How does Kyle have #11

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B DUB 333 3/3/2018 11:56pm
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Frank wrote:
This has NOTHING to do with Kyle.
Mikep147 wrote:
Sorry Boss i'll check with you before i post again!
Frank wrote:
No disrespect meant. Kyle did what I would do. Take advantage of a broken system for personal gain. That is my point. Fix the broken system...
No disrespect meant. Kyle did what I would do. Take advantage of a broken system for personal gain. That is my point. Fix the broken system. Run the number you earned the prior year. It worked for 35 years without a problem but someone got paid a salary to change it. lol. Again the current system is for vanity purpose only.
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wideopen198 3/4/2018 2:28am
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Frank wrote:
Not that any of our opinions mean jack shit but I really liked the rider numbers changing based on prior year combined SX and MX results...
Not that any of our opinions mean jack shit but I really liked the rider numbers changing based on prior year combined SX and MX results. This horseshit we have now is for vanity purpose only.
Mini Elsinore wrote:
100% agree----run what ya earn. Even a "new fan" can figure out you finished "17th" last year if your number is 17. If you're running higher...
100% agree----run what ya earn. Even a "new fan" can figure out you finished "17th" last year if your number is 17. If you're running higher than your number---good on you; if not----well, then....

But, someone will say:
-"It allows the riders to brand themselves!" Really? How, exactly? Feld will not allow personal rider merch at the venues and other than TLD one would be hard pressed to find any rider merch whatsoever. Hasn't really paid off for JS7 and even less so for LVN100. Roczen doesn't market himself as the "94". He prefers the "1". Dungey didn't improve his finances by running the "5"-----he, too, preferred the "1".
-"Yeah, but it worked for NASCAR!" Really? Do we want to be like the dying series known as NASCAR? I don't think so. And, how many NASCAR guys actually port "their number" to a new team? Answer--zero. The numbers are owned by the car owners (just Ask Dale Jr. about the #8 vs. #88).
-"It helps new fans identify the fast guys!" No it doesn't. The new fan doesn't have a base-line of knowledge re: numbers.

It's just like the "gotta have a semi for pit-presentation and presence, bro!" No. No, you don't---and all this type of artificial hoopla just takes away from what was a true-to-the-bone small audience sport of really dedicated and authentic enthusiasts. Constant growth is unsustainable---that's just common sense (and economic modeling). Artificial growth is worse than natural slow growth---or a downward breather. Just look at the Federal Reserve's endless zero-interest rate policy that created bubbles in multiple markets. Now, rates are edging up (oh, the horror---unless you saved your cash, then it's nirvana), and look what is happening to manufacturing numbers and economic growth (if you can dig and find the real numbers). But, nah, we gotta be like NASCAR. Semi-trucks, bro, semi-trucks.

Rant now turned off. Cool
I have another reason to not run the number of the last years finish: IT'S FREAKIN CONFUSING!! I don't want to learn a new number for a rider every year. Takes like half the season to remember who's who. Just pick a number you like and run it till you retire.... Makes things a lot easier.
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TeamGreen 3/4/2018 4:33am
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What was it Goldmember said? “Well, then there is no pleasing you!”

The career numbering system works and it’s even made it's way to Canada
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KDXGarage 3/4/2018 12:26pm
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From Mini Elsinore...

"But, someone will say:
-"It allows the riders to brand themselves!" Really? How, exactly? Feld will not allow personal rider merch at the venues and other than TLD one would be hard pressed to find any rider merch whatsoever. Hasn't really paid off for JS7 and even less so for LVN100. Roczen doesn't market himself as the "94". He prefers the "1". "

I went to the Atlanta SX last night. The Feld booth sold a variety of CR22, KR94, ET3, Cooper Webb 2, Malcolm 27 shirts / hats.

On the other side, here's a question...

What was Bob Hannah's number?
What was Jeff Ward's number?
What was David Bailey's number?
What was Broc Glover's number?

etc., etc.

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Because the AMA decided on career numbers not numbers a rider earned for the year. I hate this career number BS.
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Because hes the 11th fastest racer in the land
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KDXGarage wrote:
From Mini Elsinore... "But, someone will say: -"It allows the riders to brand themselves!" Really? How, exactly? Feld will not allow personal rider merch at the...
From Mini Elsinore...

