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Jeff alessi 8/21/2017 9:24pm
8/21/2017 9:24pm
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and that cover up. Osborne worked harder then anyone, a big change was made with him going to that group and it worked for him like EVERY rider before him. It's not hard to see there's some unseen magic hidden in that program. N i dont doubt it will be public knowledge one day. One things forsure, if you want to be a future champion in this sport kids, better have aldon helping you. Guys either a fitness God or a fraud!
Underground 8/21/2017 9:31pm
8/21/2017 9:31pm
Jeff alessi wrote:
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and...
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and that cover up. Osborne worked harder then anyone, a big change was made with him going to that group and it worked for him like EVERY rider before him. It's not hard to see there's some unseen magic hidden in that program. N i dont doubt it will be public knowledge one day. One things forsure, if you want to be a future champion in this sport kids, better have aldon helping you. Guys either a fitness God or a fraud!
That's all I'm saying
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tempura 8/21/2017 11:57pm
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and...
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and that cover up. Osborne worked harder then anyone, a big change was made with him going to that group and it worked for him like EVERY rider before him. It's not hard to see there's some unseen magic hidden in that program. N i dont doubt it will be public knowledge one day. One things forsure, if you want to be a future champion in this sport kids, better have aldon helping you. Guys either a fitness God or a fraud!
So you are saying baker's riders (past and present champions) are knowingly taking performance enhancing drugs?
That's a big accusation, and quite bold of you to say publicly without some kind of evidence.
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downard254 8/22/2017 1:29am
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Title had me thinking it had something to do with Milsaps.
Ditto!

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MiguelT. 8/22/2017 4:20am
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UpTiTe wrote:
You don't pay a guy 125k to train you, you pay him to help you pass a test.
damn right, unfortunately this happens in every sport!
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Gus 8/22/2017 4:37am
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You don't think the guys paying "125k a year", who don't win a title and leave...because that happens ... wouldn't be pissed and jealous etc to come and drop the leak on Aldon? To many egos, alphas and otherwise to not blow the lid on it. I don't buy it.
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DonM 8/22/2017 4:54am
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Wow...just wow!! The accusations being thrown around without knowledge is at an all time high...when I saw this thread I knew it wouldn't take to long before the conspiracy theorists and tin hatters would show up....
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wreckitrandy 8/22/2017 6:06am
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So is it just Baker's guys that are guilty of cheating? Since they're the only ones that ever beat Mike it kinda stands to reason..... Unbelievable.
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3rdgearpinned 8/22/2017 6:36am
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Titan1 wrote:
Is Zach the first person that Aldon has turned into a champion?

Does this give his program more credibility?
I think that Aldon is the major contributing reason to his championship. That and training with other champions. The old saying is, if you want to get faster, ride with faster people.
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Monte122 8/22/2017 6:50am
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This thread delivers... the universe strikes back. SMH.
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I have a feeling this thread won't be in this forum long
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and...
Look what this guys name has turned into, a conspiracy. It ruins riders names who associate with him because his name was associated to Armstrong and that cover up. Osborne worked harder then anyone, a big change was made with him going to that group and it worked for him like EVERY rider before him. It's not hard to see there's some unseen magic hidden in that program. N i dont doubt it will be public knowledge one day. One things forsure, if you want to be a future champion in this sport kids, better have aldon helping you. Guys either a fitness God or a fraud!
Baker wasn't associated with Armstrong's training. You may be thinking of Jeff Spencer?
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mxb2 8/22/2017 8:35am
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UpTiTe wrote:
You don't pay a guy 125k to train you, you pay him to help you pass a test.
Any facts or links?
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UpTiTe 8/22/2017 8:45am
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UpTiTe wrote:
You don't pay a guy 125k to train you, you pay him to help you pass a test.
mxb2 wrote:
Any facts or links?
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UpTiTe 8/22/2017 8:48am
8/22/2017 8:48am
Zacks a great guy that turned himself around, and I waa rooting for him to win.
ridinbeast932 8/22/2017 9:12am
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Underground wrote:
Was watching a documentary on Lance Armstrong getting caught. Some interesting comparisons and observations that sure get you thinking could it be possible in this sport...
Was watching a documentary on Lance Armstrong getting caught. Some interesting comparisons and observations that sure get you thinking could it be possible in this sport. Why do these athletes perform so we'll yet get out so early?
mxtech1 wrote:
I don't know but that show/documentary was amazing and really opened my eyes to a lot of things.

A must watch for any sports enthusiast.
Check out "Icarus" as well. It's on netflix. Very eye opening.
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stingray 8/22/2017 10:26am
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I have no interest in making accusations against specific individuals and at the end of the day I have no idea who’s doing what and who isn’t, but you’d have to be naïve or flat out in denial if you think this isn’t happening in the sport of professional mx.

These are men, and in many cases still kids, who have sacrificed everything, including their childhoods to try and make a career and hopefully one day be a champion in this sport. If you have an opportunity to gain an advantage over your competitors, or even to be on a level playing field when it comes to recovery and being able to get the maximum out of your training, I’d say there’s a lot of motivation to do so. Throw in egos and a sense of competitiveness that most of us can’t even comprehend and you think there’s no incentive for these guys?

