If Tomac comes back, Could he bunch em up?

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IceMan446 1/8/2018 8:37pm
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I think you see Marv get taken out by Anderson at some point, bad night for Marv there.

Eli just needs to be in a place to take advantage.

Of course Eli is due another complete meltdown night as he has done time and time again.

But the three mains gives a chance to shake things up. I for one am excited.
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cameron96 1/8/2018 8:40pm
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cameron96 wrote:
Eli’s in the lead. Marv 2nd. Barcia 3rd. Anderson 4th

Bunch em up. Let the dogs eat rough him up
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Did you see the responses I got last year when I proposed this before it all happened in Vegas? It's a Classic.
I recal every thought you where an idiot and there’s zero chance of it ever happening
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MxKing809 1/8/2018 8:45pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
I think you see Marv get taken out by Anderson at some point, bad night for Marv there. Eli just needs to be in a place...
I think you see Marv get taken out by Anderson at some point, bad night for Marv there.

Eli just needs to be in a place to take advantage.

Of course Eli is due another complete meltdown night as he has done time and time again.

But the three mains gives a chance to shake things up. I for one am excited.
What the deal with Ando and Marv? There is bad blood there more so than just friction from wanting to beat each other. Did one kick the others dog, bang the others chick, put sugar in the others tank?
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Mit12 1/8/2018 8:47pm
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cameron96 wrote:
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time. Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into...
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time.

Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into a mistake
Tomac gained one point by bunching up the pack. It did not almost work. All it did was make Tomac look like a jackass!
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Black Diesel Bomber 1/8/2018 9:08pm
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cameron96 wrote:
Eli’s in the lead. Marv 2nd. Barcia 3rd. Anderson 4th

Bunch em up. Let the dogs eat rough him up
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Did you see the responses I got last year when I proposed this before it all happened in Vegas? It's a Classic.
cameron96 wrote:
I recal every thought you where an idiot and there’s zero chance of it ever happening
I would love to see it happen again, but the stars would have to align. If Bam Bam was up front that would make it all that much more interesting. Long season ahead for Tomac but I think he can come back and win the title. If I were Tomac I would be more worried about Kenny getting finding his groove. But then again Kenny almost wadded himself again at A1 so who knows...maybe we'll end up with a "survivor" champ in the end after the top 3-4 implode themselves.
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cameron96 wrote:
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time. Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into...
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time.

Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into a mistake
I would love to understand why Marv would be harder to slow down than a 4 time SX champ. Please enlighten us.
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cameron96 wrote:
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time. Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into...
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time.

Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into a mistake
LMAO
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NorCal 50+ 1/8/2018 10:18pm
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If Dungey had been racing tonight, it would have been just another "leader crashes, Dungey wins" event.
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I don't think people quite understand how severe a shoulder contusion can be. We do not know how severe his injury is yet. He could come back next weekend (don't think this is likely) or he could come back in 2 months.
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TogaSet 1/9/2018 5:18am
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I think if Eli tried that bunch up technique on anyone but Dungey ( like Andersen or Barcia) he’d be sent over the toughblocks in a New York minute.
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cameron96 wrote:
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time. Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into...
Could speed up the comeback, almost worked last time.

Thoughts? Obv Marv would be harder to slow down than Dunge but it could force one into a mistake
Mit12 wrote:
Tomac gained one point by bunching up the pack. It did not almost work. All it did was make Tomac look like a jackass!
In addition blocking 1 guy is much different than blocking 3 guys, get real. How much of the track do you think you can block? I don't see kroc or marv as punting folks but JA? Boom, there's a race going on and you don't appear to be in it anymore.
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He is going to need to win, period. Drive them into the ground mentally. Roczen and Musquin know they can win and win consistently, JA21 is...
He is going to need to win, period. Drive them into the ground mentally. Roczen and Musquin know they can win and win consistently, JA21 is hungry and can win, and Barcia (yes I said him) I think is hungry again (his riding @ A1 showed that). And you can't count out Wilson, Webb and Baggett or Peick and Tickle for that matter. That's a deep field just right there. I like Tomac; think he's a great rider; but in order for him to win the SX title this year, he's gonna have to put up McGrath-like numbers and crush his competition this year.
Eli has shown he can ride from behind imo so I think he will light the wick and get the wins just like last year. As for consistently winning Marv looks like he could be that guy but has to prove it week in and week out. I don't agree with your take on Roczen. He has crashed his share the last couple years and has really not won that many SX races. Maybe he will rise up now and be consistent but maybe not and he had a couple sketch moments Sat night. Anderson looks great frequently but then either does something hair brained or he slumps a little bit. Barcia is the guy that could shock the hell out of everybody in the coming weeks (not that I'm saying he will). He showed at A1 that he still has the old Bam Bam locked away in his head and you just never know. Weston is riding at the edge of his envelope. Deano looked like he jacked his shoulder really good (bad?) and I'll bet it will be a bit before he is back up to speed. Bagget I just don't see being a big threat in SX. That brings me to Webb. WTF? Webb looked like sh-t! So long story short Eli has every chance to get this thing done imho.
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Woh, Jeff is currently on the "raid someones liquor cabinet" program.
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downard254 1/9/2018 7:58am
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TogaSet wrote:
I think if Eli tried that bunch up technique on anyone but Dungey ( like Andersen or Barcia) he’d be sent over the toughblocks in a...
I think if Eli tried that bunch up technique on anyone but Dungey ( like Andersen or Barcia) he’d be sent over the toughblocks in a New York minute.
I was going to say the same thing. If I was Tomac, No Way I would try the bunch up the pack if Ando and Barcia was behind me. Man, you'd be playing right into their wheelhouse. At that point it wouldn't be SX, it'd be a crash up derby.
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kaptkaos 1/9/2018 8:23am
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I havent seen Marvin go a full season on 450 without getting an injury, missing a race, or getting a bad result. He aint no Dungey. Neither is JA for that matter. This championship is wide open. Going into Round 2, I still see Eli as the top contender for most race wins and the eventual title.
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oldblood 1/9/2018 8:37am
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I recall a JS7 teammate getting in Reeds way in a championship. As it relates to the 3 (and the 2), what comes around. .......
Edit, not saying Reed deserved it, or Stewart, but there are teammates on the track, and if they don't get you, the 'universe' will, just ask Grant.
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RG1 1/9/2018 8:51am
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At this point anyone racing Tomac for a title will just be saying to themselves to stay consistent and take the opportunities to win when they come and Tomac will do the rest for you. Marvin and Roczen both probably know that there are going to be weekends when they can't touch Eli for speed, but they'll also know that he always gives you a chance. That approach worked perfectly for Dungey last year in SX and it may have also worked for Marv too had he not had that knee injury outdoors.

