

Sheesh, everything that I thought was cool about him up to now has pretty much been outweighed by that one comment above saying he talked to Luongo and thinks MX should be in a flat field near a city.

Hard to come back from that one.
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How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can...
How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can you respect a rider who makes competitors achievements always smaller then they are. This second race: "Herlings could close the gap because I had some problem with lappers". A few years back at the GP of Belgium he races Desalle toe-to-toe and loses and then tells us in the pressroom that he gave it to him. Because winning in front of your home crowd is the nicest feeling in the world, and that he was already WC so that it didn't mater. Also his lack of respect for the history of our sport makes me sickening. Who can you adore someone who talked about coming over to the USA a million times but never did it for his fans. Someone who makes KTM kick-out teammates just because he's scared that when they are on KTM equipment they are able to beat him. Oh and then we've got that asthma thing, where they are going crazy about in cycling but nobody seems to give a shit about in other sports like motocross.

On the other hand you've Everts. He won the ISDE, went to the USA to race USSX on 250. He fought for the World Championship Supercross in 1992. He won the Nations a few time, and not always with the strongest team and he rises up against the promoter together with Pichon for the riders safety back in South Africa I think it was. Oh and he won 101GP's and 10 WC's.




lol, your post is just a bunch of hate and nothing more, it's funny cause it comes from a belgian guy, I love this.
Just wondering have you been taking note about anything Cairoli said in his life on a piece of paper? lol.

I mean, feel free to say anything but please leave the asthma thing away, you're not a doctor and you don't wanna say anything about medicines, do you?
Same applies to kongols as well, you've been throwing shit on Cairoli for years now, I'm pretty sure someone here would kill for the sport just like soccer fans would and that's a really big shame, we don't want a fanbase like that. Pathetic. Leave the extremism somewhere else please.

"Lack of respect for the history of the sport" ahahahah holy shit what are you talking about mate? You're the only one not showing respect here with your post, believe me. That is what we call defamation (not just towards Cairoli, to KTM as well) and in some countries that is a crime, did you know?

About the US thing, he never said "I'm going there" and then he didn't go, he just said "I might go there" , it was just a supposition, an idea, he never signed anything. There is a big difference between what you stated and what Cairoli actually stated, just don't make things bigger or put something he never said just to throw shit on him cause this is what you call a "lack of respect" and that is ridiculous. And yes, reaching 10 world titles and 101 GPs when you could win them in 1 day/year was easier of course.

I remember Everts moaning too sometimes but so much time has passed now and unlike you I never took notes of that, I've had some more important stuff to do in my life.

Also I'd like a source of that piece of paper you attached at the end, cause I never read/heard it anywhere. Sounds fake as fuck.
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Cairolli is at 84 GP overall wins and is contracted till 2020, I don't think that will be too hard for him, doesn't look like he will be slowing down anytime soon.
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DeStouwer 3/26/2018 4:17am
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Frank wrote:
Big fan of Cairoli but if he wants the future of GP Motocross to be flat fields w/man made obstacles I hope Herlings drives him into...
Big fan of Cairoli but if he wants the future of GP Motocross to be flat fields w/man made obstacles I hope Herlings drives him into the ground this year.
acres951 wrote:
This. Sheesh, everything that I thought was cool about him up to now has pretty much been outweighed by that one comment above saying he talked...
This.

Sheesh, everything that I thought was cool about him up to now has pretty much been outweighed by that one comment above saying he talked to Luongo and thinks MX should be in a flat field near a city.

Hard to come back from that one.
That quote about the tracks is around 7 years old. Give it a rest.

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Frank wrote:
Big fan of Cairoli but if he wants the future of GP Motocross to be flat fields w/man made obstacles I hope Herlings drives him into...
Big fan of Cairoli but if he wants the future of GP Motocross to be flat fields w/man made obstacles I hope Herlings drives him into the ground this year.
acres951 wrote:
This. Sheesh, everything that I thought was cool about him up to now has pretty much been outweighed by that one comment above saying he talked...
This.

Sheesh, everything that I thought was cool about him up to now has pretty much been outweighed by that one comment above saying he talked to Luongo and thinks MX should be in a flat field near a city.

