Latest Rumor/Fact: No Suzuki Factory Team in MXGP and MX2 for 2018

roninho
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9/22/2017 11:33pm Edited Date/Time 9/22/2017 11:39pm
Quite simple awfull management for years, at 3 levels:
At the level of Suzuki: Willing to supply factory bikes and parts, but basically just dropped the ball on getting sponsors/teams on board. Imo just bad management, could have ended up with HSF as MX2 suzuki factory team and Standing construct MXGP factory suzuki team. If you know you need sponsors then don't pick up AJ's option for 2018 but sign Lieber (dad's $) or Bogers (HSF) asap.

At the GP level: All the factories should have seen this coming for years. kill off the whole infrastructure where in the past a privateer who qualified for all gp's could have a decent living. And now GP's are to expensive to run for everyone and we haven't seen any increase in exposure or other income streams for teams to offset cost. If you don't act on that as OEM's then well shame on you. Same for the GP riders, it sucks for guys like Bobry and Nagl, but come on these top riders should have seen this coming as well for ages, and they just let it happen.

And finally the factories in their actual business, the motocross market: expensive 4-strokes, no low cost entry level bike, not offering bikes for kids, less tracks, millions in star rider salaries but not a $/euro/yen spend on keeping circuits/getting additional circuits, etc. etc.

Quite simple the japanese manufacturers only seem to look at keeping the same piece of the pie, but don't seem to realise that the pie is getting smaller and smaller and that they should be working on that.
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9/22/2017 11:41pm
Suzuki haven't done anything with their bikes and no one wants to buy them, so it's a self fulfilling prophesy.

Time to get over it and move on.
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9/22/2017 11:42pm
Ps, of all the people in this thread complaining that Suzuki aren't supporting the sport, how many of you have bought one recently?
9/23/2017 1:03am
Who the f*** would want to buy a Suzuki?
Supporting the sport starts with building good bikes, not ten year old boat anchors on wheels.

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9/23/2017 1:08am
Bruce372 wrote:
Ps, of all the people in this thread complaining that Suzuki aren't supporting the sport, how many of you have bought one recently?
Well Suzuki isn't making a good case for the consumer that wants to support a brand that supports racing and racers.
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9/23/2017 1:23am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2017 3:02am

This is so true ... maybe people don't like to hear but the grassroots of Motocross are not the most sophisticated folks, mostly working class and white trash trailer park audience so to speak, who are crazy enough to put their kids of 4 years old on a dirt bike (this group is also hit the hardest by the economic crisis)... if you know the background of some pro's haha... and on the otherside of the spectrum you have the business owners, manager type of people etc. let's call them the real middle class who think MX is to dangerous but like to ride off road ounces in a while they may have a 2-stroke and 4-stroke maybe also a street bike, jetski or a snowmobile in their garage, just because they can afford it... these of type poeple sell their bikes with only 50 hours on clock who look brand new with all the bells and whistles on it (they shopped really well in the power parts catalog... so to speak) KTM has this audience covered!!!

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9/23/2017 1:27am
Bruce372 wrote:
Ps, of all the people in this thread complaining that Suzuki aren't supporting the sport, how many of you have bought one recently?
Let's see, 15 circuits within 45 minutes from my home, but no suzuki dealer (and trust me a bunch of dealers for ktm, husky etc.). No bikes for kids, and an outdated bike 250-450 bike for years, no 125 2 stroke. Now they finally have an updated version and then they stop with GP's. Why should i buy? Or more importantly how does Suzuki think they will actually make money when they seem to be more on the way out then intended on growing in MX.
9/23/2017 1:27am
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I can't believe so many of you are surprised. The REAL surprise is how long it took for these teams to start dropping out. Do you...
I can't believe so many of you are surprised. The REAL surprise is how long it took for these teams to start dropping out.

Do you guys even watch these races?
-Millions and millions spent for nonsense overseas races.
-No rider salaries
-Almost no motocross on tv due to the ridiculous cost of tv rights
-Virtually no high-dollar outside sponsors
-Almost no satellite teams (and the ones that do exist don't do the overseas races so they play no role in the actual championship)
-No privateers, and thus no incentive for dozens of them to try and go pro, removing the possibility of bringing in new people and new sponsors.
-Ridiculous cost of organzing a GP. The reason why we are seeing a retarded beach race at Assen instead of a real race at one of the many legendary tracks in The Netherlands.

Should I go on?

