Convincing My Parents to Race

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Start doing drugs and having unprotected sex instead. You know, the things that are safer than motorcycles. That'll show them.



Kidding, of course. You may just have to sack up and wait until you are 18.
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why do you want your parents to race?
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If it makes you feel better, Roger DeCoster was in the same boat. His Dad never even knew he raced until he saw his name in the newspaper.
That was a slightly different time, though.
I wouldn't worry too much, you can always race later...my parents were the same way and made me quit when I was 13. I was devastated and got really depressed and they ended up sending me to a shrink. I told him all I wanted was a motorcycle- this kind of thing can get pretty involved. They wanted to put me on drugs over this.
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Nikolas - I think your best bet may be to try and get him to just go watch a local race with you. Let him see the family side, the safety measures (medics, flaggers, etc), and the fact that people do race every without going to the hospital every moto. Help him understand the different classes and how you won't be lining up against the 250 pros, but other beginners.

And maybe just try to have a conversation with him about what exactly it is he doesn't like -- the danger aspect, the financial commitment, insurance concerns, etc. Moto does teach a lot of great skills -- hard work, preparation, tenacity. Personal accountability (in a solo sport, you can't blame teammates when you have a bad race.)

If you are already riding on tracks, I just don't feel like adding racing to it makes it significantly more dangerous. But it will be significantly more rewarding for you as a rider. Even a guy in last place... is still a racer.

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I have Cigna medical insurance through my corporation and they cover and have covered 100% of any sport injury including closed course motocross competition.
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
If it makes you feel better, Roger DeCoster was in the same boat. His Dad never even knew he raced until he saw his name in...
If it makes you feel better, Roger DeCoster was in the same boat. His Dad never even knew he raced until he saw his name in the newspaper.
That was a slightly different time, though.
I wouldn't worry too much, you can always race later...my parents were the same way and made me quit when I was 13. I was devastated and got really depressed and they ended up sending me to a shrink. I told him all I wanted was a motorcycle- this kind of thing can get pretty involved. They wanted to put me on drugs over this.
Is that DeCoster story for real? How old was he when his father found out? I guess he really is the man. Goes from riding/racing MX in secret to world champ. Awesome.
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3/5/2018 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 3/5/2018 4:46pm
Nikolas, like you, my parents were NOT into motorcycling. But, my story was even more difficult than yours...

I grew up on the same block as the Webb brothers...infamous Moto-Culture boys that have done it all and were part of the booming Moto-scene back in the late '60s/early '70s. They were part of the core motocross evolution in SoCal back in those days...even ending up in Moto-Publishing(Dirt Bike, etc - Tom Webb) & Factory Team Management (Factory Suzuki Off-Road and MX/SX - Mike Webb). They made me a Moto-Dude with an addiction to all things Motocross.

But, my parents? They weren't having it. "Motorcycles are too dangerous!". My grand-parents wanted to get me a dirt bike when I was a little kid; but, my parents said,"Hell NO!" (I didn't find this out 'til my grandpa told me one day at a race...that I'd won...at the age of '17...on a bike I bought without my folks knowing!). Yes, I had to sneak out and buy my own race bike! Years later, my parents wish they'd let me have that bike earlier. Why? They saw that it TRULY was my passion and they were STOKED when I earned my 1st support ride just 1.5 years after I raced for the very 1st time.

Over the years of racing in my late-teens thru early twenties, I'd earned some support rides, plenty of contingency checks and had an unbelievable amount of fun. Even when I got a job a Lockheed Missles and Space, Co. ...I could still EARN MORE MONEY IN CONTINGENCY CHECKS on a good weekend! As I worked at Lockheed, where really cool stuff was made outta really cool materials, I decided to take what I'd learned in the aerospace industry & see if I could apply it to Motorsports...I started a small company and 2 years later I left Lockheed. Nowadays I make carbon-fiber goodies for Motorsports, Aerospace & Infrastructure.

My life is pretty good these days and I still ride. I'm 54 and my family, including my parents, all benefit from my passion for Moto. Years ago my grandpa asked my dad..."Ya know, I wonder what he could have accomplished if he'd been able start all this when he was 10?!"

My parents are officers in my company.
They still get nervous about my racing.
They still get a kick outta how much I love it.
They make a good living because of it...because of my passion for Motocross racing.

