My 2017 Alta Redshift MX...

peelout
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7/5/2017 2:34pm
do Alta sprocket bolts need to be torqued as regularly as an internal combustion bike?



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mark911
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7/5/2017 2:46pm
peelout wrote:
do Alta sprocket bolts need to be torqued as regularly as an internal combustion bike?



asking for a friend...
I noticed on my Alta that the Flux Capacitor creates a magnetic field strong enough to polarize all bolts positive and all nuts negative, so they stay properly torqued at all times. The inverter emits microwaves as well and it's right under the seat! Dry
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I raced the Alta Redshift MX again this past weekend at the Palmyra Racing Association MX race. I signed up for 3 classes; +30B, +40B, and +50B. The Alta worked great for one practice and all 6 of my motos. I have the charging side of the equation down pat now, and I am easily able to be completely charged up and ready to go for all of my motos.

Now where I need work is getting mentally charged up for tracks that have big jumps. There were a few jumps at the race that I wasn't doing that cost me some time. The older I get the more old-school I get. Slow sigh. It seems like more and more I see a big jump and I make that decision not to do it - I lose 1-2 seconds a lap by not doing it, but on the positive side I potentially save myself 6 months in plaster! And I will be able to race next weekend.

I am coming up on 400 miles (maybe 20-30 hours) on this thing, and it is still awesome! I haven't cleaned an air filter or changed gearbox oil in 6 weeks, and I have probably ridden this thing 25 to 30 times or so.

I did have to perform some critical maintenance on it yesterday though... my left grip started to get a little loose, spinning slightly. I safety-wired it up, so I should be good to go now! I also noticed that one of my race numbers has started to peel up a bit, and one of my fork stickers has a chip in it. And I might as well torque the sprocket bolts too. Damn! More maintenance stuff coming up! Smile

A video of Sunday's race will be coming soon - be patient and be careful sitting on the edge of your seat waiting for it!
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7/12/2017 8:56pm
You'll jump them when/if it's right to do so, you don't need to rush it or push anything.

Great read, thanks! Smile

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7/12/2017 9:32pm
mark911, was that you out at Pala on July 3rd?

I was going to ask you if i could take it for a spin for 20$ haha.
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7/13/2017 7:56am Edited Date/Time 7/13/2017 9:01am
Here is the video from Sunday's race:





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7/13/2017 8:16am
peelout wrote:
do Alta sprocket bolts need to be torqued as regularly as an internal combustion bike?



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The cord needs to swivel freely around the track!



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mark911, was that you out at Pala on July 3rd? I was going to ask you if i could take it for a spin for 20$...
mark911, was that you out at Pala on July 3rd?

I was going to ask you if i could take it for a spin for 20$ haha.
Bryan, wasn't me, but I'll be at milestone today sweating my butt off in the heat.

Ben, that track has some sizable step ups. Jumping a 270lb motorcycle is not something you want to do until you're very comfortable. I suspect the stock springs and valving are pretty soft for you. The more damping you can tolerate the more predicable the bike will leave the jump face and if you happen to land short it'll resist bottoming much better.
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7/13/2017 8:22am
peelout wrote:
do Alta sprocket bolts need to be torqued as regularly as an internal combustion bike?



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kkawboy14 wrote:
The cord needs to swivel freely around the track! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/13/204648/s1200_IMG_0300.jpg[/img]
The cord needs to swivel freely around the track!



I had one of those little Cox powered cars that just went around and around being kept in the endless circle by the tether. It was bad ass! Good times.
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7/20/2017 5:59pm
Finally seeing the southwest getting some love with the ALTA's. AEO Powersports in Mesa, AZ just getting theirs in this week!


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7/20/2017 10:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2017 10:45pm
Stanuc wrote:
I'd pay $15K if she came with it. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/13/200036/s1200_TWMX_Kylie_Alta_02.jpg[/img]
I'd pay $15K if she came with it.



