That horrible 2018 Suzuki...

Black Diesel Bomber 2/26/2018 8:41pm
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:whistle: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/26/246341/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/26/246342/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
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She's a beauty. I personally love that big fart can. To me, the fart can represents the 4 stroke, just like the big head pipe represents the 2 stroke.

Maybe I should run a supertrapp on mine, lol!
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If these bikes are so great. How come my bike that cost 7600 wouldn't sell for more than 3000 a year later?
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If these bikes are so great. How come my bike that cost 7600 wouldn't sell for more than 3000 a year later?
That tells me you should buy a used one and use your $4600 on the tables in Vegas....double your money and then invest it. Let someone else take the hit.
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Construction wrote:
If you think they’re hurting you should probably look up the financials then look up the financials of Yamaha kawie and ktm and tell us again...
If you think they’re hurting you should probably look up the financials then look up the financials of Yamaha kawie and ktm and tell us again who is hurting
RCMXracing wrote:
Suzuki Corp has a lot of debt. Just doesn’t seem like Suzuki is knocking it out of the park with giving up on the US auto...
Suzuki Corp has a lot of debt. Just doesn’t seem like Suzuki is knocking it out of the park with giving up on the US auto market and a bringing a half updated dirtbike after 10 years...kinda weak. I don’t care about “winning Vital”...I’m out of my depth looking at financials as an expert, but I can google and - (minus) 24.64 Billion in cash seems bad. Year over year not as profitable as Yamaha or Honda, but better than Kaw and KTM. Looks like they’re on the comeback trail. Maybe one of our Vital experts can point some facts out?
Edit: The KTM financials are a quarter older than others, but dang! Look at the earnings per share (EPS) 3,260%










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They had a net profit of 1.5 billion Yamaha 600 mill ktm had a net profit of 70 something’s my mill. Not sure how you got...
They had a net profit of 1.5 billion Yamaha 600 mill ktm had a net profit of 70 something’s my mill. Not sure how you got your numbers. Here’s another their net profit every single year is higher than ktm kawie and Yamaha combined every year.
I get my numbers from a simple search on google, financials are public record. A bigger dinosaur makes a bigger footprint, percent matters not the number. If you read my post I say Suzuki looks like they’re on the upswing. This is a good thing! I know for a fact there are some visor wearing pencil pushing guys on Vital that could really analyze the financials of the big five. I’m talking a full analysis. It’s easy to pick and choose. Curious as to the comparative health of all of them.
But more interested in seeing what guys are doing to mod their ‘18s. Cool

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I would push a broken tricycle before I rode one, just sayin’.
MJC wrote:
Yeah, but you seem like a bit of a fuckin idiot, just sayin'
Most of us couldn't ride that bike as fast as it can go anyway....which has been said. If that were my option as a pro and had backing/contingency there would be RMArmy everywhere!!!
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Only Parts from production 450 on the trick JGR bike is the frame, crank, engine cases and swingarm.
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I would push a broken tricycle before I rode one, just sayin’.
MJC wrote:
Yeah, but you seem like a bit of a fuckin idiot, just sayin'
Bramlett321 wrote:
Most of us couldn't ride that bike as fast as it can go anyway....which has been said. If that were my option as a pro and...
Most of us couldn't ride that bike as fast as it can go anyway....which has been said. If that were my option as a pro and had backing/contingency there would be RMArmy everywhere!!!
If an RM was my was option as a pro, I’d run down the start straight with a pair of Pro Tapers in my hand...
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RCMXracing wrote:
Suzuki Corp has a lot of debt. Just doesn’t seem like Suzuki is knocking it out of the park with giving up on the US auto...
Suzuki Corp has a lot of debt. Just doesn’t seem like Suzuki is knocking it out of the park with giving up on the US auto market and a bringing a half updated dirtbike after 10 years...kinda weak. I don’t care about “winning Vital”...I’m out of my depth looking at financials as an expert, but I can google and - (minus) 24.64 Billion in cash seems bad. Year over year not as profitable as Yamaha or Honda, but better than Kaw and KTM. Looks like they’re on the comeback trail. Maybe one of our Vital experts can point some facts out?
Edit: The KTM financials are a quarter older than others, but dang! Look at the earnings per share (EPS) 3,260%