Virtually all sports are dangerous.
I've seen a friend get knocked out on a golf course...by a golf ball. He's a military pilot.
I've had some of my worst injuries playing soccer.
My daughter has injured her ankle pretty darn bad...DANCING! She's a serious little dancer...at 10 years old.
You can get hurt doing ANYTHING.
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hyler199 wrote:
I would try to find some GNCC or Cross Country type races around you where its a bit less risk and more laid back. that might...
I would try to find some GNCC or Cross Country type races around you where its a bit less risk and more laid back. that might help get into the swing of things and you get way more seat time. If your parents catch the bug from there, changing up from the woods to mainly moto would be easier
This is absolutely what you need to do. Find a Hare Scramble or Cross Country race in your area and then convince your parents to take you to go and watch. Hopefully after they see the friendly environment and how there aren't tons of people getting carted out on stretchers, maybe it'll help soften their stance on the matter.
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^^^ This guy gets it!

Edit: Was pointing at TeamGreen's post.
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Oh I have a good one: My wife got together with me because I raced motorcycles. No kidding.
She had a guy interested in her who was wealthy and had a support-class stock car ride. (I don't remember what it was called but it was/is a feeder for NASCAR.)
Nope, she wanted a motorcycle racer. I guess my 1999 class championship at BoDunk Raceway out in the sticks was more prestigious or something. Laughing Cool



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Just ride and have fun. I raced for 20+ years. It really takes a toll on your body. I was one of the fast guys who maybe could have been but never was in offroad. About the only positive I got in the end was a bunch of stories to tell.
3/5/2018 2:59pm
Wait till you are 18 and do whatever the hell you want.
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Hold your breath until they give in.
3/5/2018 3:05pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Plenty of guys under the age of 18 in the US race. Don't none of them have any type of insurance? They all go racing with...
Plenty of guys under the age of 18 in the US race. Don't none of them have any type of insurance? They all go racing with the mentality of "I'll just be careful" or "I'll just say I was out riding and not racing"? Parent's just take the risks? I don't know.

We're in Canada and if you wanted to go race in the US you would have to get a special insurance policy to cover yourself in case you'd get injured. If we're able to get insurance to cover us while racing in the US I'm sure people living in the US can get coverage as well.

I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap but probably a lot cheaper than getting hurt without any coverage and getting multiple medical bills.

Insurance policies exists for all kinds of different things it's just up to you to do your research and decide which one is best for your application or not get one and deal with the consequences later.

Here's what I don't really get. His father let's him go ride at a track where he has to sign waivers consenting to the risks involved before his kid can even enter the track. He'd still have to sign waivers to let him race. If he got hurt riding at the track they would more than likely get denied coverage because his father signed the waivers allowing him to ride knowing all the risks. He let's him ride but won't let him race. Same risks if you ask me.
Kids in the USA are now on their parents insurance until they are 26 or some bullshit.
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Kids in the USA are now on their parents insurance until they are 26 or some bullshit.
I wouldn't presume to tell you how insurance works in the U.K. Not sure why you want to try and presume how it works here.
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I first got interested in MX when I was about 12. My problem was that my mom was an emergency room RN. That meant my chance of getting a bike early on was somewhere less than zero.

Until I was 18 this was a bit of an issue. BMX was a replacement at the time, though the first time I raced I got in trouble. She said no. I asked my dad to take me, and got both of us in trouble. Wink

In the late 70s, our high school had a motocross team, and raced on Friday nights at Corona Raceway. For a time they wouldn't let me own a bike, but were okay with letting me race. (I still haven't figured out the logic on that one, but was happy to have the chance.)

As others have mentioned, find out what kind of insurance you have, and whether you're covered. It obviously sounds like it's an issue for your dad.

Do you have any friends who race? Would pops be okay with having them take you?
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Give him two options...let you race and face the possible medical expenses or tell him you are gender confused and require the gender transformation surgery. Your dad will either have a MX racer or a daughter. I think you will be riding in no time.
3/5/2018 3:29pm Edited Date/Time 3/5/2018 3:31pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Nikolas, like you, my parents were NOT into motorcycling. But, my story was even more difficult than yours... I grew up on the same block as...
Nikolas, like you, my parents were NOT into motorcycling. But, my story was even more difficult than yours...

