Roczen out for 2018???

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BobKerr 2/11/2018 4:52am
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Gus wrote:
What ended up with Webb? He finished 7 laps down, did he have a bike problem ? Was Webb hurt?
It looked like he pulled into the pits more than once to try and straighten the front end.
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Martini637 2/11/2018 4:59am
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This is what happens when you let your emotion get the best of you, just a dumb move from Roczen thats gonna set him back again.
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lo95co380 2/11/2018 5:31am
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he did the same thing ac did in houston? got too much traction and looped out. might have been going for the take out but not like that.
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JWACK 2/11/2018 5:43am
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Looked like he just didn't have a finger on the clutch to manage the front wheel when it started coming up.. I'm no roczen by any means but it looks like that would have been avoidable with a simple clutch slip.

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Markee 2/11/2018 5:48am
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That same piece of ass still causing problems. Unbelievable
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brapgod69 wrote:
You Roczen fanboys are something else.. this was 100% his fault. Webb did absolutely nothing wrong.
Webb is not innocent, he definitely brake checked Roczen forcing him to adjust his line.
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BobPA 2/11/2018 6:08am
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brapgod69 wrote:
You Roczen fanboys are something else.. this was 100% his fault. Webb did absolutely nothing wrong.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Webb is not innocent, he definitely brake checked Roczen forcing him to adjust his line.
Lay off the devils lettuce man.

There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew it, plain and simple.
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brapgod69 wrote:
You Roczen fanboys are something else.. this was 100% his fault. Webb did absolutely nothing wrong.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Webb is not innocent, he definitely brake checked Roczen forcing him to adjust his line.
BobPA wrote:
Lay off the devils lettuce man. There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew...
Lay off the devils lettuce man.

There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew it, plain and simple.
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
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BobPA 2/11/2018 6:16am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Webb is not innocent, he definitely brake checked Roczen forcing him to adjust his line.
BobPA wrote:
Lay off the devils lettuce man. There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew...
Lay off the devils lettuce man.

There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew it, plain and simple.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take your number 94 glasses off man, Kenny caused that 100%
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mx317 2/11/2018 6:18am
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Webb got pretty aggressive with him in the corner before.
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BobPA 2/11/2018 6:29am
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Webb got pretty aggressive with him in the corner before.
Looked like a pretty standard block pass to me?
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Johnny Depp 2/11/2018 6:41am
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BobPA wrote:
Lay off the devils lettuce man. There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew...
Lay off the devils lettuce man.

There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew it, plain and simple.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
BobPA wrote:
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take...
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take your number 94 glasses off man, Kenny caused that 100%
The video on page 2 cuts out Webb's rear wheel right when it happens. Try this one at 16 seconds and you'll see the knobs clearly not spinning. Whether Webb was trying to bring his bike into the rut, or avoid KR94's block pass or brake check him is debatable, but his rear wheel being locked up is not.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ken-roczen-crashes-hard-injures-arm-in-s…

Bob, this is just a discussion on a forum, let's not make it personal.

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BobPA 2/11/2018 6:53am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
BobPA wrote:
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take...
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take your number 94 glasses off man, Kenny caused that 100%
Johnny Depp wrote:
The video on page 2 cuts out Webb's rear wheel right when it happens. Try this one at 16 seconds and you'll see the knobs clearly...
The video on page 2 cuts out Webb's rear wheel right when it happens. Try this one at 16 seconds and you'll see the knobs clearly not spinning. Whether Webb was trying to bring his bike into the rut, or avoid KR94's block pass or brake check him is debatable, but his rear wheel being locked up is not.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ken-roczen-crashes-hard-injures-arm-in-s…

Bob, this is just a discussion on a forum, let's not make it personal.

I actually just rewatched the broadcast and you can see him lock it up for a millisecond...looks like he is just briefly settling the bike. Nothing personal man, just saying it was not a break check like you are claiming in multiple threads.
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Johnny Depp 2/11/2018 7:03am
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BobPA wrote:
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take...
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take your number 94 glasses off man, Kenny caused that 100%
Johnny Depp wrote:
The video on page 2 cuts out Webb's rear wheel right when it happens. Try this one at 16 seconds and you'll see the knobs clearly...
The video on page 2 cuts out Webb's rear wheel right when it happens. Try this one at 16 seconds and you'll see the knobs clearly not spinning. Whether Webb was trying to bring his bike into the rut, or avoid KR94's block pass or brake check him is debatable, but his rear wheel being locked up is not.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ken-roczen-crashes-hard-injures-arm-in-s…

Bob, this is just a discussion on a forum, let's not make it personal.

BobPA wrote:
I actually just rewatched the broadcast and you can see him lock it up for a millisecond...looks like he is just briefly settling the bike. Nothing...
I actually just rewatched the broadcast and you can see him lock it up for a millisecond...looks like he is just briefly settling the bike. Nothing personal man, just saying it was not a break check like you are claiming in multiple threads.
Webb didn't fully check up on the binders to avoid a block pass, and most riders trying to settle a bike into a rut will do it at corner entry, not 3/4 of the way through.