"But, someone will say:
-"It allows the riders to brand themselves!" Really? How, exactly? Feld will not allow personal rider merch at the venues and other than TLD one would be hard pressed to find any rider merch whatsoever. Hasn't really paid off for JS7 and even less so for LVN100. Roczen doesn't market himself as the "94". He prefers the "1". "

I went to the Atlanta SX last night. The Feld booth sold a variety of CR22, KR94, ET3, Cooper Webb 2, Malcolm 27 shirts / hats.

On the other side, here's a question...

What was Bob Hannah's number?
What was Jeff Ward's number?
What was David Bailey's number?
What was Broc Glover's number?

etc., etc.
Those legends are men known by their actual name. They transcend a simple number. Kind of like Magoo---or Barnett----or RJ.

Was Michael Jordan 23 or 45?
Was Kobe 8 or 24? ....or can one simply say "Jordan" and "Kobe" without need for a number.

But, hey, some of you guys seem to prefer being identified by a number..... Huh
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KDXGarage 3/6/2018 12:07pm
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We pretty much all have smartphones now and the internet. We don't need the racer to run a number to show us what place they got last year.
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Chiz is Chiz.
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because he's fast.
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I like career number for some people. But I don’t. But do. I’m confuckted lol
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450 guys with a 450 title should get a permanent number...no one else...

And the toddler class should have separate numbering completely...
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Frank wrote:
Not that any of our opinions mean jack shit but I really liked the rider numbers changing based on prior year combined SX and MX results...
Not that any of our opinions mean jack shit but I really liked the rider numbers changing based on prior year combined SX and MX results. This horseshit we have now is for vanity purpose only.
Mini Elsinore wrote:
100% agree----run what ya earn. Even a "new fan" can figure out you finished "17th" last year if your number is 17. If you're running higher...
100% agree----run what ya earn. Even a "new fan" can figure out you finished "17th" last year if your number is 17. If you're running higher than your number---good on you; if not----well, then....

But, someone will say:
-"It allows the riders to brand themselves!" Really? How, exactly? Feld will not allow personal rider merch at the venues and other than TLD one would be hard pressed to find any rider merch whatsoever. Hasn't really paid off for JS7 and even less so for LVN100. Roczen doesn't market himself as the "94". He prefers the "1". Dungey didn't improve his finances by running the "5"-----he, too, preferred the "1".
-"Yeah, but it worked for NASCAR!" Really? Do we want to be like the dying series known as NASCAR? I don't think so. And, how many NASCAR guys actually port "their number" to a new team? Answer--zero. The numbers are owned by the car owners (just Ask Dale Jr. about the #8 vs. #88).
-"It helps new fans identify the fast guys!" No it doesn't. The new fan doesn't have a base-line of knowledge re: numbers.

It's just like the "gotta have a semi for pit-presentation and presence, bro!" No. No, you don't---and all this type of artificial hoopla just takes away from what was a true-to-the-bone small audience sport of really dedicated and authentic enthusiasts. Constant growth is unsustainable---that's just common sense (and economic modeling). Artificial growth is worse than natural slow growth---or a downward breather. Just look at the Federal Reserve's endless zero-interest rate policy that created bubbles in multiple markets. Now, rates are edging up (oh, the horror---unless you saved your cash, then it's nirvana), and look what is happening to manufacturing numbers and economic growth (if you can dig and find the real numbers). But, nah, we gotta be like NASCAR. Semi-trucks, bro, semi-trucks.

Rant now turned off. Cool
100% agree.

And to the people in charge I’d add, don’t alienate your core fans by changing the sport to what you believe might appeal to an imaginary audience who aren’t interested in the sport in the first place.
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1st East coast race in Dallas KC11 started running the 450 class. He will be back on the 250 for the shootout at Indianapolis.

How bad do you want to race???



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Mini Elsinore wrote:
100% agree----run what ya earn. Even a "new fan" can figure out you finished "17th" last year if your number is 17. If you're running higher...
100% agree----run what ya earn. Even a "new fan" can figure out you finished "17th" last year if your number is 17. If you're running higher than your number---good on you; if not----well, then....

But, someone will say:
-"It allows the riders to brand themselves!" Really? How, exactly? Feld will not allow personal rider merch at the venues and other than TLD one would be hard pressed to find any rider merch whatsoever. Hasn't really paid off for JS7 and even less so for LVN100. Roczen doesn't market himself as the "94". He prefers the "1". Dungey didn't improve his finances by running the "5"-----he, too, preferred the "1".
-"Yeah, but it worked for NASCAR!" Really? Do we want to be like the dying series known as NASCAR? I don't think so. And, how many NASCAR guys actually port "their number" to a new team? Answer--zero. The numbers are owned by the car owners (just Ask Dale Jr. about the #8 vs. #88).
-"It helps new fans identify the fast guys!" No it doesn't. The new fan doesn't have a base-line of knowledge re: numbers.