I grew up on the same block as the Webb brothers...infamous Moto-Culture boys that have done it all and were part of the booming Moto-scene back in the late '60s/early '70s. They were part of the core motocross evolution in SoCal back in those days...even ending up in Moto-Publishing(Dirt Bike, etc - Tom Webb) & Factory Team Management (Factory Suzuki Off-Road and MX/SX - Mike Webb). They made me a Moto-Dude with an addiction to all things Motocross.

But, my parents? They weren't having it. "Motorcycles are too dangerous!". My grand-parents wanted to get me a dirt bike when I was a little kid; but, my parents said,"Hell NO!" (I didn't find this out 'til my grandpa told me one day at a race...that I'd won...at the age of '17...on a bike I bought without my folks knowing!). Yes, I had to sneak out and buy my own race bike! Years later, my parents wish they'd let me have that bike earlier. Why? They saw that it TRULY was my passion and they were STOKED when I earned my 1st support ride just 1.5 years after I raced for the very 1st time.

Over the years of racing in my late-teens thru early twenties, I'd earned some support rides, plenty of contingency checks and had an unbelievable amount of fun. Even when I got a job a Lockheed Missles and Space, Co. ...I could still EARN MORE MONEY IN CONTINGENCY CHECKS on a good weekend! As I worked at Lockheed, where really cool stuff was made outta really cool materials, I decided to take what I'd learned in the aerospace industry & see if I could apply it to Motorsports...I started a small company and 2 years later I left Lockheed. Nowadays I make carbon-fiber goodies for Motorsports, Aerospace & Infrastructure.

My life is pretty good these days and I still ride. I'm 54 and my family, including my parents, all benefit from my passion for Moto. Years ago my grandpa asked my dad..."Ya know, I wonder what he could have accomplished if he'd been able start all this when he was 10?!"

My parents are officers in my company.
They still get nervous about my racing.
They still get a kick outta how much I love it.
They make a good living because of it...because of my passion for Motocross racing.

Virtually all sports are dangerous.
I've seen a friend get knocked out on a golf course...by a golf ball. He's a military pilot.
I've had some of my worst injuries playing soccer.
My daughter has injured her ankle pretty darn bad...DANCING! She's a serious little dancer...at 10 years old.
You can get hurt doing ANYTHING.
Where did you grow up Manny?

And that's pretty cool to know your story!
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usmc151 wrote:
Give him two options...let you race and face the possible medical expenses or tell him you are gender confused and require the gender transformation surgery. Your...
Give him two options...let you race and face the possible medical expenses or tell him you are gender confused and require the gender transformation surgery. Your dad will either have a MX racer or a daughter. I think you will be riding in no time.
Dude that is pure genius!
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TeamGreen wrote:
Nikolas, like you, my parents were NOT into motorcycling. But, my story was even more difficult than yours... I grew up on the same block as...
Nikolas, like you, my parents were NOT into motorcycling. But, my story was even more difficult than yours...

I grew up on the same block as the Webb brothers...infamous Moto-Culture boys that have done it all and were part of the booming Moto-scene back in the late '60s/early '70s. They were part of the core motocross evolution in SoCal back in those days...even ending up in Moto-Publishing(Dirt Bike, etc - Tom Webb) & Factory Team Management (Factory Suzuki Off-Road and MX/SX - Mike Webb). They made me a Moto-Dude with an addiction to all things Motocross.

But, my parents? They weren't having it. "Motorcycles are too dangerous!". My grand-parents wanted to get me a dirt bike when I was a little kid; but, my parents said,"Hell NO!" (I didn't find this out 'til my grandpa told me one day at a race...that I'd won...at the age of '17...on a bike I bought without my folks knowing!). Yes, I had to sneak out and buy my own race bike! Years later, my parents wish they'd let me have that bike earlier. Why? They saw that it TRULY was my passion and they were STOKED when I earned my 1st support ride just 1.5 years after I raced for the very 1st time.

Over the years of racing in my late-teens thru early twenties, I'd earned some support rides, plenty of contingency checks and had an unbelievable amount of fun. Even when I got a job a Lockheed Missles and Space, Co. ...I could still EARN MORE MONEY IN CONTINGENCY CHECKS on a good weekend! As I worked at Lockheed, where really cool stuff was made outta really cool materials, I decided to take what I'd learned in the aerospace industry & see if I could apply it to Motorsports...I started a small company and 2 years later I left Lockheed. Nowadays I make carbon-fiber goodies for Motorsports, Aerospace & Infrastructure.

