mx vs atv all out

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11/4/2017 7:32am
So is anyone making their way to the Transworld MX Mini Major today or tomorrow?

Surely someone has to be close enough to make the drive over to Milestone MX. We need opinions of people who know how to play and not to mention some footage.

Also want to mention that the physics in All Out are apparently a mix between Reflex and Alive which in my opinion sounds pretty good considering they both had good things and bad things. If they bridged the gap between the two, it should be fun to play.
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11/4/2017 7:52am
-MAVERICK- wrote:
So is anyone making their way to the Transworld MX Mini Major today or tomorrow? Surely someone has to be close enough to make the drive...
So is anyone making their way to the Transworld MX Mini Major today or tomorrow?

Surely someone has to be close enough to make the drive over to Milestone MX. We need opinions of people who know how to play and not to mention some footage.

Also want to mention that the physics in All Out are apparently a mix between Reflex and Alive which in my opinion sounds pretty good considering they both had good things and bad things. If they bridged the gap between the two, it should be fun to play.
Yeah, if it's between Alive and Reflex and has realistic track designs then I'm good with that. What I don't want is for it to be like Unleashed.

That game is 14 years old and wasn't that great to begin with, in my opinion. Alive/Reflex physics style or something completely new and fresh are what will interest me.
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11/4/2017 10:03am
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Yeah, if it's between Alive and Reflex and has realistic track designs then I'm good with that. What I don't want is for it to be...
Yeah, if it's between Alive and Reflex and has realistic track designs then I'm good with that. What I don't want is for it to be like Unleashed.

That game is 14 years old and wasn't that great to begin with, in my opinion. Alive/Reflex physics style or something completely new and fresh are what will interest me.
You should go back through unleashed. Granted.. there were a lot of unrealistic tracks but there were also some very cool realistic tracks. I just played on a bunch of them the other day.
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11/4/2017 10:23am
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Yeah, if it's between Alive and Reflex and has realistic track designs then I'm good with that. What I don't want is for it to be...
Yeah, if it's between Alive and Reflex and has realistic track designs then I'm good with that. What I don't want is for it to be like Unleashed.

That game is 14 years old and wasn't that great to begin with, in my opinion. Alive/Reflex physics style or something completely new and fresh are what will interest me.
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You should go back through unleashed. Granted.. there were a lot of unrealistic tracks but there were also some very cool realistic tracks. I just played...
You should go back through unleashed. Granted.. there were a lot of unrealistic tracks but there were also some very cool realistic tracks. I just played on a bunch of them the other day.
The mile wide tracks, air balloon physics and rubber band AI ruin it for me. Zero sense of traction and grounded feeling. Just flying sky high with that God awful exaggerated push up preload on a track that looked like a freeway. Just can't dig it. Just my opinion.I preferred MX2002, Superfly, MTX.

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11/4/2017 12:03pm
Been around since MCM and have created a lot of content. Too many people get wrapped up in realistic this and realistic that. Give us these few things and the game will be great:

1. Fun and reliable physics (don't make me buy some damn frame to get better physics.)
2. Solid online racing MCM series was amazing I couldn't wait to race online and also on the zone.
3. User created content, this fixes everything else, tracks, bikes, gear. Users get to make the kind of tracks they like wide, narrow, realistic or not. MCM had some great tracks both real and some just flat out crazy. Developers need to quit worrying about dlc money associated with user content. If you have a fantastic game and some 15yr old kid that spends 40hrs creating content for your game makes something that attracts more players then your game just sold that much more. I remember going to some random kids house and he was not a motocross guy at all but more along the star wars kid variety, he had motocross madness 2 on his pc, why? He could make his rider a storm trooper and he loved seeing what new tracks people had created.

Mx vs atv unleashed lived on for so long because of user content take that away and the game would have died, same with mx SIM and others.

Really interested to see what this track editor for milestones game will provide. Hopefully we get a similar response from rainbow/nordic but I'm not going to hold my breathe.
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11/4/2017 9:32pm
Saw that. Flatout is not going to be too happy about it and neither am I. Seriously, youth riders in the game? Like WTF. Let them create themselves.