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They had a net profit of 1.5 billion Yamaha 600 mill ktm had a net profit of 70 something’s my mill. Not sure how you got...
They had a net profit of 1.5 billion Yamaha 600 mill ktm had a net profit of 70 something’s my mill. Not sure how you got your numbers. Here’s another their net profit every single year is higher than ktm kawie and Yamaha combined every year.
RCMXracing wrote:
I get my numbers from a simple search on google, financials are public record. A bigger dinosaur makes a bigger footprint, percent matters not the number...
I get my numbers from a simple search on google, financials are public record. A bigger dinosaur makes a bigger footprint, percent matters not the number. If you read my post I say Suzuki looks like they’re on the upswing. This is a good thing! I know for a fact there are some visor wearing pencil pushing guys on Vital that could really analyze the financials of the big five. I’m talking a full analysis. It’s easy to pick and choose. Curious as to the comparative health of all of them.
But more interested in seeing what guys are doing to mod their ‘18s. Cool
Exactly they are public and their public numbers say they have made more than yammi kawie and ktm combined every year., most years by double combined. I guess I should have said you need to learn how to read the financials. You’re tying to make up numbers and pct to help yourself. It’s black and white net income. Which company makes the most
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RCMXracing wrote:
Suzuki Corp has a lot of debt. Just doesn’t seem like Suzuki is knocking it out of the park with giving up on the US auto...
Suzuki Corp has a lot of debt. Just doesn’t seem like Suzuki is knocking it out of the park with giving up on the US auto market and a bringing a half updated dirtbike after 10 years...kinda weak. I don’t care about “winning Vital”...I’m out of my depth looking at financials as an expert, but I can google and - (minus) 24.64 Billion in cash seems bad. Year over year not as profitable as Yamaha or Honda, but better than Kaw and KTM. Looks like they’re on the comeback trail. Maybe one of our Vital experts can point some facts out?
Edit: The KTM financials are a quarter older than others, but dang! Look at the earnings per share (EPS) 3,260%










Construction wrote:
They had a net profit of 1.5 billion Yamaha 600 mill ktm had a net profit of 70 something’s my mill. Not sure how you got...
They had a net profit of 1.5 billion Yamaha 600 mill ktm had a net profit of 70 something’s my mill. Not sure how you got your numbers. Here’s another their net profit every single year is higher than ktm kawie and Yamaha combined every year.
RCMXracing wrote:
I get my numbers from a simple search on google, financials are public record. A bigger dinosaur makes a bigger footprint, percent matters not the number...
I get my numbers from a simple search on google, financials are public record. A bigger dinosaur makes a bigger footprint, percent matters not the number. If you read my post I say Suzuki looks like they’re on the upswing. This is a good thing! I know for a fact there are some visor wearing pencil pushing guys on Vital that could really analyze the financials of the big five. I’m talking a full analysis. It’s easy to pick and choose. Curious as to the comparative health of all of them.
But more interested in seeing what guys are doing to mod their ‘18s. Cool
I will help you with Suzuki and Yamaha read the net income line that’s money made every year. Suzuki isn’t making a comeback like you said they have been destroying them for years. http://financials.morningstar.com/ratios/r.html?t=7269



http://financials.morningstar.com/ratios/r.html?t=7272
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Its a great bike for under $7k out the door new. I think the JGR bikes are the best looking in the pits. Might just be...
Its a great bike for under $7k out the door new. I think the JGR bikes are the best looking in the pits. Might just be that they don't look like energy drink cans.
Where you finding a new one for UNDER 7 OTD
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BobPA wrote:
If an RM was my was option as a pro, I’d run down the start straight with a pair of Pro Tapers in my hand...
Pro Tapers? I'd rather try my chances with my thumbs nipped down in the handle bar clamps.
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If any of you stupid squids could ride you'd know it's not the bike. Stupid vital mx is huge.
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Little brother just picked one up for $6899 otd last weekend
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At the price you can buy these turds for it’s kind of hard to argue against it.
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mxer613 wrote:
Little brother just picked one up for $6899 otd last weekend
That’s what a new dirtbike should cost! Where? Was this a hookup connection deal, or could any stooge get that deal?
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mxer613 wrote:
Little brother just picked one up for $6899 otd last weekend
RCMXracing wrote:
That’s what a new dirtbike should cost! Where? Was this a hookup connection deal, or could any stooge get that deal?
Portland Oregon, both Suzuki dealers are selling them for $6899 and 2018 kx450’s are $6499 otd, no sales tax either!
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mxer613 wrote:
Little brother just picked one up for $6899 otd last weekend
RCMXracing wrote:
That’s what a new dirtbike should cost! Where? Was this a hookup connection deal, or could any stooge get that deal?
mxer613 wrote:
Portland Oregon, both Suzuki dealers are selling them for $6899 and 2018 kx450’s are $6499 otd, no sales tax either!
That’s sweet. RM Army. Plenty of bandwidth to upgrade.
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Anonymous wrote:
At the price you can buy these turds for it’s kind of hard to argue against it.
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! Pinch

KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the top spot in the most annoying owners category.

