mx vs atv all out

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11/14/2017 6:14pm
I'm not sure they can afford such poor marketing after the venom Encore received from a lot of their fanbase.

They just kinda don't seem to care what we think or ask for. I guess you can say they're sticking to their guns. That's pretty much the way the new team rolls. Like it or not. Can't say that I do.

Its been over two months since intro and really all we have are some songs. And I don't buy the whole getting feedback from fans at events then tweaking. Fans on their own forums have given tons of feedback for last two years and most of the time they gave nothing but a generic reply and kept the push up preload which almost everyone hates.

I'm sure it will be a pretty major improvement from Encore so that's good. But I doubt we get zero in the way of a full points series so it will be a bunch of exhibition races with little to play for. Still nothing on replicas either other than Michael mentioning it. Most of their original creations are just to fantasy based for my liking so hoping for replicas, personally. Outdoors, preferably.

Michael, any chance you could get Mike Mamula back in for a Q and A? Anything new on game? Its been dead silent.
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Not releasing any info / footage could be really good or really bad... they may be so confident with the game and are just putting final touches on and feel no need to rush as it's amazing... or they could be totally embarrassed but that's all they've got so leave it till last minute
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flatout111 wrote:
I'm not sure they can afford such poor marketing after the venom Encore received from a lot of their fanbase. They just kinda don't seem to...
I'm not sure they can afford such poor marketing after the venom Encore received from a lot of their fanbase.

They just kinda don't seem to care what we think or ask for. I guess you can say they're sticking to their guns. That's pretty much the way the new team rolls. Like it or not. Can't say that I do.

Its been over two months since intro and really all we have are some songs. And I don't buy the whole getting feedback from fans at events then tweaking. Fans on their own forums have given tons of feedback for last two years and most of the time they gave nothing but a generic reply and kept the push up preload which almost everyone hates.

I'm sure it will be a pretty major improvement from Encore so that's good. But I doubt we get zero in the way of a full points series so it will be a bunch of exhibition races with little to play for. Still nothing on replicas either other than Michael mentioning it. Most of their original creations are just to fantasy based for my liking so hoping for replicas, personally. Outdoors, preferably.

Michael, any chance you could get Mike Mamula back in for a Q and A? Anything new on game? Its been dead silent.
"They just kinda don't seem to care what we think or ask for."

Here is your answer and it has been like this for years. That is why i have zero expectations of anything they do.

They aim at the masses, not MX or SX enthusiasts. I have no problem with that, their games aren't for me and i'm fine with that.
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11/15/2017 4:24am
I really don’t think care about All the complaining anymore to behonest. There comes a time when you just say forget about it. If you look any of their forums in the past and or their Facebook. There is absolutely nothing but negative remarks towards them. So if I were them I️ wouldn’t even care any longer. They’be Already made the game they plan on putting out whether they are touching up a little here or there doesn’t matter the game is 80-90% completed so it doesn’t matter what our thoughts are why show footage where they will most likely get nothing but negative remarks now till release date.

I remember people were upset they closed down the franchise. It’s back and yet people still hate on them it’s legitimelty getting old and non sense.

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11/15/2017 5:12am
I reached out to the MvA team directly about a week ago to ask some questions about the roster. They explained that they still have release agreements coming in from everyone which is why they haven't announced the roster yet.

I would imagine that the reason they haven't really brought anything to us lately is because they have everything about 90% finished but nothing 100% complete to show us. In my opinion I think they're saving their own ass and making things the best they can be before releasing anything.

There are a lot of fans who are at the last straw and if they release a gameplay video that shows garbage physics & garbage tracks & garbage AI, chances are, a lot of those disgruntled fans will just say "forget it, and never consider buying the game." They are aware of the masses being sick of their games for entry level fans.

I bet that when their first gameplay video drops, they want it to blow us away. (Not saying I think that's going to happen.) They have a lot of pissed off fans to win over. And I think they know that.
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Donovan759 wrote:
I reached out to the MvA team directly about a week ago to ask some questions about the roster. They explained that they still have release...
I reached out to the MvA team directly about a week ago to ask some questions about the roster. They explained that they still have release agreements coming in from everyone which is why they haven't announced the roster yet.