Please enlighten me exactly how a company like Suzuki could benefit from pumping millions into this circus with all of that nonsense going on?
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9/23/2017 1:41am
ML512 wrote:
He won't be on GEICO next year but...well, close...but yeah, you'll see. Give it a few more days.
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Intriguing, look forward to seeing what comes next for him
F.B wrote:
The new Gariboldi Honda team next season and Geico in 19.
Cats out the bag now
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9/23/2017 1:58am
Ben Townley was the biggest waste of money for Suzuki.
Funny now it's BT's fault
9/23/2017 2:59am
Bruce372 wrote:
Ps, of all the people in this thread complaining that Suzuki aren't supporting the sport, how many of you have bought one recently?
roninho wrote:
Let's see, 15 circuits within 45 minutes from my home, but no suzuki dealer (and trust me a bunch of dealers for ktm, husky etc.). No...
Let's see, 15 circuits within 45 minutes from my home, but no suzuki dealer (and trust me a bunch of dealers for ktm, husky etc.). No bikes for kids, and an outdated bike 250-450 bike for years, no 125 2 stroke. Now they finally have an updated version and then they stop with GP's. Why should i buy? Or more importantly how does Suzuki think they will actually make money when they seem to be more on the way out then intended on growing in MX.
It's crazy if you remember back in 2006-2008 lot's of fast kids were on RM85's in Europe.

I just checked and the last time at least 1 Suzuki competed in the 85cc World Championship was in 2014. Unsure
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9/23/2017 3:34am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2017 3:41am
EnvyMedia wrote:
It's crazy if you remember back in 2006-2008 lot's of fast kids were on RM85's in Europe. I just checked and the last time [b]at least...
It's crazy if you remember back in 2006-2008 lot's of fast kids were on RM85's in Europe.

I just checked and the last time at least 1 Suzuki competed in the 85cc World Championship was in 2014. Unsure
RM85's are still competitive (in the right hands) but, it are the dads that buy the bikes and want the newest of the newest... it only needs some new plastic (facelift) they just don't get it... in the late 80's/early 90's at least 80% was KX80 like now SX85... things can change quickly
9/23/2017 4:46am
F.B wrote:
The new Gariboldi Honda team next season and Geico in 19.
Gariboldi Honda next year with official technical support from Geico Honda.

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9/23/2017 6:22am
Rockstar pulling out didnt help the cause, everts said himself in many interviews that they didnt have the budget to do much.Not surprising the team is folding without the big sponsors. But i do think everts will get something done via private team though.
9/23/2017 6:22am
HSF HRC Honda with Bogers and Gajser in 450 , Lawrence to fill in for Bogers in HSF MX2 team on Honda
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9/23/2017 6:26am
Bruce372 wrote:
Ps, of all the people in this thread complaining that Suzuki aren't supporting the sport, how many of you have bought one recently?
Same people that buy used 2 strokes and complain about Honda, kawy, Suzuki. Then say if they made them ,I d buy one. Knowing they won't buy one.
9/23/2017 6:34am
F.B wrote:
The new Gariboldi Honda team next season and Geico in 19.
Gariboldi Honda next year with official technical support from Geico Honda.

That's a pretty good deal for him. I think he has a very good shot at winning the title if he gets the bike dialed in nicely

What will his brother do though? And Pichon and Vaessen?
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9/23/2017 7:01am
I look at two things when buying a new bike. reliability and cost of ownership. while I think suzuki has come a long way and makes a fairly dependable motorcycle, its not on the level of honda or yamaha in fit and finish. Also, OEM parts cost more than other manufacturers. However, I have seen some amazing deals on year old suzuki bikes still sitting in dealerships. the right price could offset some of my other concerns.
9/23/2017 7:13am
Ben Townley was the biggest waste of money for Suzuki.
Tonynz wrote:
Funny now it's BT's fault
Didn't say it was Townley's fault. It was was the guy that signed him, Everts.

Anyone could see that Townley was never gonna finish the season.
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9/23/2017 7:29am
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/23/216293/s1200_IMG_0484.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/23/216294/s1200_IMG_0485.jpg[/img]




If they re-released that bike at that price they'd sell every one they built.
9/23/2017 7:45am
The next economic crisis is just around the corner.
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9/23/2017 7:54am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2017 7:54am
Ok, so one guy bought a rmz

Everyone else didn't, yet they seem bothered Suzuki are getting out of the sport. Time to move on people.
9/23/2017 7:59am
F.B wrote:
The new Gariboldi Honda team next season and Geico in 19.
Gariboldi Honda next year with official technical support from Geico Honda.

