What is happening at Suzuki?

Arrowangel 11/21/2017 9:26am
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Valid statement. They also are not selling bikes. At the local track here in southern California you maybe will see one or two RMs at the...
Valid statement.


They also are not selling bikes. At the local track here in southern California you maybe will see one or two RMs at the track. One good thing is the left over 17's are super cheap around 4,500 sticker, so if you need to save money and want a new(ish) bike.
i guess it really depends on where you are located.

I am in Manitoba , canada, locally we only have 2 dealers ( kawsaki/suzuki, and ktm/yamaha) i can tell you that when you line up on the gate for a moto, their is way more suzuki then honda/yam/ktm .

on the other hand tho, the harescrambles are all orange and white
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I could be wrong but maybe they could test their motor stuff here? Is that a gsxr125? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/21/226624/s1200_10AE82E9_B598_421E_93CE_EE776D1DA89F.jpg[/img]
I could be wrong but maybe they could test their motor stuff here? Is that a gsxr125?



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Engine layouts, notably bore and stroke are different from street to dirt applications.
Bore and stroke are simple, fuel flow in and out, electronics
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kkawboy14 11/21/2017 9:29am
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Maybe I'm wrong, but i always thought suzuki made more money from marine engines than anything else? I live in a seaside town in the uk...
Maybe I'm wrong, but i always thought suzuki made more money from marine engines than anything else? I live in a seaside town in the uk & suzuki outboards seem to be everywhere.
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Suzuki's marine division does well but ultimately selling small cars in markets all over the world is where the core of their business lies these days.
No doubt! I’m in the car business and I didn’t realize till lately how big outside America that they are in the car market.
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@lips395 wrote:
Suzuki japan don’t have the money to invest its that simple
That’s why the car side of Suzuki has also faded
You couldn’t be wrong. Try looking at financials

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For those that keep saying suzuki is broke their net profit is higher than Yamaha, ktm, Kawie and husky combined. And many years by more than double. They’re not broke they know how to make money. When they leave a market people should pay attention they know what they’re doing
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Suzuki snowmobiles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/21/226623/s1200_850D4F3F_55A8_43B7_9E62_7699080CCC7A.jpg[/img]
Suzuki snowmobiles?



In the late seventies and early eighties they supplied engines to Arctic Cat. A buddy of mine had one in his sled. Not sure how long they supplied them though. I never knew about a Suzuki snowmobile but Kawasaki had some for a time. Yamaha was the big player in sleds and still is.
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BobPA 11/21/2017 9:46am
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@lips395 wrote:
Suzuki japan don’t have the money to invest its that simple
That’s why the car side of Suzuki has also faded
Construction wrote:
You couldn’t be wrong. Try looking at financials
You can read about it here http://www.globalsuzuki.com/ir/library/annualreport/pdf/2017/2017all.pdf.

They lost money in their motorcycle division.
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@lips395 wrote:
Suzuki japan don’t have the money to invest its that simple
That’s why the car side of Suzuki has also faded
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You couldn’t be wrong. Try looking at financials
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You can read about it here http://www.globalsuzuki.com/ir/library/annualreport/pdf/2017/2017all.pdf.

They lost money in their motorcycle division.
And Ktms best year ever was 60 mill and Zuki made 1.5 bill last year. So who would you want to be ? How convienent you left that fact out. Let’s repeat 1.5 billion to the all time best 60 mill
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You can also read here but I was wrong it’s 1.6 bill

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kkawboy14 wrote:
Suzuki snowmobiles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/21/226623/s1200_850D4F3F_55A8_43B7_9E62_7699080CCC7A.jpg[/img]
Suzuki snowmobiles?



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In the late seventies and early eighties they supplied engines to Arctic Cat. A buddy of mine had one in his sled. Not sure how long...
In the late seventies and early eighties they supplied engines to Arctic Cat. A buddy of mine had one in his sled. Not sure how long they supplied them though. I never knew about a Suzuki snowmobile but Kawasaki had some for a time. Yamaha was the big player in sleds and still is.
Yamaha is dead last in the sled market by a large margin. They only supply motors now arctic cat makes thier sleds. Skidoo and Polaris own the sled market with over 70% share
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Construction wrote:
You couldn’t be wrong. Try looking at financials
BobPA wrote:
You can read about it here http://www.globalsuzuki.com/ir/library/annualreport/pdf/2017/2017all.pdf.