I would imagine that the reason they haven't really brought anything to us lately is because they have everything about 90% finished but nothing 100% complete to show us. In my opinion I think they're saving their own ass and making things the best they can be before releasing anything.

There are a lot of fans who are at the last straw and if they release a gameplay video that shows garbage physics & garbage tracks & garbage AI, chances are, a lot of those disgruntled fans will just say "forget it, and never consider buying the game." They are aware of the masses being sick of their games for entry level fans.

I bet that when their first gameplay video drops, they want it to blow us away. (Not saying I think that's going to happen.) They have a lot of pissed off fans to win over. And I think they know that.
Totally agree with this ^^^^
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11/15/2017 6:39am
Lets face it. You guys are expecting a motocross game where the developers thinks it is acceptable to add ATVs and keep any amount of respect. Also face the fact that ATV means quads aka 4 wheelers! And what Fs up a MX track worst than a nuclear bomb? You go it, a 4 wheeler! They have built a brand on bullshit, who wants to race or ride with a quad? Anyone? Hell no, not even in a game for crying out loud.

If the sumbitches want to make a 4 wheeler game, make it, make it where you ride in the woods in 4 wheel drive getting stuck in the mud, having to get pulled or winched out to continue, upgrades like 32in tires, extended A arms and other 4 wheeler shit. Thats your 4 wheeler market, not in a MX game.

You want MX to VS something, Make it the TRACK assholes. FFS
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11/15/2017 6:44am
Markee wrote:
Lets face it. You guys are expecting a motocross game where the developers thinks it is acceptable to add ATVs and keep any amount of respect...
Lets face it. You guys are expecting a motocross game where the developers thinks it is acceptable to add ATVs and keep any amount of respect. Also face the fact that ATV means quads aka 4 wheelers! And what Fs up a MX track worst than a nuclear bomb? You go it, a 4 wheeler! They have built a brand on bullshit, who wants to race or ride with a quad? Anyone? Hell no, not even in a game for crying out loud.

If the sumbitches want to make a 4 wheeler game, make it, make it where you ride in the woods in 4 wheel drive getting stuck in the mud, having to get pulled or winched out to continue, upgrades like 32in tires, extended A arms and other 4 wheeler shit. Thats your 4 wheeler market, not in a MX game.

You want MX to VS something, Make it the TRACK assholes. FFS
They did this before.. its called ATV Offroad Fury 1, 2, 3 & 4. They saw that they were competing with themselves by making separate games for mx & atv and decided to put them both together. But I agree. Quads are gay.

Its a shame the track cant compete against the bikes... otherwise you'd be onto something there.
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11/15/2017 7:32am
flatout111 wrote:
I'm not sure they can afford such poor marketing after the venom Encore received from a lot of their fanbase. They just kinda don't seem to...
I'm not sure they can afford such poor marketing after the venom Encore received from a lot of their fanbase.

They just kinda don't seem to care what we think or ask for. I guess you can say they're sticking to their guns. That's pretty much the way the new team rolls. Like it or not. Can't say that I do.

Its been over two months since intro and really all we have are some songs. And I don't buy the whole getting feedback from fans at events then tweaking. Fans on their own forums have given tons of feedback for last two years and most of the time they gave nothing but a generic reply and kept the push up preload which almost everyone hates.

I'm sure it will be a pretty major improvement from Encore so that's good. But I doubt we get zero in the way of a full points series so it will be a bunch of exhibition races with little to play for. Still nothing on replicas either other than Michael mentioning it. Most of their original creations are just to fantasy based for my liking so hoping for replicas, personally. Outdoors, preferably.

Michael, any chance you could get Mike Mamula back in for a Q and A? Anything new on game? Its been dead silent.
Motofinne wrote:
"They just kinda don't seem to care what we think or ask for." Here is your answer and it has been like this for years. That...
"They just kinda don't seem to care what we think or ask for."

