USA Fan negativity

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10/1/2017 7:15pm
We sent the riders that "would" go. They did their best, thats all us fans can ask for. Don't like losing but I'm sure these guys don't either.

Thanks for going team USA, I will always be fans of riders who support their country.
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10/1/2017 8:20pm
Park Boys wrote:
He was never gonna go on a 250.
Parkboys wouldn't be the only considering it was on pulp stating Honda would only send one bike and rider. I also heard jmart wanted to go on a 450.
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10/1/2017 8:49pm
Me personally.....you won't get any complaining from me. We sent the best that were available and willing to go. It's that simple. ,and I thank Zach , Cole and Thomas for giving it their best shot.

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10/1/2017 9:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/1/2017 11:17pm
Read through the race thread from today. Plenty of our own having a go at him. Quite sad, but not surprising.
jamma10 wrote:
Yeah I've seen a few on Facebook. Fucking ridiculous. Searle has put in some brilliant MXdN rides over the years and was more often than not...
Yeah I've seen a few on Facebook.

Fucking ridiculous. Searle has put in some brilliant MXdN rides over the years and was more often than not let down by his team mates. He may not have had the best day today but he earn't that podium a long time ago.

I cant stand fairweather fans, wherever they're from.
RG1 wrote:
Well said, I completely agree. It definitely wasn't his best day at MXdN, but he dug really deep in that second moto with no goggles on...
Well said, I completely agree. It definitely wasn't his best day at MXdN, but he dug really deep in that second moto with no goggles on from way back to give us a decent result. It had to be playing on his mind that the bike wouldn't last either after the first moto.

There have been numerous MXoN over the last decade where Tommy has been the only reason for us Brits to cheer, and he's deserved a podium numerous times. It's disgusting to me how quick everyone forgets his contribution to British MX over the years
Yes he pulled it off when it mattered,after some terrible luck in the first moto,maybe not his biggest fan and although with some hindsight would rather have had Shaun tthere (gutted when he did a chain at Kegums) but it was well deserved and as you say.fair play he's been a lynch pin on many previous occasions
The 250 spot was always going to be a tricky one to fill, Mewse was who I assumed would get it originally
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10/1/2017 10:33pm
The rest of the world cheers when America gets beat.....if America wins it's simply because of our big population and the guys get no credit.

I'm not surprised we don't have guys fighting each other to race the MXDN's. I'm disappointed that it's come to this. I would love to see one of our alpha dogs take the lead the way RC did in the mid 2000's and get the ball rolling again. It's going to be straight Merica' next year at Red Bud....we need our best guys.

On a side note, I don't know what's going on in France, but they just keep churning out solid racers who get it done.
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10/1/2017 10:47pm
I'm a new MX GP fan- Herlings, Paulin, Anstie...all these crazy dudes ride with a lot of passion. Bring it on. Hell, it's kind of cool. Like being a moto fan in the 70s when the US were underdogs.
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10/2/2017 12:17am
Yeah, I've been at it a good while myself. Not sayin' I know anything but, Roy Jansen managed the 92 "B" team and, Bevo managed a...
Yeah, I've been at it a good while myself. Not sayin' I know anything but, Roy Jansen managed the 92 "B" team and, Bevo managed a team somewhere along the line. I still say we'd be fools to even consider anyone other than DeCoster. jmo
Bevo managed the 94 team
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10/2/2017 12:24am
If the 3 Factory Guys the US pick are second rate , then it says where you really are , doesn't it.
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10/2/2017 12:28am
Can't blame the rest of the world with this one..
If Americas "best" riders don't want to ride for fear of backlash from the fans or contractual restrictions, that's a domestic issue, is it not?
If there wasn't so many damn bad losers, and more good will and spirit for the event, the recent culture would change and riders would be more motivated to attend.
10/2/2017 12:34am
25,26,27 > Numbers for red bud team. Is that correct?
Tomac, Osborne, Bagget
10/2/2017 12:36am
jeffro503 wrote:
Me personally.....you won't get any complaining from me. We sent the best that were available and willing to go. It's that simple. ,and I thank Zach...
Me personally.....you won't get any complaining from me. We sent the best that were available and willing to go. It's that simple. ,and I thank Zach , Cole and Thomas for giving it their best shot.
Exactly, and on any other day the results will have been completely different, that's racing.
10/2/2017 12:53am
Seely and Covington were over 10 seconds a lap slower every time they hit the track..
I don't think there is much we can do in that situation..
Darian Sanyei posted a better result than them ? (A 13th)
It's great that they stepped up to go and we all hoped for the best but to beat France this year would of taken 2 sets of podium motos from the 450 guys. Zack went 10-3 for 13 points so we only had 7 points to play with to have a shot.
I would not of been too confident with Tomac in those conditions either.
Everyone's going to be negative- whatever it'll pass. Looking forward to next year, hopefully everyone is there !
10/2/2017 1:03am
It sucks Cole had the same bike problem twice. What an embarrassment. They wouldn't have won it but still disappointing for the rider. I had a feeling Covington would struggle on the 450 and it was confirmed in qualifying when he got tired 13 minutes into the moto. I'm still shocked he didn't break into the top 15 in either moto.