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Anonymous wrote:
At the price you can buy these turds for it’s kind of hard to argue against it.
malachi177 wrote:
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! :pinch: KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the...
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! Pinch

KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the top spot in the most annoying owners category.
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week

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Anonymous wrote:
At the price you can buy these turds for it’s kind of hard to argue against it.
malachi177 wrote:
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! :pinch: KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the...
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! Pinch

KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the top spot in the most annoying owners category.
mxer613 wrote:
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/28/246642/s1200_34650EA0_CBB8_47F4_9C27_7208560A9744.jpg[/img]
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week

Thats a sik yzf,. Ride comparison plz. What made you switch?
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Anonymous wrote:
At the price you can buy these turds for it’s kind of hard to argue against it.
malachi177 wrote:
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! :pinch: KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the...
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! Pinch

KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the top spot in the most annoying owners category.
mxer613 wrote:
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/28/246642/s1200_34650EA0_CBB8_47F4_9C27_7208560A9744.jpg[/img]
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week

Sweet! My riding buddy has a '14, and is really considering getting the '18 because the cornering is supposed to be way better.
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Anonymous wrote:
At the price you can buy these turds for it’s kind of hard to argue against it.
malachi177 wrote:
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! :pinch: KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the...
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! Pinch

KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the top spot in the most annoying owners category.
We all know Harley’s ain’t winning any drag races.
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malachi177 wrote:
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! :pinch: KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the...
Ah yes, another negative Suzuki comment....from a KTM rider, what a surprise! Pinch

KTM riders and Harley riders are now in a drag race for the top spot in the most annoying owners category.
mxer613 wrote:
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/28/246642/s1200_34650EA0_CBB8_47F4_9C27_7208560A9744.jpg[/img]
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week

mxb2 wrote:
Thats a sik yzf,. Ride comparison plz. What made you switch?
The suspension mainly, and just sitting on it felt right, can’t wait to rip it
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mxer613 wrote:
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/28/246642/s1200_34650EA0_CBB8_47F4_9C27_7208560A9744.jpg[/img]
I just traded my 2016 Ktm factory edition 450 for this last week

mxb2 wrote:
Thats a sik yzf,. Ride comparison plz. What made you switch?
mxer613 wrote:
The suspension mainly, and just sitting on it felt right, can’t wait to rip it
Nice man, congrats. Keep us posted.
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4 pages of Suzuki arguments and 2 Suzuki owners. It's like deja vu
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mxer613 wrote:
Little brother just picked one up for $6899 otd last weekend
RCMXracing wrote:
That’s what a new dirtbike should cost! Where? Was this a hookup connection deal, or could any stooge get that deal?
mxer613 wrote:
Portland Oregon, both Suzuki dealers are selling them for $6899 and 2018 kx450’s are $6499 otd, no sales tax either!
That's OTD price all fees are included??Freight,setup. What's the dealer name I'm ready to buy one.
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RCMXracing wrote:
That’s what a new dirtbike should cost! Where? Was this a hookup connection deal, or could any stooge get that deal?
mxer613 wrote:
Portland Oregon, both Suzuki dealers are selling them for $6899 and 2018 kx450’s are $6499 otd, no sales tax either!
TRAVO 67 wrote:
That's OTD price all fees are included??Freight,setup. What's the dealer name I'm ready to buy one.
Beaverton Motorcycles and Motosport Hillsboro, no freight or setup or sales tax, $6899 out the door, my Yamaha was $7999 otd.
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Crush wrote:
Hill is definitely riding a stocker right?
Indy mxer wrote:
Duh! I think we all know that [u]none[/u] of the bikes are close to stock. This thread was meant for all the naysayers that say the...
Duh!
I think we all know that none of the bikes are close to stock.

This thread was meant for all the naysayers that say the Suzuki's are junk and can't compete.

Haven't heard from them in a while.
Crush wrote:
Hence why even bother with the post. If you’re posting thinking these bikes are similar to what you can drop 9k on and race, then you’re...
Hence why even bother with the post. If you’re posting thinking these bikes are similar to what you can drop 9k on and race, then you’re a re-re. Don’t feed the dopiness bro!
Bbbbuuuuuttttt..... hold up! People all over America bought in to KTM because Ryan Dungey started winning on one?!
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Bruce372 wrote:
If these bikes are so great. How come my bike that cost 7600 wouldn't sell for more than 3000 a year later?
The resale value has little to nothing to do with how good a bike is.

The RMZs are relatively cheap brand new. This is due to lack in popularity, not because it's bad.
The potential buyer of your bike has the choice to either A) save his cash. $$$$ takes a lot of saving.
Or Cool Go to the dealership and sign on the dotted line for a new one which as mentioned is relatively cheap.

If he's going to be tempted by your year old model, it better be cheap.
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Bbbbuuuuuttttt..... hold up! People all over America bought in to KTM because Ryan Dungey started winning on one?!
Yeah, that's it. Whistling
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