I really like these graphics with the white plastic, but I don't see anything except the yellow plastic on the website (for the MX version). Are different color plastics available or is this strictly a "Factory" thing and not available to the regular buyers? Could you order the MX version with the white plastic that is standard on the SM version?
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7/20/2017 10:49pm
Stanuc wrote:
I'd pay $15K if she came with it. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/13/200036/s1200_TWMX_Kylie_Alta_02.jpg[/img]
I'd pay $15K if she came with it.



swatdoc wrote:
I really like these graphics with the white plastic, but I don't see anything except the yellow plastic on the website (for the MX version). Are...
I really like these graphics with the white plastic, but I don't see anything except the yellow plastic on the website (for the MX version). Are different color plastics available or is this strictly a "Factory" thing and not available to the regular buyers? Could you order the MX version with the white plastic that is standard on the SM version?
Is there even A bike in that pic?
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Some recent work on the new Alta this week. Shoot AEO Powersports a call in Mesa, AZ for info if you're looking to upgrade yours or have any questions on what you can do to these things!
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7/28/2017 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 7/28/2017 3:13pm
mark911 wrote:
I noticed on my Alta that the Flux Capacitor creates a magnetic field strong enough to polarize all bolts positive and all nuts negative, so they...
I noticed on my Alta that the Flux Capacitor creates a magnetic field strong enough to polarize all bolts positive and all nuts negative, so they stay properly torqued at all times. The inverter emits microwaves as well and it's right under the seat! Dry
Awesome, sounds like Alta is the brand to finally bring back the radical design advancements of the RC works machines, uhm, 30 years ago.
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AB884 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/28/206930/s1200_IMG_1331.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/28/206931/s1200_IMG_1332.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/28/206932/s1200_IMG_1333.jpg[/img] Some recent work on the new Alta this week. Shoot AEO Powersports a call in Mesa, AZ for info if you're looking to...






Some recent work on the new Alta this week. Shoot AEO Powersports a call in Mesa, AZ for info if you're looking to upgrade yours or have any questions on what you can do to these things!
Alta sales just took a big spike! That looks GREAT!
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7/28/2017 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 7/28/2017 3:54pm
Finally someone did those side numbers proper. Such a great looking bike.
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So far everything I have read no one has said a negative thing about the 4cs fork on these. I find that strange because everyone complained about them on the KTM.
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7/28/2017 4:01pm
Myke wrote:
So far everything I have read no one has said a negative thing about the 4cs fork on these. I find that strange because everyone complained...
So far everything I have read no one has said a negative thing about the 4cs fork on these. I find that strange because everyone complained about them on the KTM.
Yeah, I expected to not like the forks. Especially considering I'm not in the target weight range. However they worked pretty damn well, maybe not KYB SSS, but they worked well. I'm not sure if Alta worked some magic, or if the electric design and their frame works better with the 4cs. The rear wheel REALLY follows the ground, maybe that translates to a better feeling front end. I'd like to try an Alta with cone valves just to see.
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7/28/2017 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/28/2017 4:36pm
colintrax wrote:
Yeah, I expected to not like the forks. Especially considering I'm not in the target weight range. However they worked pretty damn well, maybe not KYB...
Yeah, I expected to not like the forks. Especially considering I'm not in the target weight range. However they worked pretty damn well, maybe not KYB SSS, but they worked well. I'm not sure if Alta worked some magic, or if the electric design and their frame works better with the 4cs. The rear wheel REALLY follows the ground, maybe that translates to a better feeling front end. I'd like to try an Alta with cone valves just to see.
I think you're on to something. When people have ridden the Alta, especially expert/pro level riders, the reaction is the bike feels faster than it's internal combustion equivalent (and greater). I think this has a lot to do with power delivery of an electric motor with 122 ft/lbs torque.

That's a lot of torque to play with via the computer and power can be delivered in the most optimal way possible which results in, among other things, less wheel spin. Rotational mass and the gyroscopic effects from a crankshaft are also eliminated. No clutch to modulate the power delivery. Just a "throttle."

A lot of variables are removed with the Alta and the power delivery is entirely different so it definitely stands to reason that this is going to also change the way the suspension behaves.

They've had Nate Adams riding the Redshift on ramps. I'm very curious to see/hear/read how all of this changes how the bike can be manipulated in the air from the perspective of a professional FMX rider, where all the aforementioned dynamics of an internal combustion engine are used to their advantage to make the bike appear to defy physics.

This is cool stuff...
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7/28/2017 4:29pm
Awesome looking bike!! Obviously the white plastics are no problem to get
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I just got an Redshift MX and did some laps on my private track yesterday. I'm Vet A MX 56 years old. I do 25 minute practice motos. Initial observations:

Easy enough to get used to.
Suspension valving too soft, turned the clickers in a bunch. Forks top out in whoop section.
Rear spring too stiff and I weigh 200 lbs. No preload and 98 mm sag.
Used about 60% battery for 1 moto. Recharged for 45 minutes while I took a break, barely enough juice to finish the 2nd moto. Map 2.
Struggles to jump the big jumps on my track, especially the 2 big uphill ones jumping up out of the lower elevation. I can easily over jump these on my Husky FC450.