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kaptkaos 1/9/2018 8:54am
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Sounds easy doesnt it?

Its only easy if your name is Dungey.
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motomike137 1/9/2018 8:57am
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kaptkaos wrote:
Sounds easy doesnt it?

Its only easy if your name is Dungey.
Bingo
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drt410 1/9/2018 9:11am
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The only thing he has going for him is marvin and ken both crash a fair amount too vs dungey who he was up against last year who podiums every race. If he rides like last year he has an even better shot. The only thing is hes been crashing a lot lately too and its gonna be hard to repeat what he did last year. He had multiple different problems last year. He needs to put his head down and win-podium from here out which is gonna be tough with how much he crashes lately. Marv is no dungey though that was like his only 3rd win, and kenny has had his share of probs in sx too. Dare I say this may be barcias championship to win if he can stay fast and consistent. He seems to crash less than the rest and if hes faster now it could just be his year.
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Phantom 661 1/9/2018 9:24am
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
If Dungey had been racing tonight, it would have been just another "leader crashes, Dungey wins" event.
Perhaps. But it would also be just another example of why Dungey avoided hitting the deck at all cost.
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kaptkaos 1/9/2018 9:25am
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Here is one way to look at it.

For Dungey to be able to be so consistent over the last 5 years against very good competition he must:

1. Have a supreme level of fitness above all others in order to consistently keep podium pace against other fast riders and not making mistakes.

2. Have superior focus and mental acuity to perform at that level for so long with so many opportunities for failure.
3. Have such a high level of riding skill and ability that he can run the pace of the other fastest competitors using about 95% percent of his abilities and keeping 5% in reserve to keep him safe and consistent.
4. Have the best team and equipment
5. Have the best support system- God, Family, Wife, Trainer, Team.

It is my opinion that he and his team trained and to be 5-10% better than everyone else allowing him to comfortably perform at 95% which is fast enough to Podium and occasionally win. Sounds easy but its takes the right person and team to do this, and obviously this is a rare commodity.

He was a lot like RC
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Phantom 661 1/9/2018 10:57am
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kaptkaos wrote:
Here is one way to look at it. For Dungey to be able to be so consistent over the last 5 years against very good competition...
Here is one way to look at it.

For Dungey to be able to be so consistent over the last 5 years against very good competition he must:

1. Have a supreme level of fitness above all others in order to consistently keep podium pace against other fast riders and not making mistakes.

2. Have superior focus and mental acuity to perform at that level for so long with so many opportunities for failure.
3. Have such a high level of riding skill and ability that he can run the pace of the other fastest competitors using about 95% percent of his abilities and keeping 5% in reserve to keep him safe and consistent.
4. Have the best team and equipment
5. Have the best support system- God, Family, Wife, Trainer, Team.

It is my opinion that he and his team trained and to be 5-10% better than everyone else allowing him to comfortably perform at 95% which is fast enough to Podium and occasionally win. Sounds easy but its takes the right person and team to do this, and obviously this is a rare commodity.

He was a lot like RC
Note to Tomac:
Please read example #2 in the above post and apply as needed for undesired race results.
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tprice07 1/9/2018 11:38am
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I hope Roczen's approach to the first half of the season is to be mr consistent...this is not a year for him to go balls out fast. I think that time will come..but for now build gradually and take the win if it presents itself..if not be happy with 3rd. Anderson and Musquin will have their hickups, stamp it.

I still say a throw out race would have been the best change to the format.
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cameron96 3/5/2019 11:36am
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23 points down, Tomac is the favourite for Daytona. Time to start making up points
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cameron96 wrote:
23 points down, Tomac is the favourite for Daytona. Time to start making up points
I think the question is when do Bagget Wlison and Marvin get told not to finish ahead of Cooper?
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greenmx5 3/5/2019 11:46am
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cameron96 wrote:
23 points down, Tomac is the favourite for Daytona. Time to start making up points
early wrote:
I think the question is when do Bagget Wlison and Marvin get told not to finish ahead of Cooper?
East Rutherford. Seems to be a good place.
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RichardLoots 3/5/2019 11:52am
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cameron96 wrote:
23 points down, Tomac is the favourite for Daytona. Time to start making up points
agree time for him to start winning , Daytona is a great race to start with
but when Webb would finish second he gaines only 3 points
he needs to start winning a couple of races and hope Webb, Roczen dont get podiums ...
we need to see a different Eli if he wants a shot at that SX title
He has the speed , everybody knows ..can he turn it on ? nobody knows ...
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jorgechavez 3/5/2019 11:55am
3/5/2019 11:55am
A year later and what Jeff Alessi said about Marv on page 1 is coming true.
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