Hard to come back from that one.
DeStouwer wrote:
That quote about the tracks is around 7 years old. Give it a rest.
Good. Because the only track of that type that has worked is Assen. And that works because it’s sand, not because it’s at a road race facility near to a city.
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How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can...
How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can you respect a rider who makes competitors achievements always smaller then they are. This second race: "Herlings could close the gap because I had some problem with lappers". A few years back at the GP of Belgium he races Desalle toe-to-toe and loses and then tells us in the pressroom that he gave it to him. Because winning in front of your home crowd is the nicest feeling in the world, and that he was already WC so that it didn't mater. Also his lack of respect for the history of our sport makes me sickening. Who can you adore someone who talked about coming over to the USA a million times but never did it for his fans. Someone who makes KTM kick-out teammates just because he's scared that when they are on KTM equipment they are able to beat him. Oh and then we've got that asthma thing, where they are going crazy about in cycling but nobody seems to give a shit about in other sports like motocross.

On the other hand you've Everts. He won the ISDE, went to the USA to race USSX on 250. He fought for the World Championship Supercross in 1992. He won the Nations a few time, and not always with the strongest team and he rises up against the promoter together with Pichon for the riders safety back in South Africa I think it was. Oh and he won 101GP's and 10 WC's.




Everts wasn't considered the perfect son-in-law either. He discarded his own dad because his head was so far up his own ass he didn't know whether to speak or fart. Dave Grant had a part in this ofcourse. But it all boomeranged back in his face when he got injured for two consecutive years and Grant shoved him out of the way. Other riders didn't like Everts back in the 90s, so they made it hard for him to pass and a lot less if Albertyn tried to make a move (for example). I think Cairoli is one of the most popular guys in the paddock with the other riders.

And in favor of Cairoli, Everts had it "easier" as his dad was a former world champion who knew the right people and what was necessary to win. Ofcourse I know Suzuki didn't sign him because he was "the son of", but it helped without a doubt. And he could win 3 GP's a day by winning 3 races, that's just one more as they race now, maybe to win 1 GP. Cairoli's family had nothing and they had to go to the main land every weekend to race some decent competition.

I just respect the both of them and their careers a lot. Anyone around here would give an arm to race half as fast as they do/did. They are/were both champions, who can only be satisfied with a win, not second. The biggest champions are often not the most enjoyable people.

Just try to enjoy the racing, as this little Sicilian is - if you like it or not - one of the greatest ever.
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I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something like “you don’t expect that from a teammate”

I think this title fight will create a great rivalry really soon, there’s a lot of tension between the two teams
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toroP 3/26/2018 5:55am
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We put him on a pedestal because he's a genius on a motorcycle. We have currently some of the fastest young talent we have ever seen...
We put him on a pedestal because he's a genius on a motorcycle. We have currently some of the fastest young talent we have ever seen in GP's, and at the age of 32 Cairoli is still the guy to beat. You've given 2 examples out of what is almost a 15 year career. No question you could look back on Everts career and find similar things that he said/did and you could 100% find things he did after his career that are worse, his handling if Herlings as KTM team boss comes to mind. If Cairoli was scared of riders being faster than him on the same team then he wouldn't have signed a contract extension with Herlings on the team. There isn't anyone KTM have had, besides Herlings, who could have beaten him anyway. To me, I rank him above Everts. He has 1 less world title but could very well equal that this year or even break his record in the coming years. He's about 15/20 GP wins down on Everts but Everts' win tally is a little bit false anyway given that there was a season where he could win multiple GP's per round. Both are legends of the sport, but for me Cairoli has surpassed Everts
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Lets agree that we disagree. Because it's more then those two things, I picked those two just to show his way to talk down about his...
Lets agree that we disagree. Because it's more then those two things, I picked those two just to show his way to talk down about his opponents. Last weekend in Valkenswaard he said: "Herlings too me back, but yeah I wasn't a lot in Belgium or Holland so I didn't train a lot in the sand this year". Just look it up.
Some fans care more about talk than racing.
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I don’t count MX3 as high as MX1/MX2. So I therefore give Cairoli the upper hand statistically. They are both legends though
Hmmm, i would rate beating Smets and Bervoets to 2 titles as a bigger achievement then beating McFarland and Searle to 2 titles.
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roninho 3/26/2018 7:00am
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Robgvx wrote:
Good. Because the only track of that type that has worked is Assen. And that works because it’s sand, not because it’s at a road race...
Good. Because the only track of that type that has worked is Assen. And that works because it’s sand, not because it’s at a road race facility near to a city.
Not sure if it works actually. Yes there were 35.000 fans but reports in the media for the pas few years is that the event needs subsidies to succeed.
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RG95 3/26/2018 7:03am
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Marcello10 wrote:
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something...
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something like “you don’t expect that from a teammate”

I think this title fight will create a great rivalry really soon, there’s a lot of tension between the two teams
Exactly.