They lost money in their motorcycle division.
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And Ktms best year ever was 60 mill and Zuki made 1.5 bill last year. So who would you want to be ? How convienent you...
And Ktms best year ever was 60 mill and Zuki made 1.5 bill last year. So who would you want to be ? How convienent you left that fact out. Let’s repeat 1.5 billion to the all time best 60 mill
No need to be triggered. I was just pointing out facts, I am sorry they do not fit your narrative. But, the fact remains that Suzuki's motorcycle division is not making money. I would rather be part of a company making money, as opposed to a company losing money.
Dirty Points 11/21/2017 10:24am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
I could be wrong but maybe they could test their motor stuff here? Is that a gsxr125? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/21/226624/s1200_10AE82E9_B598_421E_93CE_EE776D1DA89F.jpg[/img]
I could be wrong but maybe they could test their motor stuff here? Is that a gsxr125?



ML512 wrote:
Engine layouts, notably bore and stroke are different from street to dirt applications.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Bore and stroke are simple, fuel flow in and out, electronics
Bore and stroke?

That's the least of it's worries. It's a 125. There's not even a MX class for anything about it, engine wise.
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dcg141 11/21/2017 10:41am
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Wow, their MC sales in North America declined 30% year to year. They are making really good money in the car and outboard business. Those numbers tell me that if MC sales in Europe and NA don't turn around there will be some decision making going on. Exploring the partnership with Toyota is interesting.
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they're still scrounging for change to pay Dungey back for his 63 race win bonuses
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they're still scrounging for change to pay Dungey back for his 63 race win bonuses
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Construction wrote:
Yamaha is dead last in the sled market by a large margin. They only supply motors now arctic cat makes thier sleds. Skidoo and Polaris own...
Yamaha is dead last in the sled market by a large margin. They only supply motors now arctic cat makes thier sleds. Skidoo and Polaris own the sled market with over 70% share
I meant that Yamaha was a major player in the snowmobile market of the Japanese manufacturers. I don't follow the sleds much anymore and thought maybe Yamaha still had significant involvement.

I haven't been on a sled since the early 1980's and a lot has changed since those days. Back in those times the Yamaha SRX was a strong runner but suspension performance was limited. Long travel sleds were just starting to arrive with Ski-Doo's MX line that had a pair of rear shocks mounted alongside the tunnel. I think maybe FOX supplied the shocks.
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For those that keep saying suzuki is broke their net profit is higher than Yamaha, ktm, Kawie and husky combined. And many years by more than...
For those that keep saying suzuki is broke their net profit is higher than Yamaha, ktm, Kawie and husky combined. And many years by more than double. They’re not broke they know how to make money. When they leave a market people should pay attention they know what they’re doing
There are three things to consider when looking at whether they should close up a business division or hang in there, and possibly invest more:

1. Suzuki have factories/production lines to fill. There is write-off/down to be taken if they stop filling them with work. Most production lines and its equipment are present in balance sheet as long term assets, write offs or good will.
2. How much lose are we doing, can this trend be turned with less effort and cost than above would generate as an impact?
3. Stock material and parts, plus possibly multi year contracts with part suppliers.

Ive said it before: Our market is barely growing, KTM and Husky has taken huge market shares last years. Someone has to give. But number 1 and 3 also motivate a "wind-down" over multiple years to avoid the stock taking a dive.
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BobPA 11/21/2017 11:38am
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OldYZRider1 wrote:
In the late seventies and early eighties they supplied engines to Arctic Cat. A buddy of mine had one in his sled. Not sure how long...
In the late seventies and early eighties they supplied engines to Arctic Cat. A buddy of mine had one in his sled. Not sure how long they supplied them though. I never knew about a Suzuki snowmobile but Kawasaki had some for a time. Yamaha was the big player in sleds and still is.
They supplied Arctic Cat sled engines up until last year.