The comparisons to professional cycling have been beaten to death and sure it’s not apples to apples, but the mindset for someone who is in the 99th percentile of what they do in the world is no different…as it is in baseball, football, Olympic sports, etc. As with most things, it’s a hell of a lot easier to sit and pass judgement from the outside looking in. I would guess that many of these same people who are in denial are the same ones (it’s ok, I don’t expect you to admit it lol) who argued to the very end that Lance Armstrong was clean all those years. Lance knew he wanted to be the best, he knew what his competitors were doing and he was willing to do whatever it took to make that happen. Does that make him a monster or a bad person? Not in my opinion...
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eGGz 8/22/2017 11:01am
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UpTiTe wrote:
You don't pay a guy 125k to train you, you pay him to help you pass a test.
The cat is out of the bag.
Both Woo and Hoo!

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wreckitrandy 8/22/2017 11:23am
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When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood transfusion? It had to START somewhere. If it started at all.... I don't believe it. I think there is too much to lose for the top riders to cheat.
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mauidex 8/22/2017 11:36am
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wreckitrandy wrote:
When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood...
When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood transfusion? It had to START somewhere. If it started at all.... I don't believe it. I think there is too much to lose for the top riders to cheat.
I can assure you Jeff Spencer never was involved or would accept doping............fuk him and Hannah used to argue about eating steak and eggs for breakfast!??!?! Laughing Laughing
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crowe176 8/22/2017 11:39am
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Was Baggett under Aldons program when he won his championship?
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BobPA 8/22/2017 11:45am
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UpTiTe wrote:
Zacks a great guy that turned himself around, and I waa rooting for him to win.
And now accusing him and his teammates of taking illegal substances. Fan of the year right here...
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wreckitrandy wrote:
When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood...
When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood transfusion? It had to START somewhere. If it started at all.... I don't believe it. I think there is too much to lose for the top riders to cheat.
The earliest I know of is around 84, they were using small doses and it was pretty much experimental, its a lot different now. Now some of the stuff they are taking is prescription that cost big dollar and guys have T.U.E.s. Guys are paid big money, and bigger bonus to perform, you guys dont think some cheat?

One thing I will guarantee you, EVERY FACTORY RIDER since the late 90s that has had a serious injury took HGH while healing.
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TeamGreen 8/22/2017 12:01pm
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Titan1 wrote:
Is Zach the first person that Aldon has turned into a champion?

Does this give his program more credibility?
DonM wrote:
His program has always had credibility...this is just another championship that Aldon had a part to play in it...
Exactly. That is all there is to say.
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wreckitrandy 8/22/2017 12:04pm
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wreckitrandy wrote:
When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood...
When did it start? Team Honda with Spencer? Was Bailey on the juice? The Russians in the 70s? Didn't Falta have leukemia and a complete blood transfusion? It had to START somewhere. If it started at all.... I don't believe it. I think there is too much to lose for the top riders to cheat.
DMG wrote:
The earliest I know of is around 84, they were using small doses and it was pretty much experimental, its a lot different now. Now some...
The earliest I know of is around 84, they were using small doses and it was pretty much experimental, its a lot different now. Now some of the stuff they are taking is prescription that cost big dollar and guys have T.U.E.s. Guys are paid big money, and bigger bonus to perform, you guys dont think some cheat?

One thing I will guarantee you, EVERY FACTORY RIDER since the late 90s that has had a serious injury took HGH while healing.
'Small doses' of what?
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UpTiTe 8/22/2017 12:06pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Zacks a great guy that turned himself around, and I waa rooting for him to win.
BobPA wrote:
And now accusing him and his teammates of taking illegal substances. Fan of the year right here...
LMAO. Despite what you may think, I like Zach, the dude work his ass off to get to where he's at. I remember when he turn pro, he is completely turned his life around.
Underground 8/22/2017 12:16pm
8/22/2017 12:16pm
Take the time to watch this. I have absolutly nothing against Zach by the way, as I love seeing the guys that got turned away and ended up in Europe doing the hard yards come back and win. Just like Mike Brown. Now Covington. I'm just asking the question? How did he step up his stamina that much? Is doping a real possibility? Now there's people in this thread who've been there and done that saying it's been happening for years!
Stop at Nothing: The Lance Armstrong Story
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You think you know this story? You don't. This documentary is an intimate but explosive portrait of the man behind the greatest fraud in sporting history. Lance Armstrong enriched himself by cheating his fans, his sport and the truth. But the former friends whose lives and careers he destroyed, would prove to be his nemesis.
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F.B 8/22/2017 1:01pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
I think you have to be naive to think some riders arent taking PEDs. I have a decent idea of what guys are taking, some are...
I think you have to be naive to think some riders arent taking PEDs. I have a decent idea of what guys are taking, some are legally prescribed, some not. Do some homework on the effects of secretion inhibitors, and why they are used in sports and then look at past riders and who their trainers were.

If youre willing to look, your eyes will be open.

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So much of this sport is fitness. How many of us have ridden local tracks and can go fast for like 2 or 3 laps and can barely hold on after that. That was my biggest issue. I had talent and could ride but couldn't go fast more than a lap or two. It was so frustrating and took the fun out of it. It's baffling to me these guys can go full speed for 30 minutes

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