I know Herlings is totally off topic here but let me say, it looks like to me when Cairoli says anything polemical then he is a whiner, when Herlings or anyone else complains then it seems everything is gonna get through unnoticed.
Did anyone read Herlings interview after last GP? He's complaing on Cairoli cutting him at the start, come on. It's the start. Cairoli was probably unaware on what was happening behind him.

And by the way what was Herlings expecting, Cairoli slowing down at the start to let him pass? Noone brakes at the start and unfortunately for Herlings he got closed in the back. Herlings would have done the same, just saying.

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Cairolli ?? Pinch time that pizza farmer got tboned by some one to the end of the world. Complaining wanker. Everts is and will be the best of all. Racing those old bikes from the past or these high tech bikes from these days.
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Bearuno 3/26/2018 7:30am
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You whiners need to go back and look at what Pourcel and Cairoli did to each other off the starts, Herlings and Searle got up to, Everts and Pichon, and any number of riders who carved each other up on the starts. No "after you Alfonso". Have a sqizz at any SX start. And, the 'piece de resistance' effort RV put in at the 2007 MXDN, where he sent either McFarlane or Metcalf for an ambulance ride off one of the starts on his way to a 1:1.

It's hard, hard racing, at World Championships level.

And people say Cairoli is arrogant - Christ, he's but a 100th of what Herlings is on that scale.

We've 2 key whiners here about Cairoli, and I think they need to grow up.

Fuck me, Desalle is one of the great assassins of Motocross - and I've enjoyed the MX Pandas hard riding for years now.

Fanboys and Haters - pathetic, childish wankers by any other name.
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Robgvx 3/26/2018 7:37am
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Robgvx wrote:
Good. Because the only track of that type that has worked is Assen. And that works because it’s sand, not because it’s at a road race...
Good. Because the only track of that type that has worked is Assen. And that works because it’s sand, not because it’s at a road race facility near to a city.
roninho wrote:
Not sure if it works actually. Yes there were 35.000 fans but reports in the media for the pas few years is that the event needs...
Not sure if it works actually. Yes there were 35.000 fans but reports in the media for the pas few years is that the event needs subsidies to succeed.
Re Assen, the secret, in my view, is that it’s a sand track. Sand tracks always produce good racing because they’re difficult and that makes most sand tracks good in my book.

Put a good track anywhere, even in a road race facility like Assen, and it works. It’s nothing to do with facilities. It’s because of the track.

Put a shit track anywhere and it doesn’t work. We’ve had plenty of those.

Switzerland also produces good racing, despite it being a one-off circuit. That said, the fact that it’s a good track is, I believe, purely by chance. If it was by design then YS would repeat that elsewhere. Once in a while they build something that turns out good racing. However I really don’t think they grasp why that is. That’s why we still get shitty tracks at many venues. Maybe one day they’ll figure out the formula that’s staring them in the face every time they get a good race.
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MXMattii 3/26/2018 7:52am
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Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the last years can been brought down to a break even. Then Lee will go on with F1 at Assen.
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RG1 3/26/2018 8:52am
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MXMattii wrote:
Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the...
Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the last years can been brought down to a break even. Then Lee will go on with F1 at Assen.
I don't see a MXdN at Assen working very well. They are limited a lot if spectator space there by the grandstands. If you can't get in a grandstand then where do you go?
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RG1 3/26/2018 9:16am
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Btw, this weekend Cairoli also placed in the top 3 of a Moto for the 300th time Shocked
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Marcello10 wrote:
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something...
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something like “you don’t expect that from a teammate”

I think this title fight will create a great rivalry really soon, there’s a lot of tension between the two teams
source ??