My life is pretty good these days and I still ride. I'm 54 and my family, including my parents, all benefit from my passion for Moto. Years ago my grandpa asked my dad..."Ya know, I wonder what he could have accomplished if he'd been able start all this when he was 10?!"

My parents are officers in my company.
They still get nervous about my racing.
They still get a kick outta how much I love it.
They make a good living because of it...because of my passion for Motocross racing.

Virtually all sports are dangerous.
I've seen a friend get knocked out on a golf course...by a golf ball. He's a military pilot.
I've had some of my worst injuries playing soccer.
My daughter has injured her ankle pretty darn bad...DANCING! She's a serious little dancer...at 10 years old.
You can get hurt doing ANYTHING.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Where did you grow up Manny?

And that's pretty cool to know your story!
Nor-Cal! From Hollister to Sand Hill to Marysville to Hangtown.
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usmc151 wrote:
Give him two options...let you race and face the possible medical expenses or tell him you are gender confused and require the gender transformation surgery. Your...
Give him two options...let you race and face the possible medical expenses or tell him you are gender confused and require the gender transformation surgery. Your dad will either have a MX racer or a daughter. I think you will be riding in no time.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Dude that is pure genius!
....Until dad says, "I always wanted a daughter.." Sick
3/5/2018 5:45pm
GuyB wrote:
I first got interested in MX when I was about 12. My problem was that my mom was an emergency room RN. That meant my chance...
I first got interested in MX when I was about 12. My problem was that my mom was an emergency room RN. That meant my chance of getting a bike early on was somewhere less than zero.

Until I was 18 this was a bit of an issue. BMX was a replacement at the time, though the first time I raced I got in trouble. She said no. I asked my dad to take me, and got both of us in trouble. Wink

In the late 70s, our high school had a motocross team, and raced on Friday nights at Corona Raceway. For a time they wouldn't let me own a bike, but were okay with letting me race. (I still haven't figured out the logic on that one, but was happy to have the chance.)

As others have mentioned, find out what kind of insurance you have, and whether you're covered. It obviously sounds like it's an issue for your dad.

Do you have any friends who race? Would pops be okay with having them take you?
We have one friend who races but he is 22... he recently broke his leg and when my dad found out about this... oh boy did I hear about it that day and I still do... other than that one friend, I don't really know anyone around here that races
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GuyB wrote:
I first got interested in MX when I was about 12. My problem was that my mom was an emergency room RN. That meant my chance...
I first got interested in MX when I was about 12. My problem was that my mom was an emergency room RN. That meant my chance of getting a bike early on was somewhere less than zero.

Until I was 18 this was a bit of an issue. BMX was a replacement at the time, though the first time I raced I got in trouble. She said no. I asked my dad to take me, and got both of us in trouble. Wink

In the late 70s, our high school had a motocross team, and raced on Friday nights at Corona Raceway. For a time they wouldn't let me own a bike, but were okay with letting me race. (I still haven't figured out the logic on that one, but was happy to have the chance.)

As others have mentioned, find out what kind of insurance you have, and whether you're covered. It obviously sounds like it's an issue for your dad.

Do you have any friends who race? Would pops be okay with having them take you?
Your school had a moto team?!?! I am forever jealous man...
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Your school had a moto team?!?! I am forever jealous man...
It was an interesting time to grow up in So. Cal. There was a league with a bunch of schools from the Riverside/Orange County area.

Best of all was that we had motocross P.E., which was the same time as our school's football team practice.

The football team was run with military precision...all crew-cuts and dress code. Our crew? Not so much. Being that it was the late 70s, it was more along the lines of long hair, boxers hanging out the bottom of our gym shorts, and Tibblin exercises. (Google Rolf Tibblin motocross if you're unfamiliar with him).
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Health plans here are not about health care. It is about profits.

I've had health plans that disallowed any claims from any sport deemed "Extreme" BMX, Skiing, Snowboarding, you name it, and anything "During Competition" Oddly, Football is OK and if a 300 Lb linebacker breaks you in half and rips your head off, it is OK

Canada and other Social medicine countries dont have this problem.

The only Americans that dont have this problem are those on Welfare(Medicaid) and VA. Everythings covered, and no bills, just like Canada.