Licensed riders is a good thing but they've always had that.

Hope to see some gameplay soon because they've done a really piss poor job at marketing it properly thus far.
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that video from fb with the lady just made me think.

ya know, it is a game. it’s a video game. of course they are going to cater to everyone and mainly kids. more kids are playing then 30 year olds. it’s almost like you guys are the older people still crying about a video game and it kinda makes me laugh when i think about it.

this game is goig to be great. it’s going to be fun and it’s going to have a lot of content.

if you don’t like it and you wanna be all hardcore about your moto experience then you need to get on mx sim. it’s that simple. or just stop crying about video games. time to grow up

the redundancy and competitive complaints in this thread is so unreal. and if you ask why i keep coming back? it’s because i know this is the first place ill see the latest in terms of any info that gets released.
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11/4/2017 11:27pm
^^^ That's where you're wrong. The average age of gamers is around 30 years old.
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11/5/2017 12:01am
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that video from fb with the lady just made me think. ya know, it is a game. it’s a video game. of course they are going...
that video from fb with the lady just made me think.

ya know, it is a game. it’s a video game. of course they are going to cater to everyone and mainly kids. more kids are playing then 30 year olds. it’s almost like you guys are the older people still crying about a video game and it kinda makes me laugh when i think about it.

this game is goig to be great. it’s going to be fun and it’s going to have a lot of content.

if you don’t like it and you wanna be all hardcore about your moto experience then you need to get on mx sim. it’s that simple. or just stop crying about video games. time to grow up

the redundancy and competitive complaints in this thread is so unreal. and if you ask why i keep coming back? it’s because i know this is the first place ill see the latest in terms of any info that gets released.
you keep coming back because the kids stay cutting across your lawn to the weed spot "hey you kids! get off of my lawn!"
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11/5/2017 1:53am
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that video from fb with the lady just made me think. ya know, it is a game. it’s a video game. of course they are going...
that video from fb with the lady just made me think.

ya know, it is a game. it’s a video game. of course they are going to cater to everyone and mainly kids. more kids are playing then 30 year olds. it’s almost like you guys are the older people still crying about a video game and it kinda makes me laugh when i think about it.

this game is goig to be great. it’s going to be fun and it’s going to have a lot of content.

if you don’t like it and you wanna be all hardcore about your moto experience then you need to get on mx sim. it’s that simple. or just stop crying about video games. time to grow up

the redundancy and competitive complaints in this thread is so unreal. and if you ask why i keep coming back? it’s because i know this is the first place ill see the latest in terms of any info that gets released.
Yeah, as Maverick says....you are incorrect on that statement. Video games aren't just for kids. Not at all. The numbers show that. (Thank you, Maverick) So don't make them for kids. I, vehemently, disagree with nearly everything you said here, with all due respect.

And there is nothing wrong with wanting a better, more serious simcade experience. No, not MX sim, but a game that feels and looks realistic while still having options to be accessible to the mainstream.

I don't want a straight ssimulator, personally. But what I do want is a quality product from a company that's been doing this for over 15 years and one I've supported financially to the utmost. I don't expect them to listen to everyone but their core MX fan base. That makes little sense.

And yeah, that interview irked the sh*t out of me, Maverick. Lol. Just being honest.

As always, i will refrain from being too critical of All Out until I see some gameplay. But they do very little to inspire confidence and their track record gives me little hope. Which, again, is a bummer because there are people there that know how to make a solid simcade game. Alive JS7 stuff. Near perfect. Fun, challenging and looked and felt pretty realistic.

I think the game will be better than their, honestly, pretty downright poor marketing strategy. They've shown nothing. And don't say it is to fine tune things from the community. I just don't believe that.

The community has taken countless time to share their input. And for their troubles, the forum where we could share said input was shut down and honestly most of the replies there from some team members, one in particular, were just a brush off.