People bashing Seely are useless fucks. I honestly hope he doesn't let some fucktards get to him.

Bummed if it's true Honda wouldn't send 2 riders. Bummed the track was a sloppy mess. I've never enjoyed mudders. It's more fun to watch the best in the world rip on a decent track.
10/2/2017 1:10am
TXDirt wrote:
Don't agree with the negativity however when you do as poorly as the US did then you definately need to own it. This was an embarrassment...
Don't agree with the negativity however when you do as poorly as the US did then you definately need to own it. This was an embarrassment. Frankly the riders who decided not to go should feel ashamed. The guys we sent over did their best. But sometimes your best isn't good enough.

Props to the winners.
Who isn't owning it? What makes it an embarrassment? The only embarrassment is Cole's CRF breaking the same way twice.
10/2/2017 1:28am
According to racerx, Covington tweaked his knee in the first corner pile up in the 2nd race.
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JB 19 wrote:
The rest of the world cheers when America gets beat.....if America wins it's simply because of our big population and the guys get no credit. I'm...
The rest of the world cheers when America gets beat.....if America wins it's simply because of our big population and the guys get no credit.

I'm not surprised we don't have guys fighting each other to race the MXDN's. I'm disappointed that it's come to this. I would love to see one of our alpha dogs take the lead the way RC did in the mid 2000's and get the ball rolling again. It's going to be straight Merica' next year at Red Bud....we need our best guys.

On a side note, I don't know what's going on in France, but they just keep churning out solid racers who get it done.
What is going on in France, is that riders want to ride for their country and their fans. Its called national pride.
10/2/2017 2:30am
JB 19 wrote:
The rest of the world cheers when America gets beat.....if America wins it's simply because of our big population and the guys get no credit. I'm...
The rest of the world cheers when America gets beat.....if America wins it's simply because of our big population and the guys get no credit.

I'm not surprised we don't have guys fighting each other to race the MXDN's. I'm disappointed that it's come to this. I would love to see one of our alpha dogs take the lead the way RC did in the mid 2000's and get the ball rolling again. It's going to be straight Merica' next year at Red Bud....we need our best guys.

On a side note, I don't know what's going on in France, but they just keep churning out solid racers who get it done.
Don't worry, tables turn...
For years, France had good pilots, put together solid teams and missed the target.
Often podium guys, but not on the right spot.
The Namur victory was great but a very lucky one and we spent years wondering if there'd ever be another one...
And then, four years ago, all the pieces started clicking together, including going through the day without these weird problems that often strike at the Nations... Seely's shock reminded me of Pourcel's tire coming off a few years ago.
Kinda stuff thet NEVER happens.