Too hard to contain. Won't happen
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9/23/2017 8:00am
Bruce372 wrote:
Ok, so one guy bought a rmz

Everyone else didn't, yet they seem bothered Suzuki are getting out of the sport. Time to move on people.
I saw that guy at the track last weekend with a new 18 rmz 450.
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9/23/2017 8:10am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2017 1:42pm
ROI: Return On Investment

Is that simple. They had 3 Factory Racing programs in 2017, that I can recall for this discussion.

Europe
Japan
USA

In Europe they had a Factory Program to support a 19 race series. That program is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE & has to show a DIRECT BENEFIT to Suzuki's "bottom-line". That means they need to see that the expense of running a race program is beneficial to their bike sales. So, at the end of the year, someone's asking the question(s): "What do we have to show for all the money we've spent on the GPs this year? How many bikes did we sell due to this effort?"

Same goes for Japan: a Ten Race Series that also, to be fair, has huge R&D benefits and it's their "home series"; but, still...it costs A TON of money to support that series...day to day costs in Japan are insane for a team...things we take for granted like affordable travel (think fuel), lodging, food...those things are astronomically expensive in Japan. So, again, does the expense have a "Return On Investment" that makes sense or is reasonably reflected in their bottom-line?

Then there's the USA: here we have 18 SX races (AMA SX + MEC) & 12 NatIonal Motocross races. 30 races for a budget that's not a whole lot more than what you'd spend in Europe or Japan. Why isn't it "a lot more money"? For starters, JGR has a solid sponsorship package that pays for things that Suzuki paid for in other programs, in-house technical support to off-set what would usually be a Suzuki corporate expense, an unbelievably better amortization schedule for the dollars/yen spent, vastly greater media exposure per dollar/yen (more Magazines and On-Line media, Major Network coverage of SX & sports network coverage of MX...multiple pod-casts...etc.) and...here's the big one...they sell a helluva lot more bikes here.

So, there it is. And...Yes...

It is sad. Suzuki's history in Motocross GPs is paramount. They are almost single handedly responsible for the "Japanese Invasion" of MX-GPs...well, if you're a Suzuki fan you might see it that way...
Roger
Joel
Etc.
So, their absence will be felt and it's something to ponder; but, I'm not going join the fray of Nay-Sayers due to the simple fact that I don't think the sky is falling. This is a corporate financial decision made by a notoriously conservative Japanese corporation (LTD).

Meanwhile, other manufacturers are doubling down and I have a sneaking suspicion we may hear about a new blue team in Europe real soon, too.

Edit: I'd put the US Nationals race qty (12) down as the number of races for the GPs...NOT!
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9/23/2017 9:10am
F.B wrote:
The new Gariboldi Honda team next season and Geico in 19.
Gariboldi Honda next year with official technical support from Geico Honda.

Too hard to contain. Won't happen
I probably don't understand your statement, but in 2015 Geico did the Gariboldi engines too. With results because Gasjer became world champion MX2.
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9/23/2017 9:17am
Fact of the matter is the bold engineer's that changed the Moto world are mostly retired now. Over 40+ years ago this upstart company made history. There are not a lot of pioneer's left in the sport right now, Alta comes to mind.

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9/23/2017 9:21am
Motofinne wrote:
So Suzuki is basically completely backing out of MX. Nothing surprising though, they are lucky to have JGR in USA. How long is the deal between...
So Suzuki is basically completely backing out of MX. Nothing surprising though, they are lucky to have JGR in USA.

How long is the deal between JGR & Suzuki?
Plus have fun finding a Yellow bike at a GNCC or Local Enduro, they are few and far between so not much exposure anywhere.

Perhaps Suzuki plans to focus solely on street bikes and drop moto completely?

Yes it is a stretch but...
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9/23/2017 9:34am
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Plus have fun finding a Yellow bike at a GNCC or Local Enduro, they are few and far between so not much exposure anywhere. Perhaps Suzuki...
Plus have fun finding a Yellow bike at a GNCC or Local Enduro, they are few and far between so not much exposure anywhere.

Perhaps Suzuki plans to focus solely on street bikes and drop moto completely?

Yes it is a stretch but...
Let's face it, Suzuki got out of moto years ago. Anyone that thinks the 2018 bike isn't just a warned over 2008 with a new frame and plastics need a reality check.

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