Webb's correction narrowed the already close margin KR94 was working with and Kenny clearly adjusted and lost it at that point. These things are dissected online frame by frame, and happen in real life in the blink of an eye. No doubt Roczen was charging, but knowing the feud between these 2 and seeing that move by Webb, brake check was the 1st thing that popped into my mind. It's a dirty trick that is seldom recognized, and in this case it backfired for Webb as it brought KR into his bars.
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Gixxxerboy 2/11/2018 7:04am
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Uhhhhh remember when Friese took Pike out in 2016 and Pike beat the shit outta him on the track? Too bad Web was hurt too, cuz that’s what shoulda happened!!! Bitch move by Roczen!!! You can slo mo that crap all you want. Seems to me Roczen couldn’t handle getting passed by Web and dumpin in his girl LMFAO
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BobPA 2/11/2018 7:06am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Webb didn't fully check up on the binders to avoid a block pass, and most riders trying to settle a bike into a rut will do...
Webb didn't fully check up on the binders to avoid a block pass, and most riders trying to settle a bike into a rut will do it at corner entry, not 3/4 of the way through.

Webb's correction narrowed the already close margin KR94 was working with and Kenny clearly adjusted and lost it at that point. These things are dissected online frame by frame, and happen in real life in the blink of an eye. No doubt Roczen was charging, but knowing the feud between these 2 and seeing that move by Webb, brake check was the 1st thing that popped into my mind. It's a dirty trick that is seldom recognized, and in this case it backfired for Webb as it brought KR into his bars.
We will just have to agree to disagree. It just looks like you are really stretching to try and blame Webb on this one.
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Gus 2/11/2018 7:22am
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Any other night, Roczen would’ve blown Coops doors off and just dropped him,bye, gone, which Kenny has done every race this year. Last night Cooper was faster than Kenny. Coop won the heat, then passed Kenny in the main. Roczen was trying to put it back on him and screwed it up. So , can we start “Webb is in Kenny’s Head” thread?
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Gus wrote:
Any other night, Roczen would’ve blown Coops doors off and just dropped him,bye, gone, which Kenny has done every race this year. Last night Cooper was...
Any other night, Roczen would’ve blown Coops doors off and just dropped him,bye, gone, which Kenny has done every race this year. Last night Cooper was faster than Kenny. Coop won the heat, then passed Kenny in the main. Roczen was trying to put it back on him and screwed it up. So , can we start “Webb is in Kenny’s Head” thread?
Fan boy delusion. Real news.
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BobPA wrote:
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take...
Second page of this thread the video is posted. I just watch it at least 5 times and saw no brake check whatsoever. Need to take your number 94 glasses off man, Kenny caused that 100%
How can you think you know 100% from a tv, a fooking TV!. Sheese man, the only people that know 100% are CW and KR and they will most likely have different takes on it anyway....Everyone one else is just speculating..
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Gus 2/11/2018 8:04am
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The problem with frame by frame is that, well you see exactly what happened but not what they were thinking. He made is mind up in the whoops to take it back to Webb. It took ~0.5 second to make that corner, break is hand, almost lose his good arm. Frame by frame, 10 seconds to see what happened. 0.5 second to make it happen.
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TeamGreen 2/11/2018 8:39am
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“Racing Incident” by a guy that was trying to get to the front.

Oh, and, by the way, AGAIN...it’s racig. Shit happens.

All I am concerned with is WHEN will he be back.

Period.

“Dude, it’s all about the racing.”
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Webb is not innocent, he definitely brake checked Roczen forcing him to adjust his line.
BobPA wrote:
Lay off the devils lettuce man. There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew...
Lay off the devils lettuce man.

There is a perfect angle of the incident in slowmo...and nowhere does Webb brake check him at all. Kenny blew it, plain and simple.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
Watch the video and see Cooper clearly lock up the rear.
If Webb does not lock up the brake he cleans out Roczen. Perfect block pass with no contact.
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agn5009 2/11/2018 8:57am
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brapgod69 wrote:
You Roczen fanboys are something else.. this was 100% his fault. Webb did absolutely nothing wrong.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Webb is not innocent, he definitely brake checked Roczen forcing him to adjust his line.
So.... You're saying Webb passed him?
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Gus wrote:
The problem with frame by frame is that, well you see exactly what happened but not what they were thinking. He made is mind up in...
The problem with frame by frame is that, well you see exactly what happened but not what they were thinking. He made is mind up in the whoops to take it back to Webb. It took ~0.5 second to make that corner, break is hand, almost lose his good arm. Frame by frame, 10 seconds to see what happened. 0.5 second to make it happen.
This. People over analyze from those slowmo videos. Roczen came in hot, and there was no turning back from that.
Webb was clearly in Roczens head, if it was Brayton there or Marvin, he would have not made that wrong decision.


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Fourth_Floor 2/11/2018 9:17am
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Am I the only one that gained some respect for Webb after that incident? Put yourself in his position, how freaking easy it would have been to haul off and smack Ken in the head. He looked back at him, noticed he was injured, and went about his business getting his bike back up and on his way. That took a shit ton of self control in my opinion. I don't think I'd have kept my cool in that situation, especially having personal animosity towards the guy. Well done Coop!! Roczen did nothing but make an ass of himself and Team Honda.
qontusolsson 2/11/2018 9:43am
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From transworld: "We have talked with Team Honda HRC following Ken Roczen’s crash in the 450 Main Event at the 2018 San Diego Supercross. From what the team has told us, Roczen said that he thought he may have gotten on the throttle too soon and caught the rut that was in the bowl turn, which is why the bike rocketed out from underneath him and into Cooper Webb. Roczen then fell into the rear-wheel of Webb’s Monster Energy/Knich/Yamaha Factory Racing motorcycle and injured his hand in the moving rear wheel."
qontusolsson 2/11/2018 9:45am
2/11/2018 9:45am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2018 9:48am
There was clearly no contact before he looped out.

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