Here is your answer and it has been like this for years. That is why i have zero expectations of anything they do.

They aim at the masses, not MX or SX enthusiasts. I have no problem with that, their games aren't for me and i'm fine with that.
Exactly. Milestone makes games for the fans of the actual pro sport series of MX and SX such as Monster Energy Supercross, Lucas Oil Pro Motocross and MXGP..

Nordic make casual fan off-road vehicles games that include bikes, atvs and utvs.

That is a complete different strategy and why I prefer one over the other.

11/15/2017 8:22am
Boo fucking hoo. Quit your crying. Some of you guys make reading this thread unbearable. Seriously, page after page of crying! Some of you dweebs need a girlfriend.
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11/15/2017 8:40am
Boo fucking hoo. Quit your crying. Some of you guys make reading this thread unbearable. Seriously, page after page of crying! Some of you dweebs need...
Boo fucking hoo. Quit your crying. Some of you guys make reading this thread unbearable. Seriously, page after page of crying! Some of you dweebs need a girlfriend.
I bet you're lots of fun to hang out with... You complain more than my mother in law..
Stop opening the thread. Its that simple.
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11/15/2017 9:22am
There are some pretty simple adjustments to the game Rainbow could do to make both the serious and casual players happy. Why does it have to be casual only attitude from them? How hard would a casual/pro setting be to implement? Make braking a requirement when entering a corner - this feature alone would change a lot of the gameplay from wfo cornering currently implemented. Make each vehicle type feel special with dedicated tracks to fit that vehicle type. Sx tracks scaled to mx bikes for better racing into corners, etc for atvs with outdoors and utvs. I thought endurocross was interesting in Untamed (I think).Make some outdoor scramble type races that aren't the decade old style of waypoints, but a semi-open roped off track with slow technical driving layouts. It doesn't have to be their way or the highway, and that's the frustrating thing about how Rainbow operates.
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JohnnyMc wrote:
There are some pretty simple adjustments to the game Rainbow could do to make both the serious and casual players happy. Why does it have to...
There are some pretty simple adjustments to the game Rainbow could do to make both the serious and casual players happy. Why does it have to be casual only attitude from them? How hard would a casual/pro setting be to implement? Make braking a requirement when entering a corner - this feature alone would change a lot of the gameplay from wfo cornering currently implemented. Make each vehicle type feel special with dedicated tracks to fit that vehicle type. Sx tracks scaled to mx bikes for better racing into corners, etc for atvs with outdoors and utvs. I thought endurocross was interesting in Untamed (I think).Make some outdoor scramble type races that aren't the decade old style of waypoints, but a semi-open roped off track with slow technical driving layouts. It doesn't have to be their way or the highway, and that's the frustrating thing about how Rainbow operates.
Exactly. All you have to know about this series is that they widened the scale of their SX tracks...even the official ones from Feld...to accommodate atvs.

That just makes zero sense. Or at the very least it is NOT what I want in a SX/MX game.

Only Alive was right. Everything else has been way off, scale wise.

Simply make different tracks for atvs or...duh...have half the field of atvs. 6 instead of 12. Don't take away one of THE most integral aspects of a Supercross track. Especially if you are licensing the replicas like they did in 2017 and are showing it as official track maps. That literally floors me they don't get that.
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11/15/2017 10:25am
The posted some tropical free ride beach on their Instagram today.
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just checking in to see if there is any actual news.... guess i'll be going

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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/15/225085/s1200_maxatv.....jpg[/img]




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dsmith wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/15/225085/s1200_maxatv.....jpg[/img]


left side of photo looks like a beach moto track.. That would be pretty dope. Look at all those ruts.
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Donovan759 wrote:
They did this before.. its called ATV Offroad Fury 1, 2, 3 & 4. They saw that they were competing with themselves by making separate games...
They did this before.. its called ATV Offroad Fury 1, 2, 3 & 4. They saw that they were competing with themselves by making separate games for mx & atv and decided to put them both together. But I agree. Quads are gay.