That is what is frustrating.
11/5/2017 3:45am
I'm happy for the kids who got I'm the game they are probably thrilled. However to me that takes from realism no offense to them but I hope you can choose which riders you would like to be involved in your championship. If they want to be in game all they would of had to do was create them self like we all will do, I hope you don't line up with actual sx riders and mini riders mixed in. I still have high hopes for this game but they don't tell us much and when they do it seems like we're all like what are they thinking?
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I hate to bring up reflex, but this is an actual serious question. So, everyone (almost everyone) wants reflex 2.0, but we keep hearing that the code got destroyed or taken apart in the collapse of thq/rainbow. Others have been saying that they can’t physically recreate the code cause they didn’t actually write the code, that it was subbed out to a third party? Soooo what’s stopping them contacting that third party again and having them make the code for all out? I’m not a computer geek, so I have no idea what is involved in writing code for a game, but you would think that the actual (code creator) could take the best, and leave the worst from reflex and make a badass game! Just my 2 cents.
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11/5/2017 5:55am
Here are my thoughts.

I will probably buy the game, I will probably play the game and when I play I will have fun with it.

I'm almost 30 years old, I'm no longer that guy that has to be the best and win leagues and stuff like that online. I have a life, so when I play I will jut have fun.

I remember playing mx 2002 and we would play tag in some of the freestyle open areas. It was so cool to do that on splitscreen. I also played tag on for a and I'm not going to lie I had more fun doing that than racing, not because I'm not competitve, but because I'm not willing to put in/nor have the time to be one of the top 10 best guys at a game anymore.

I played mcm, mcm2, mVA unleashed and unleashed wad the first one I played online. When I left the game I was top 5 on xbox live. After a little time away I then bought it for pc and got a gaming laptop to see how I would do on there and when the Rev expansion came out I won a lot. I was so good that guys thought I was cheating which I thought was the best form of flatery. But I'm not that guy anymore I'm married, work a 40 hr work week, i have better things to do with my life than live through a game.

Just have fun with it.
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11/5/2017 5:58am
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^^^ That's where you're wrong. The average age of gamers is around 30 years old.
maybeso but the average 30 year old doesn’t play motocross games
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11/5/2017 6:03am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2017 6:05am
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^^^ That's where you're wrong. The average age of gamers is around 30 years old.
and by the way that’s an impossible statistic to gather. how would you be asking kids if they play games? is it going off of who buys the games? of course it’s older people but that doesn’t mean they are playing the game...they are taking it home to their kids. more 30 year olds buy games then kids do but I highly doubt the average gamer is 30 years old. like i said, it’s a statistic that’s impossible to gather. which means whatever statistic you’re referring to is based on sales. sales mean nothing

think about how many kids aren’t available to be a data point
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11/5/2017 6:07am
https://youtu.be/G6XUsYuJclc

This is the prime example of what we need from mx vs atv. It was way more sim then Tony hawk games looks industrial but still has arcade style.

Game was sick by the way.
11/5/2017 6:44am
I actually probably play more now than when I was younger I could still ride in real life then lol. But if they plan on selling us $100 + of dlc it's gonna be us adults with the money buying it not 10 year old kids.
11/5/2017 6:55am
After watching old videos, I honestly think mx vs atv untamed was the best game. Or at least had the most potential. Didn't have the zero gravity physics, whoops were good, endurocross was fun, had freeride, the only downside was the mile wide sx tracks. And the customization was great too. I think if All Out should replicate one game, it should be Untamed. Go check videos of it if you don't remember.
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11/5/2017 8:50am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2017 8:51am
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^^^ That's where you're wrong. The average age of gamers is around 30 years old.
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and by the way that’s an impossible statistic to gather. how would you be asking kids if they play games? is it going off of who...
and by the way that’s an impossible statistic to gather. how would you be asking kids if they play games? is it going off of who buys the games? of course it’s older people but that doesn’t mean they are playing the game...they are taking it home to their kids. more 30 year olds buy games then kids do but I highly doubt the average gamer is 30 years old. like i said, it’s a statistic that’s impossible to gather. which means whatever statistic you’re referring to is based on sales. sales mean nothing

think about how many kids aren’t available to be a data point
Of course it's the adults that are buying games. They're the ones bringing home a paycheck. I'm not going to get into how the average gamer is around 30 years old. Stats are not impossible to get and it's not based on sales or who buys the games.