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@lips395 wrote:
Suzuki japan don’t have the money to invest its that simple
That’s why the car side of Suzuki has also faded
kwhite199 wrote:
This comes up every time someone posts something about Suzuki. You may want to check their financials before making such a statement.
Yup!

Also, a New AM. Program in the US including a team run by Brooks.

Suzuki has backed out of markets and programs that they see as "non-beneficial".
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ML512 wrote:
Engine layouts, notably bore and stroke are different from street to dirt applications.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Bore and stroke are simple, fuel flow in and out, electronics
Dirty Points wrote:
Bore and stroke?

That's the least of it's worries. It's a 125. There's not even a MX class for anything about it, engine wise.
You totally missed what was being talking about......testing of things, anythings, that go from one type to another.
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GrapeApe 11/21/2017 12:55pm
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@lips395 wrote:
Suzuki japan don’t have the money to invest its that simple
That’s why the car side of Suzuki has also faded
kwhite199 wrote:
This comes up every time someone posts something about Suzuki. You may want to check their financials before making such a statement.
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Yup! Also, a New AM. Program in the US including a team run by Brooks. Suzuki has backed out of markets and programs that they see...
Yup!

Also, a New AM. Program in the US including a team run by Brooks.

Suzuki has backed out of markets and programs that they see as "non-beneficial".
Didn't the amateur program already go away after just a year? Papi was their strongest rider and he was on a Honda at MEC. At the Mini-O's going on now, in all of the A and B classes combined there may be 5 total Suzuki's (and one is a Carten from NJ, so that doesn't count lol).

Suzuki has money, but they're not putting it into moto R&D or racing.
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They pulled out of the GPs but that money is coming here in the form of amateur support.

Suzuki company wide is FAR from failing.
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I loved my RMZ 250, hopefully I'll have another soon.
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It's the same Suzuki debate that goes on every month. Either go buy a Suzuki or quit whining
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Bruce372 wrote:
It's the same Suzuki debate that goes on every month. Either go buy a Suzuki or quit whining
I'd push a chainless bicycle before I bought a Suzuki
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Bruce372 wrote:
It's the same Suzuki debate that goes on every month. Either go buy a Suzuki or quit whining
BobPA wrote:
I'd push a chainless bicycle before I bought a Suzuki
^ funny, I think the same way about Yamaha
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If you look at their financial reports Suzuki motorcycles are selling and the division is profitable. I guess they just don't care enough to try any harder.

Sad really.

I honestly thought the Japanese brands would wake up and copy the Austrians. It's not rocket science; invest in R&D and make updates, even modest updates to keep consumers interested. Build kids bikes again; 50, 65, and update the 85 to jump start those sales and get kids growing up on your brand. Make a simple splash in the industry and build MX 2-stroke 125 & 250. This alone would wake up the whole industry.

Short version: Copy virtually everything the Austrians are doing.....
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KTM builds motorcycles because it makes them all of their money. Suzuki builds motorcycles because it makes them a little bit of their money. If you're only gonna do one thing, you'd better be really fucking good at it, or you won't be doing it for long.
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BobPA wrote:
You can read about it here http://www.globalsuzuki.com/ir/library/annualreport/pdf/2017/2017all.pdf.

They lost money in their motorcycle division.
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And Ktms best year ever was 60 mill and Zuki made 1.5 bill last year. So who would you want to be ? How convienent you...
And Ktms best year ever was 60 mill and Zuki made 1.5 bill last year. So who would you want to be ? How convienent you left that fact out. Let’s repeat 1.5 billion to the all time best 60 mill
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No need to be triggered. I was just pointing out facts, I am sorry they do not fit your narrative. But, the fact remains that Suzuki's...
No need to be triggered. I was just pointing out facts, I am sorry they do not fit your narrative. But, the fact remains that Suzuki's motorcycle division is not making money. I would rather be part of a company making money, as opposed to a company losing money.
You’re right and suzuki is making huge money compared to everyone else in the business not named Honda.

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