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RichardLoots 3/26/2018 11:24am
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MXMattii wrote:
Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the...
Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the last years can been brought down to a break even. Then Lee will go on with F1 at Assen.
the motocross of aces will return , they already have a MXGP contract .. so expect a new track in 2 years in herlings back garden Sint Anthonis... so Assen is done and they are back in business ...

https://www.gelderlander.nl/maasland/mxgp-motocross-komt-terug-naar-sin…
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MXMattii 3/26/2018 11:35am
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MXMattii wrote:
Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the...
Assen will dissappear after the MXDN in 2019 who will be hosted by them. They hope to get big crowds there so the loses of the last years can been brought down to a break even. Then Lee will go on with F1 at Assen.
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the motocross of aces will return , they already have a MXGP contract .. so expect a new track in 2 years in herlings back garden...
the motocross of aces will return , they already have a MXGP contract .. so expect a new track in 2 years in herlings back garden Sint Anthonis... so Assen is done and they are back in business ...

https://www.gelderlander.nl/maasland/mxgp-motocross-komt-terug-naar-sin…
It's not a done deal yet in Sint Anthonis. Also rumors are going that V'Waard and Sint Anthonis are to close to each other, so that you would go back from two to one GP. But that are just rumors.
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keinz 3/26/2018 11:43am
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Btw, this weekend Cairoli also placed in the top 3 of a Moto for the 300th time Shocked
Wow. And CR22 is my heroSmile
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Btw, this weekend Cairoli also placed in the top 3 of a Moto for the 300th time Shocked
And he won 165 motos so far...
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You think you've seen it all then some guys come on this board defending Herlings like it was their own mother and saying that AC222 is a "complaining wanker"... Huh
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How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can...
How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can you respect a rider who makes competitors achievements always smaller then they are. This second race: "Herlings could close the gap because I had some problem with lappers". A few years back at the GP of Belgium he races Desalle toe-to-toe and loses and then tells us in the pressroom that he gave it to him. Because winning in front of your home crowd is the nicest feeling in the world, and that he was already WC so that it didn't mater. Also his lack of respect for the history of our sport makes me sickening. Who can you adore someone who talked about coming over to the USA a million times but never did it for his fans. Someone who makes KTM kick-out teammates just because he's scared that when they are on KTM equipment they are able to beat him. Oh and then we've got that asthma thing, where they are going crazy about in cycling but nobody seems to give a shit about in other sports like motocross.

On the other hand you've Everts. He won the ISDE, went to the USA to race USSX on 250. He fought for the World Championship Supercross in 1992. He won the Nations a few time, and not always with the strongest team and he rises up against the promoter together with Pichon for the riders safety back in South Africa I think it was. Oh and he won 101GP's and 10 WC's.




Don't let objectivity get in the way of a good rant, Mattii!

It's funny you mention Everts standing up for safety in South Africa though, I always remember the time he got tapped by Pichon and went down there, chucked his goggles at him from the berm like a little bitch when he next came past, then got on his bike and decided to get in the way of Pichon for the next few laps at every opportunity!

It was also pretty funny when he called out American's for being cowards for not racing, then Windham entered late, lined up and beat him!

Everts was always such a class act...



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CoccoBill 3/26/2018 1:41pm
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Marcello10 wrote:
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something...
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something like “you don’t expect that from a teammate”

I think this title fight will create a great rivalry really soon, there’s a lot of tension between the two teams
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Exactly. I know Herlings is totally off topic here but let me say, it looks like to me when Cairoli says anything polemical then he is...
Exactly.

I know Herlings is totally off topic here but let me say, it looks like to me when Cairoli says anything polemical then he is a whiner, when Herlings or anyone else complains then it seems everything is gonna get through unnoticed.
Did anyone read Herlings interview after last GP? He's complaing on Cairoli cutting him at the start, come on. It's the start. Cairoli was probably unaware on what was happening behind him.

And by the way what was Herlings expecting, Cairoli slowing down at the start to let him pass? Noone brakes at the start and unfortunately for Herlings he got closed in the back. Herlings would have done the same, just saying.