USA's time will sure come again.
It's just a shame it doesn't matter this much anymore to the US MX business and you can't get the best to come...
Next year is a great opportunity, though...
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10/2/2017 2:31am
TXDirt wrote:
Don't agree with the negativity however when you do as poorly as the US did then you definately need to own it. This was an embarrassment...
Don't agree with the negativity however when you do as poorly as the US did then you definately need to own it. This was an embarrassment. Frankly the riders who decided not to go should feel ashamed. The guys we sent over did their best. But sometimes your best isn't good enough.

Props to the winners.
Who isn't owning it? What makes it an embarrassment? The only embarrassment is Cole's CRF breaking the same way twice.
Come on, this was the weakest team we have assembled in probably decades. Even Estonia bested the US.

I won't bash the riders we sent. They did their best. Shame our best riders don't go. If this is the best team we can put together then be prepared for a long losing streak at the MXDN going forward.
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10/2/2017 3:04am
The greatest sport in the world, by far.
I remember as a kid reading about Eric Geboers, Andre Malherbe,George's Jobe and I couldn't wait for the MXDN. America put together some great teams to beat that world class Belgium team.
Then there was Everts,and Smets for the American team to deal with. For me, I loved these rivalries, and loved it when Americas won and I was bummed when we didn't. These great rivalries come and go. I was just as excited to get up at 4 am this year and cheer on the American team. I'm an MX fan. This was a great day of racing. Who picked Anstie to win 2 motos.
The US is going to get the best effort from every racer in the World, Every year. If RC was on Seeley's bike he would have had the same results. Before the races the entire World thought the Americans had.a real chance to win.
America will be back and go on another long run of dominance just as we have in the past. We always do, in every scenario. It's not arrogance. It's our will to win and this added fuel.
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The problem I see with all this is the expectations of the fans. Sometimes (many times) they are not the same expectations than the actual team has. You know, not every year is perfect, and therefore to pick the best for representing the country is not always an option. And that saying how do you know who is the best to represent? Judging from behind the TV and Live Timings and results from SX/MX? Its completely different world!

The team bosses always have to play with the cards they've been given. And this year it played the way it did. The guys did great. They have been trying hard, and you could see the frustration when it didn't work the way they wanted.

Cole is blaming himself on social media, fans are bashing him and Thomas as well. WTF is this about?? The guy was nearly crying, and I bet you he wanted to have a good ride more than you (you behind tv/computer screen) They gave it all, and it was not enough. Because of a multiple reasons, but that is sport, and that's the reason we love it.

Yes country like US is always expecting the best of its athletes, but the way the sport evolves, its not the way it used to be. Its more even nowadays. The competition is way higher, there is no clear favourite these days. Anyone can win pretty much. So common and wake up, next year will be better! And as fans we should support and not bash the teams and riders who represent us!

I just give one example. I am from Slovakia (A little country in Central-Eastern Europe, yes former Czechoslovakia) and we always have the highest expectations when it comes to Ice-Hockey (our top sport). In the days when it was Czechoslovakia we have always been in front, one of the top contenders. We also won a World Championship in 2002 as Slovakia. And been in top 3 like two or three year after that. It creates this pressure of always perform like that. But those were the occasions when we had the best players possible, great atmosphere within the team, and loots of luck as well. So it all has to come together. What are the chances it happens every year? Do the math...
Nowadays we are not contender for top positions anymore and fans can't get over it. But its because the other nations do notice, and try to better up the system or whatever to become contenders. It just normal.

BTW our Slovak guys won the 'B Final' and after 11 years we ended up in A class. Finished the event in 19th place (Germany 20th) Great team effort that was. My Guy #84 Tomas Kohut running Sxf 250 in Open class was just an amazing performance. I do support him in Slovak and Czech National Championship (he races Euro EMX250 and ADAC German championship mainly, and has only few weekends off to do Slovak and Czech nationals). I am doing jerseys, bike graphics and all when it comes to design/stickers/clothing. He sent me a picture yesterday after the final MXoN race that after loosing his goggles, his eye and the entire face was like a battle in the war Smile So I can only imagine how difficult the conditions were.