It's just like the "gotta have a semi for pit-presentation and presence, bro!" No. No, you don't---and all this type of artificial hoopla just takes away from what was a true-to-the-bone small audience sport of really dedicated and authentic enthusiasts. Constant growth is unsustainable---that's just common sense (and economic modeling). Artificial growth is worse than natural slow growth---or a downward breather. Just look at the Federal Reserve's endless zero-interest rate policy that created bubbles in multiple markets. Now, rates are edging up (oh, the horror---unless you saved your cash, then it's nirvana), and look what is happening to manufacturing numbers and economic growth (if you can dig and find the real numbers). But, nah, we gotta be like NASCAR. Semi-trucks, bro, semi-trucks.

Rant now turned off. Cool
Thank you for sparing me from having to type all of that out myself.
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aees wrote:
I hate when they change number every year. At least now you get a chance to follow and pick up new riders. Otherwise you have to...
I hate when they change number every year. At least now you get a chance to follow and pick up new riders. Otherwise you have to focus on learning the top 20 every year, in 2 classes in us and 2 internationally.

It has major impact on recognition. Seven duece duece is excellent example.

It works great if you ask me.
22 Reed
4 charmichael
94 roczen
5 dungey
722 enticknap
222 cairoli
84 Herlings
7 Stewart
99 anstie

List can go on. Say one of the above that has not benefit from this?
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Agreed 100%. Travis Pastrana 199 is another i love a number associating with a rider. 4 is RC to me. Not Bagget. 2 is MC to...
Agreed 100%.

Travis Pastrana 199 is another i love a number associating with a rider.

4 is RC to me. Not Bagget.
2 is MC to me. Not RV or Webb.

Obviously I know who runs these numbers now. But previous riders were more iconic. Even worse when the brands match up too.
i disagree about MC being the real number 2. his legacy was built using the number 1, not the number 2. he only had a couple years success with the number 2.

RV however IS number 2, just like RC is number 4.

that said....

the current numbering system sucks
Frank Tuesday 3/7/2018 2:58pm
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Just let them pick any unclaimed number when they turn pro. That's your number for your whole career unless you're defending champ, then you get to use the 1. If you feel compelled to offer a way for previous champs to show off, give them a gold number plate or stripe or something.

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mattyhamz2 3/7/2018 3:51pm
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RichieW13 wrote:
Semi-related question: how did Ryan Sipes earn 13 points and #98 for 2018?

https://www.vitalmx.com/features/2018-AMA-National-Number-Projections-R…
Because somehow some of these guys racing only manage a couple points a year and his one or two rounds that he raced earned him enough points to be in the top 100 overall.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Because somehow some of these guys racing only manage a couple points a year and his one or two rounds that he raced earned him enough...
Because somehow some of these guys racing only manage a couple points a year and his one or two rounds that he raced earned him enough points to be in the top 100 overall.
Ryan Sipes didn't earn any points last year.

I dug a little more. It's actually THOMAS Sipes who earned #98. AMA just typed in the wrong name: https://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Home/News-Story/american-motorcycl…

Final 2017 MX Points:
http://www.americanmotocrossresults.com/xml/MX/events/M1760/M1F2POINTS…
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RichieW13 wrote:
Semi-related question: how did Ryan Sipes earn 13 points and #98 for 2018?

https://www.vitalmx.com/features/2018-AMA-National-Number-Projections-R…
He raced the last round in Indiana and those 13 points were enough for him to earn 98 for 2018.

Edit: He raced High Point and finished 15th overall with 14-15 moto scores.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/2017-06-17/450/high-point-raceway

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/ryan-sipes/points
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RichieW13 3/7/2018 4:17pm
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He raced the last round in Indiana and those 13 points were enough for him to earn 98 for 2018. Edit: He raced High Point and...
He raced the last round in Indiana and those 13 points were enough for him to earn 98 for 2018.

Edit: He raced High Point and finished 15th overall with 14-15 moto scores.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/2017-06-17/450/high-point-raceway

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/ryan-sipes/points
Apparently Thomas Sipes = Ryan Sipes

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/I-missed-something-Thoma…

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