Stop making sense, Vital is not used to this.
Oh wait, you're Italian, you're biased!
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Marcello10 wrote:
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something...
I heard that Herlings criticized Tony’s move right before the first turn after the start when he cut right in front of him, he said something like “you don’t expect that from a teammate”

I think this title fight will create a great rivalry really soon, there’s a lot of tension between the two teams
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source ??
Source is what Herlings said in the interview after the race
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CoccoBill 3/26/2018 1:47pm
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Well, I'm Italian and I'm probably biased, but for all of you that don't know what's behind his success, take a look at Tony Cairoli The Movie
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MXMattii 3/26/2018 2:53pm
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Well, I'm Italian and I'm probably biased, but for all of you that don't know what's behind his success, take a look at [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP6FvGHFlvY&feature=youtu.be]Tony Cairoli The...
Well, I'm Italian and I'm probably biased, but for all of you that don't know what's behind his success, take a look at Tony Cairoli The Movie
I saw the movie in premiere with Tony. After the movie we were pissing together, back then I said that you could only get respect for him. Because he made the first big step without help, till DiCarli came, nobody gave one cents for his pro career.

On the other I'm sometimes a bit irritated by his double standards. Starts like in Redsand are OK for me, when Ferrandis did that to Herlings, without being in the championship hunt, but just because he wanted to win his home GP. I couldn't understand all those crybabies, now again I can't understand those crybabies. But if AC222 gets this back he doesn't need to be crying about in interviews. Because in the past, that is what he did. He's the greatest of his erea and sometimes it seems like he wants to be threaten with respect by his competitors. But we all know you can't have to much respect if you wanna race someone. The last few years riders had to much respect for Everts too! The only few who didn't took that respect with them to the track were riders as Townley, Coppins and Tortelli in his few races back.

https://youtu.be/EeorjNKcbW4?rel=0&showinfo=0

If you understand dutch and you watch this Belga Sport repo, you will get also more respect for Everts. His mentally draining dad who talked about motocross 24/7 and pushed him very hard because he didn't wanted Stefan to become a kid who thought everything came easy. So that he got rid of Harry at a certain point seems more logical then a dickhead move. Also if you look at every top performer his journey to the pinnacle of his doing, then you will get more respect for them. Because hard work is always the basis of everything.
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MXMattii wrote:
How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can...
How can you put a rider on a pedestal, after all his moaning about his competitors riding dirty, when he does the same thing. How can you respect a rider who makes competitors achievements always smaller then they are. This second race: "Herlings could close the gap because I had some problem with lappers". A few years back at the GP of Belgium he races Desalle toe-to-toe and loses and then tells us in the pressroom that he gave it to him. Because winning in front of your home crowd is the nicest feeling in the world, and that he was already WC so that it didn't mater. Also his lack of respect for the history of our sport makes me sickening. Who can you adore someone who talked about coming over to the USA a million times but never did it for his fans. Someone who makes KTM kick-out teammates just because he's scared that when they are on KTM equipment they are able to beat him. Oh and then we've got that asthma thing, where they are going crazy about in cycling but nobody seems to give a shit about in other sports like motocross.

On the other hand you've Everts. He won the ISDE, went to the USA to race USSX on 250. He fought for the World Championship Supercross in 1992. He won the Nations a few time, and not always with the strongest team and he rises up against the promoter together with Pichon for the riders safety back in South Africa I think it was. Oh and he won 101GP's and 10 WC's.




St Ann More wrote:
Don't let objectivity get in the way of a good rant, Mattii! It's funny you mention Everts standing up for safety in South Africa though, I...
Don't let objectivity get in the way of a good rant, Mattii!

It's funny you mention Everts standing up for safety in South Africa though, I always remember the time he got tapped by Pichon and went down there, chucked his goggles at him from the berm like a little bitch when he next came past, then got on his bike and decided to get in the way of Pichon for the next few laps at every opportunity!

It was also pretty funny when he called out American's for being cowards for not racing, then Windham entered late, lined up and beat him!

Everts was always such a class act...



Bravo, I was going to bring up Stefan’s temper tantrum and standing next to the track a throwing his goggles and screaming at Pichon.
Seb, Philippaerts, Keeno, Coppins, Smets and Desalle were all tough, they didn’t let you by, you had to earn it.
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TXDirt 3/26/2018 6:48pm
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Really an amazing stat!! Maybe didn’t get the international respect over a decade ago. But if you aren’t a fan by now I don’t know what to say. Baller has earned his place at table of the sports all time greats!

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