Insurance Companies look for any and all ways to deny paying anything. If they find a reason, the bill is yours.

People ask why Ferrandis headed back to France to get checked out and fixed up.........Im guessing to avoid having to pay a deductable here, or the whole bill.
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Marty1028 wrote:
Your school had a moto team?!?! I am forever jealous man...
GuyB wrote:
It was an interesting time to grow up in So. Cal. There was a league with a bunch of schools from the Riverside/Orange County area. Best...
It was an interesting time to grow up in So. Cal. There was a league with a bunch of schools from the Riverside/Orange County area.

Best of all was that we had motocross P.E., which was the same time as our school's football team practice.

The football team was run with military precision...all crew-cuts and dress code. Our crew? Not so much. Being that it was the late 70s, it was more along the lines of long hair, boxers hanging out the bottom of our gym shorts, and Tibblin exercises. (Google Rolf Tibblin motocross if you're unfamiliar with him).
I get football, hockey, soccer, basketball, etc. high school teams but did your high school team race other schools?

How exactly did it work? Was MX so popular back then that many people raced? We had 3 guys in school that rode/race. Myself, my brother and a friend of ours. All from the same small town.
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My dad did something cool for several kids like you back in the early 90s. I was born into a family with a Dad, Uncle, and Grandpa who rode and raced Desert and MX since the 70s and my Mom rode around on a Hodaka so it wasn't a issue when I started racing in the late 80s.

I grew up in a small farming town surrounded by desert so tons of kids rode and had dirt bikes but weren't into racing that I went to school with. We'd ride together all the time but lots of their parents didn't want them to race because it was "so dangerous."

For probably a half dozen kids who wanted to race my Dad went out and met with their parents and explained this to them:

It's safer for the kids to be racing rather than play riding out in the dunes (jeeps, 4 wheelers, riders going all different directions)
You're only ever on the track with riders of the same bike size and ability.
There is an ambulance and medical staff right there.
Everyone is going the same direction.
There are flaggers and people around to warn riders of danger.
It's way more dangerous for the kids to be riding down the ditch banks and canal roads where they could get hit by a truck or anyone who doesn't see them.

Is Motocross the safest thing you could do? No. But people ski into tree's and get hurt wake boarding and doing other activities all the time that aren't frowned upon like MX. All of those kids got a chance to race, some got trophies, some only raced a few times, some for a few years...but they got to line up and experience those butterflies and emotions. If it's truly something you want to do so bad I think it's unfair of your parents to withhold such an incredible life experience from you. Accidents can happen, but riding a motorcycle for the most part should be like anything....it's only as dangerous as you are dumb. Use your brain, take it easy, progress slowly, and focus on developing the correct technique and skills that will keep you safe at whatever speed you go.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
I get football, hockey, soccer, basketball, etc. high school teams but did your high school team race other schools? How exactly did it work? Was MX...
I get football, hockey, soccer, basketball, etc. high school teams but did your high school team race other schools?

How exactly did it work? Was MX so popular back then that many people raced? We had 3 guys in school that rode/race. Myself, my brother and a friend of ours. All from the same small town.
Yes, it was a league. Our team (North High) won the title all four years I was there...but certainly not because of me. Laughing

Guesstimating? We had probably 20-30 riders at the school.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
I get football, hockey, soccer, basketball, etc. high school teams but did your high school team race other schools? How exactly did it work? Was MX...
I get football, hockey, soccer, basketball, etc. high school teams but did your high school team race other schools?

How exactly did it work? Was MX so popular back then that many people raced? We had 3 guys in school that rode/race. Myself, my brother and a friend of ours. All from the same small town.
GuyB wrote:
Yes, it was a league. Our team (North High) won the title all four years I was there...but certainly not because of me. :laugh: Guesstimating? We...
Yes, it was a league. Our team (North High) won the title all four years I was there...but certainly not because of me. Laughing

Guesstimating? We had probably 20-30 riders at the school.
That's almost enough to fill the entire gate.

Teacher: How come you didn't do your homework?
Student: I couldn't, I had MX practice.

That wouldn't of work for me. Had it been hockey on the other hand, no problem.

What was the point system? How were points scored? It's not exactly like you were putting a ball/puck in a net. Olympic scoring like the MXdN? Were you competing against 1 school at a time or multiple schools? How did the racers/school line up?

I just think it's so cool. That must of been a California only thing?

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