Really my only concern after the initial ride is battery life. OTOH, I can now ignore my previous agreement with the neighbors to not ride on the weekends. 6 motos and practice at a race??? LOL
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A few more thoughts:

Battery life is better than my 1st impression, the battery must not have been fully charged the 1st time (but the meter showed full). It takes just under 50% for one of my motos. Map 3 is better than map 2, doesn't seem to use any more battery and has more hit on the bottom. Bike is really easy to hit cornering lines with, especially on off cambers. In loose turns though the front tire will wash out. The bike hides it's weight until you bobble going slow, then it's heavy. Still struggling with the suspension, it's going to need some work for sure.
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8/28/2017 8:04am
Keefer on the Alta. http://feeds.feedburner.com/pulpmx/WcBg. Being an Alta owner I don't agree with all of his assessment but still very informative for those interested.
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8/28/2017 8:29am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2017 8:30am
Cool, another Alta owner! Welcome to the never clean an air filter again club!

I like map 3 the best, but I will switch to map 2 if the track is really rough, or if it is slick.

I have raced my Alta several times in local motocross and GP style events, and on some tracks/courses the suspension worked well, and on others I ran into the limitations of the suspension. I am 51 years old, 215-220 pounds, and ride at the vet intermediate level.

I just put heavier springs on my Alta, both front and rear, and it feels a lot better now, less wallowly (is that a word?) and the forks don't dive like they used to. I am racing it in a GP race (2 30 minute motos on an mx track with woods sections) this Sunday so I will be able to see how the suspension works with the new springs in race conditions.

And accessing the rear shock was awesome. Three bolts and I was here:



Two more bolts and the shock was off.


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8/28/2017 8:48am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2017 8:49am
Has anyone raced the Alta in mud yet, just curious if it was decent in the mud despite to it's higher weight and no clutch.
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8/28/2017 8:52am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2017 8:52am
RCB33 wrote:
Has anyone raced the Alta in mud yet, just curious if it was decent in the mud despite to it's higher weight and no clutch.
Or what about in the sand?

I asked this before but I'm convinced not many read anything I say on here...
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As far as racing the Alta in the mud, I did a muddy race on it the 3rd day I had it, and then I did a GP race where the wood section was really snotty and muddy, with lots of roots. The Alta worked real well in both situations. As I have mentioned before, I usually race in map 3, but I switched to map 2 and I felt more in control. I have a 2014 KTM 300 XC-W that is set up nicely (Rekluse auto-clutch, steering damper, Neutec Tubliss, hand guards), and I like the Alta better in the woods - if only the battery would last for a 2.5 hour hare scramble.

As far as sand, I haven't ridden it on a track that was all sand, but I have ridden on a track where a couple of corners are sandy and it feels good. Cornering is where the Alta feels better than other bikes I have ridden - it is quick and nimble, and you always have the right amount of power on tap. I feel smoother and more in control.
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8/28/2017 12:55pm
RCB33 wrote:
Has anyone raced the Alta in mud yet, just curious if it was decent in the mud despite to it's higher weight and no clutch.
Here is a video of an Alta in some pretty deep mud. Woods riding not MX though. (the bike in the front at the start of this)

https://youtu.be/aoBtcj7LUeY?t=3m42s
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RCB33 wrote:
Has anyone raced the Alta in mud yet, just curious if it was decent in the mud despite to it's higher weight and no clutch.
Ramrod wrote:
Or what about in the sand?

I asked this before but I'm convinced not many read anything I say on here...
Sand isn't something I had even considered... definitely a valid concern
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todd92 wrote:
A few more thoughts: Battery life is better than my 1st impression, the battery must not have been fully charged the 1st time (but the meter...
A few more thoughts:

Battery life is better than my 1st impression, the battery must not have been fully charged the 1st time (but the meter showed full). It takes just under 50% for one of my motos. Map 3 is better than map 2, doesn't seem to use any more battery and has more hit on the bottom. Bike is really easy to hit cornering lines with, especially on off cambers. In loose turns though the front tire will wash out. The bike hides it's weight until you bobble going slow, then it's heavy. Still struggling with the suspension, it's going to need some work for sure.
Very good feedback from an A rider perspective. You seem able to discern the weakness/ setup issues rapidly.

Once you get the right spring you'll know more. Subscribed for the rest of the story.

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