Take some time and do a little bit of research and you'll see that what I said is correct. Obviously kids play video games but you'll be surprised at the stats that are available. You'll see that there's a lot more adults that play games than you think.

Go to any big gaming convention and I guarantee you'll see a lot more adults roaming around than little kids or teenagers.
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I'm happy for the kids who got I'm the game they are probably thrilled. However to me that takes from realism no offense to them but...
I'm happy for the kids who got I'm the game they are probably thrilled. However to me that takes from realism no offense to them but I hope you can choose which riders you would like to be involved in your championship. If they want to be in game all they would of had to do was create them self like we all will do, I hope you don't line up with actual sx riders and mini riders mixed in. I still have high hopes for this game but they don't tell us much and when they do it seems like we're all like what are they thinking?
Yeah I don't get why they included youth riders in the game when those kids could easily create themselves like we'll do. That said it'll probably be young fast amateurs like DiFrancesco and the likes. It still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't really make sense unless they have 85cc bikes in the game which I highly doubt. That means that whichever kid riders that are included in the game will be adult size with their name on the back riding a full size bike. Again, what's the point of including them? None.

And I agree on the realism part. Lining up next to mini riders that are on full size bikes takes away from that.
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11/5/2017 9:19am
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I hate to bring up reflex, but this is an actual serious question. So, everyone (almost everyone) wants reflex 2.0, but we keep hearing that the...
I hate to bring up reflex, but this is an actual serious question. So, everyone (almost everyone) wants reflex 2.0, but we keep hearing that the code got destroyed or taken apart in the collapse of thq/rainbow. Others have been saying that they can’t physically recreate the code cause they didn’t actually write the code, that it was subbed out to a third party? Soooo what’s stopping them contacting that third party again and having them make the code for all out? I’m not a computer geek, so I have no idea what is involved in writing code for a game, but you would think that the actual (code creator) could take the best, and leave the worst from reflex and make a badass game! Just my 2 cents.
Not everyone wants a Reflex 2.0. Reflex had good and bad and same with Alive. The physics in the new All Out game is apparently a mix of Reflex and Alive so if they combined the best of the two it should be good.

As for why they can't get the Reflex code back that might have something to with the fact that it might be proprietary to the team who coded it or the people that bought it. If that's the case it could be expensive to buy it back and simply just not worth it. Better off just to write a new code which in this case is what they did.

I'm pretty optimistic that All Out will be better than the previous games they've put out. It will for sure be better than Supercross/Encore. Add in that it was made with the Unreal Engine 4 and it's going to be the best looking game they've made to date.
11/5/2017 11:27am
I'd be more pumped for this game if Mav and flatout would stop posting.
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11/5/2017 11:50am
Youth riders in the game, which means 85 and superminis? I doubt they would put a in-game version of dangerboy on a 125, or am i looking at this in the wrong way?
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11/5/2017 12:42pm
I'd be more pumped for this game if Mav and flatout would stop posting.
Don't like it? Then quit clicking on the thread. Pretty simple.
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Youth riders in the game, which means 85 and superminis? I doubt they would put a in-game version of dangerboy on a 125, or am i...
Youth riders in the game, which means 85 and superminis? I doubt they would put a in-game version of dangerboy on a 125, or am i looking at this in the wrong way?
I touched on that subject a little higher up. I think the youth riders included in the game will be in name only.

I think they'll be the same size as all the other riders, wearing gear from the companies that sponsors them and on full size bike. I highly doubt they'll have mini bikes in the game. 50cc/pit bikes were in Unleashed and the only other game I recall that had anything smaller than a full size bike was Jeremy McGrath Supercross '98 which had a YZ 80.

Hence the reason I think it's pointless for them to be included in the game. They could easily create themselves just like you and I will.

Could small wheel bikes be included in All Out? Absolutely. Will they? Who knows.
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11/5/2017 12:55pm
danzig138 wrote:
JW381 wrote:
Lmao Lmao Lmao Laughing Laughing

Game was OK at best. I do not want anything related to Reflex
I was beginning to think I might be the only person that did not love Reflex. I don't get the obsession, ol boy in the video didn't touch the brakes once, soooooo realistic

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