Make the Triple Crown permanent and add in the Chase

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.kyle 3/4/2018 8:09am
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I'm indifferent towards the TC idea, but it needs to be on interesting tracks - like Tampa last week. I definitely think it'd be cool to have at Daytona simply because that tends to be a tough race. Also at the East/West shootout.

If I had to pick a format however, I would keep it at 1 moto - the less SX the better.
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karsmakers 3/4/2018 8:16am
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Amazing night of racing...but i would go to two motos, less carnage and its easy to know where you stand
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mx617 3/4/2018 8:51am
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Brett_Clark wrote:
I don't know how anyone can say the racing was uneventful. The 3rd 250 main was amazing. The overall had 4 different possible winners through the...
I don't know how anyone can say the racing was uneventful. The 3rd 250 main was amazing. The overall had 4 different possible winners through the race and forkner won it with a last lap pass on Hampshire. How can you call that uneventful? The 450 races were all action packed as well. You guys need to let go off the old days and be open minded. Our sport needs something new and the Triple Crown has been what supercross needs. It gives more scenarios for the outcomes. How many 20lap/20min mains have been won from a holeshot since 1985? A lot. Everyone says the third mains have less intensity but I see no difference from the traditional main to the 3rd main in the title Crown. The field gets spread out and everyone follows each other. The first two races are what make the Triple Crown great. Everyone sprints hard and then ride for the overall in the third main. I was on the edge of my seat the whole show and couldn't of asked for better racing.
I don't think anyone is saying it was uneventful, just that the good racing wasn't due to the format. Coincidence, not cause.
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mx617 3/4/2018 8:52am
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One thing that was better than last time is the flow of the TV program. Watched it live on the international stream and it want nearly as dragged out.

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ProKawi24 3/4/2018 9:12am
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I absolutely love the Triple Crown format. I for one thought it provided a lot of intense racing through the whole night just like the first time they did it earlier this year. I can understand how tough it is to wind down after the first main and get the heart rate back up for the 2nd, then down again, then up again for the 3rd....but if this format was every week I strongly believe these guys would adapt. Their whole training/practice program would change to get more accustomed to this.

I'm also not against using the outdoor format instead, having 2 motos. Either way, I'm just simply not a big fan of the single main event in SX. For years I wanted a change in the SX format and finally we get a taste with the Triple crown. In my honest opinion, I'd rather have every SX event be 2 mains with a few Triple Crown events thrown in, or just make every SX race Triple Crown.
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Paul333 3/4/2018 9:15am
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brimx153 wrote:
Yes to triple crown .big nooooo to the chase
I agree 100%
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NV825 3/4/2018 9:31am
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6 different winners last night. This is what the sport needs.

I do think they need to change the name to motos or something else. It's amateur hour for new fans to try and understand why one week the main event counts towards points and the record book for a win, and then it doesn't another.

No to the chase for now. I'd like to see the triple crown format at all races for a year or two to see how that does with keeping the series close and interesting.
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Ted722 3/4/2018 9:47am
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akillerwombat wrote:
Said it in bench racing but the triple crown is fucking without foreplay. It's fantastic in a pinch but we've got three hours to enjoy this...
Said it in bench racing but the triple crown is fucking without foreplay.

It's fantastic in a pinch but we've got three hours to enjoy this show... let's enjoy it properly.
Six Time concurs! Grinning
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Radman66 3/4/2018 10:25am
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Here's a concept: heat races, LCQ, main event. Whoever gets to the finish line first wins the race. This triple crown is god awful
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akillerwombat 3/4/2018 10:38am
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akillerwombat wrote:
Said it in bench racing but the triple crown is fucking without foreplay. It's fantastic in a pinch but we've got three hours to enjoy this...
Said it in bench racing but the triple crown is fucking without foreplay.

It's fantastic in a pinch but we've got three hours to enjoy this show... let's enjoy it properly.
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Six Time concurs! Grinning
Haha, how the hell did you remember that?!

But in all seriousness, this triple crown is awful from a narrative stand point. There is a reason every sport is designed for follow / allow for the a 3 act structure. Even the Roman's knew not to throw their best gladiators against each other in the first fight.
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Ted722 3/4/2018 10:50am
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akillerwombat wrote:
Said it in bench racing but the triple crown is fucking without foreplay. It's fantastic in a pinch but we've got three hours to enjoy this...
Said it in bench racing but the triple crown is fucking without foreplay.

It's fantastic in a pinch but we've got three hours to enjoy this show... let's enjoy it properly.
Ted722 wrote:
Six Time concurs! Grinning
akillerwombat wrote:
Haha, how the hell did you remember that?! But in all seriousness, this triple crown is awful from a narrative stand point. There is a reason...
Haha, how the hell did you remember that?!

But in all seriousness, this triple crown is awful from a narrative stand point. There is a reason every sport is designed for follow / allow for the a 3 act structure. Even the Roman's knew not to throw their best gladiators against each other in the first fight.
I stumbled on it. My ADHD took me back a few decades to the track reporters of yesteryear (based on a few other threads here) Hurricane, Bruce Penhall, Davey Coombs, etc. That was the night of McGrath's first win. After the race it looked like the new classmate took Stanton's lunch money! https://youtu.be/eYbZieMNFzE?t=2761
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philG 3/4/2018 10:57am
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Kills it for anyone on the bubble, because only half the guys make the night show.. sponsors are hard enough to come by as it is.