So please do not bash your team, they always do their best. RESPECT and BIG thank you to all those guys battling last weekend. It was a great show!!!! And great event!!!!
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10/2/2017 3:51am
First of all congratulations to Team France! They really have this race figured out (kind of like we used to). I am proud of the guys we sent. I'm bummed for Seely and Honda should feel very embarrassed that his bike had a failure like that not once but twice in the same day.
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10/2/2017 3:53am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2017 3:58am
It's amazing how many great riders keep coming out of France. I was just thinking rider for rider I'm not sure USA has em covered. No disrespect to Seely or Covington but if we look rider for rider we obviously would have to put Tomac to cover Febvre or Paulin then who would cover the other of those two? Webb? JMart on a big bike? AC on a big bike?
10/2/2017 4:03am
It was cool seeing GB going in to the event with a real chance, it's been a while since we have been in that position (and may be a while again). There was some great racing and moto 3 kept the gb fans on the edge of their seat to the end.
France have always produced some great riders and we are seeing the fruits of a considerable anateur program by the federation nerturing the talent, hats off.
Any rider that gets to represent their country and doesn't take a knee should hold their head high regardless of results.
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10/2/2017 4:32am
Ahh yea how did I forget about those two. Bagget could for sure take down any of those dudes on his best day I have faith in that. Kid has that full retard mode that only the elite few have lol.
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10/2/2017 4:57am
I sure hope the that Seely and Covington are smart enough to not listen to the dip shits on social media. They stepped up to the plate. They had terrible luck. That's racing.
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10/2/2017 5:08am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2017 5:09am
There's no easy answer to all the related issues. Bottom line, our team was beat. The euros have some great riders now and it's up to the US of A to step up our game. Even if the schedules are aligned and we send our very best riders they would all have to perform really well to be in the mix for the win. They would certainly be in the mix, but no guarantee. It's not like were the only ones having to deal with injuries also. The French were down to their third 250 rider and they didn't include Marvin. I think we need to reconsider the notion that we have the best riders. On any given day, for motocross, which includes mud, sand, rough tracks as a normal conditions, the Europeans are on at least on par right now.

The excuses get old. Saying Seely is not a good mud rider. Well then, I guess he's not as good of a motocross racer. Mud is normal. Before that it was sand, suggesting it favors the euros. Well, maybe our guys should just get better in sand. Sand is normal. We didn't send our top riders. I'm sure the Germans would have like to have had Kenny and the French could have used another 250 guy. Who they sent manned up and did their best. As did our guys, they just got beat. Stop with the excuses. Kudos to the guys we sent. It was not a small commitment. I am grateful they went and will tell them if I ever run into them in the pits. Or, if they read this, thank you!
10/2/2017 7:49am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2017 7:52am
Paul333 wrote:
Hint: It's Social Media, so everyone hates everything. They bitch about Rainbows and Spring days. Who cares? It's not like U.S. fans are any worse than...
Hint: It's Social Media, so everyone hates everything. They bitch about Rainbows and Spring days. Who cares?

It's not like U.S. fans are any worse than the rest of the world.
This^
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10/2/2017 9:58am
Agree.
Not sure if social media makes the few jerks take center stage, or collectively reveals what a bunch of whiners everyone really is.

I saw a great race and was rooting for Team USA. I can't comprehend being upset at any rider (let alone Roger) unless they flat gave up. The guys stood up to represent the team so what kind of a d-bag won't get behind them and give them your full support.

I was pissed with Seely's bike break 2X (WTH !!) but also with Searle's smoked clutch in the first race.
I was stoked with Anstie's breakout ride - I remember him in the states breaking his leg badly and thinking that's over with his career. Glad to be wrong about that one.

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