Its a shame the track cant compete against the bikes... otherwise you'd be onto something there.
Rainbow was only involved with the first two ATV Offroad Fury games and then sold the series to someone else before they came out with MX Unleashed. They were never competing against themselves.
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11/15/2017 11:50am
Boo fucking hoo. Quit your crying. Some of you guys make reading this thread unbearable. Seriously, page after page of crying! Some of you dweebs need...
Boo fucking hoo. Quit your crying. Some of you guys make reading this thread unbearable. Seriously, page after page of crying! Some of you dweebs need a girlfriend.
lol couldn’t agree more. it’s crazy huh?
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I have faith in this game, I think it will give us all what we want in a way we never knew.
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11/16/2017 5:09am
SPYGUY wrote:
Rainbow was only involved with the first two ATV Offroad Fury games and then sold the series to someone else before they came out with MX...
Rainbow was only involved with the first two ATV Offroad Fury games and then sold the series to someone else before they came out with MX Unleashed. They were never competing against themselves.
I stopped playing after the first two. Thanks for clarifying. I looked up the developers from that time period and listed them below. I do remember watching an interview, I believe w/ RonRon, where he mentioned something about "why make two different games that are so similar so we combined the two". But like you said, clear that they weren't competing against themselves. Sorry about that.

ATV ORF 2 was released Nov 9 2002 (Rainbow)
Mx Unleashed was released Fed 17 2004. (Rainbow)
ATV ORF 3 was released Nov 2 2004 (Climax)
MvA unleashed was released March 16 2005. (Rainbow)
ATV ORF 4 was released Oct 31 2006 (Climax)



11/16/2017 5:17am
Remember before the internet is what it is now, and a new game came out that wasn't perfect, but it was a new moto game so we just got used to it and learned to like it? Yeah I miss those times. I remember playing shitty games like Jeremy McGrath Supercross games, but still having a blast. Why does everything have to be a replica for it to be fun?
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/11/15/225087/s1200_F3A4A428_297B_4942_837A_07543C56DA54.jpg[/img]


LOL! That's what I always wanted in a MX game, to ride a quad on the beach near a ship wreck...

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Markee wrote:
LOL! That's what I always wanted in a MX game, to ride a quad on the beach near a ship wreck...

Yep, def made for the MX fan. :/ Whatever. I can't say I even care about what they do any more. Its too frustrating.
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
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Markee wrote:
LOL! That's what I always wanted in a MX game, to ride a quad on the beach near a ship wreck...

flatout111 wrote:
Yep, def made for the MX fan. :/ Whatever. I can't say I even care about what they do any more. Its too frustrating.
Guys... this is a screenshot from Alive....
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11/16/2017 7:03am
Markee wrote:
LOL! That's what I always wanted in a MX game, to ride a quad on the beach near a ship wreck...

flatout111 wrote:
Yep, def made for the MX fan. :/ Whatever. I can't say I even care about what they do any more. Its too frustrating.
Donovan759 wrote:
Guys... this is a screenshot from Alive....
*sees 10 year old MX video game screenshot* *assumes it’s All Out* yeah fuck this game! Woohoo Laughing people are funny
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11/16/2017 7:09am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
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My god you all are idiots. That screenshot is from alive
11/16/2017 7:17am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2017 7:19am
Markee wrote:
LOL! That's what I always wanted in a MX game, to ride a quad on the beach near a ship wreck...

flatout111 wrote:
Yep, def made for the MX fan. :/ Whatever. I can't say I even care about what they do any more. Its too frustrating.
Donovan759 wrote:
Guys... this is a screenshot from Alive....
Smile The point I was trying to make was aside from better graphics in All Out, we’ve done this beach free ride thing before. Both environments look pretty similar.

Free ride could be good if you started out in the center of the map at a campsite with pickups and toyhaulers, and then each direction had some gnarly single track that was strewn with roots, logs, rocks, water crossings, etc. Wide open beaches and canyons get boring after a few minutes of just going full throttle in a straight line. My opinion of course.

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