So no , and no.
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bultokid 3/4/2018 11:29am
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HELL no to The Chase, that's for the Participation Ribbon Crew
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Premixed112 3/4/2018 11:37am
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bultokid wrote:
HELL no to The Chase, that's for the Participation Ribbon Crew
Uhhhh not exactly. You still have to race. You aren’t awarded a championship podium finish like a participation ribbon.. You guys that say shit like that need to get a new talking point, because that one is SO tired.
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BigDaddyG 3/4/2018 11:39am
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Hell no to the full time triple crown format. Hell yes that something needs to be done with the points and I do agree with Blair on his assessment. He is the most knowledgeable on the situation out of anyone in the sport.

As it sits right now, the championship was wrapped up by the 4th round as long as Anderson just cruises around in the top 5.
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yak651 3/4/2018 1:03pm
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Should score points for each "main" that count towards the championship and same scoring used to determine the overall winner. Would give more incentive to move up in the last "moto" instead of settling once you know what your overall is
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Racer111 3/4/2018 2:06pm
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I actually hate the whole triple crown racing. Sorry. I can tell the majority of the riders don’t like it either.

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Indy mxer 3/4/2018 2:21pm
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To me the triple crown is exciting, and the racing is pretty intense. Unlike the 20 lap snoozefests we usually get.

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Wells423 3/4/2018 2:22pm
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Rhody wrote:
2 kinds of no- Hell No and Fuck No!
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Villo2fan 3/4/2018 6:49pm
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You guys honestly think one guy will run away with the series if they implemented the 3 race main for every round? If they do the triple crown, IMO there’s no need for a chase.
Brownstone322 3/4/2018 7:33pm
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Dear god, please stop calling it a "chase." That was a stupid NASCAR term -- not a generic one -- and even they don't use it anymore.
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bultokid 3/4/2018 7:47pm
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bultokid wrote:
HELL no to The Chase, that's for the Participation Ribbon Crew
Premixed112 wrote:
Uhhhh not exactly. You still have to race. You aren’t awarded a championship podium finish like a participation ribbon.. You guys that say shit like that...
Uhhhh not exactly. You still have to race. You aren’t awarded a championship podium finish like a participation ribbon.. You guys that say shit like that need to get a new talking point, because that one is SO tired.
Leave it the way it's always been, EVERY race counts....The Chase works for Napcar with its 30+ race season
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Dang It 3/4/2018 8:44pm
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Triple Crown every round all the way. I love watching Supercross as much as the next guy but one 20 minute main gets very boring usually after 5 to 10 minutes. I can't believe that some people don't like the Triple crown. It might be a bit confusing for the most casual of watchers but I don't think that the casual watcher would tune in very often.
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redrider400 3/4/2018 10:16pm
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Premixed112 wrote:
And then Supercross will be perfect
Agreed! I love the triple crown format. I wonder what the general consensus is from the riders.
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brimx153 3/4/2018 10:46pm
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redrider400 wrote:
Agreed! I love the triple crown format. I wonder what the general consensus is from the riders.
Imo it does nt matter what the riders think ( I really think they hate it ) .It should be done to make a better show . End of the day it's entertainment. Riders and teams are too bias .They get there way too much . Ie if you asked reed what each track should be like he would have 4 whoop lanes at each track .If you asked MM25 he would say small whoop s make for better racing
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Martini637 3/5/2018 3:36am
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Just no to both, if you think this is what will bring new fans into to the sport you are wrong. My wife had some friends over and i ask the husbands if they wanna watch SX, to which out of the 4, 3 had never watched a race. After the 2nd moto of the 250s the tv was on basketball. Zero interest, having to explain he didnt really win hes got 2 more races, there is a point system really turned them off to it. One guy asked why the races were so short? This is not gonna gonna put more butts in seats or eyes on the tv. Even myself i dont like this format, i much rather have the build up to the main event
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Taotech 3/5/2018 4:03am
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Triple crown with huge prize money on each race would be even more exciting.
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DE262 3/5/2018 7:34am
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The triple crown format is very difficult to work with.

The riders hate it. So do the mechanics-
The teams have little to no time for turn-arounds between races. At certain tracks where the paddock is a ways away from the track, this a real pain in the ass. Especially for privateers or lower tier teams that don't have factory golf carts and shit to haul everything back and forth. Throw in the added security measures that we've been seeing in the tunnels lately, and it pretty much eats up the time between races with that alone- forget actually having time to make any changes to the bike, re-fuel, data, etc.

This can make for a wore out rider by the time the 2nd main rolls around- let alone the 3rd.
Then you couple this with the fact that the races are shorter, so everybody feels the direct need to come out at a super balls-out sprint speed, things can lean towards carnage.

Sure it may make things more exciting to watch as far as more races go, but it can turn into a nightmare real quick.

Is it really "good" for racing?

Just my angle...

Carry on.
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Springcreek 3/5/2018 8:52am
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Oh dear God no. Did none of you see the way everyone just settled in for the last race? Ando pretty much gave up and just...
Oh dear God no. Did none of you see the way everyone just settled in for the last race? Ando pretty much gave up and just cruised. Last race of the night should be most exciting, not when you get out early to beat the traffic.
How about making the 2nd moto worth more and the 3rd moto worth the most?

1st in first moto = 3 points, 4 for second, 5 for 3rd etc
1st in second moto = 2 points
1st in third moto = 1 point

of course the 3rd moto is also the tie breaker.

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