Bullet-proof reliable dirt bike for a fat guy?

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5/16/2017 8:54pm
Xeno wrote:
CRF 450x

Any year from 2006 to 2017

Put stainless steel valves in it and ride forever.
ab5772 wrote:
This was going to be my answer as well. Bulletproof and plenty of fun.
x3

Great OE parts prices if you ever need to work on it, excellent durability, simply put - they're solid machines...
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Yeah, I am definitely leaning XR unless I find a smoking deal on a CRF or YZ. For some reason the YZs are all way more expensive
($3300 for a nice 2006?) compared to the CRFs ($2900 for a nice 2009).

It seems that non-XRs, like the CRF, KTM, and YZ, are almost all more race (MX?) oriented. I just think those are gonna be more money and maintenance than I want to put into them. But if I find out the XR isn't enough, I can always sell it and upgrade to a CRF or KTM. I just feel like 20-30 hours is a ridiculously low amount of time before an engine needs something big replaced. I guess they just have a lot of stress on them compared to my old DS185 which was treated the same as my go-kart with a 5HP Briggs and Stratton engine.
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mx216 wrote:
2008 CRF450
2007 or 2008 crf 450 .
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Xeno wrote:
CRF 450x

Any year from 2006 to 2017

Put stainless steel valves in it and ride forever.
ab5772 wrote:
This was going to be my answer as well. Bulletproof and plenty of fun.
crc245 wrote:
x3

Great OE parts prices if you ever need to work on it, excellent durability, simply put - they're solid machines...
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch ,bad handling , 10 ,pretty much the same . 11 was a good bit better ,12 was really good . 13 ,terrible gearbox . 14 great bike . 15 loads of problems with the air forks and shock ,16 same prob. plus OP saying he is a fat guy , from 09 on the bikes got tiny and very stinkbug . so when you weight more you end up sitting on the back fender to get it to turn .

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5/17/2017 7:39am
ab5772 wrote:
This was going to be my answer as well. Bulletproof and plenty of fun.
crc245 wrote:
x3

Great OE parts prices if you ever need to work on it, excellent durability, simply put - they're solid machines...
brimx153 wrote:
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch...
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch ,bad handling , 10 ,pretty much the same . 11 was a good bit better ,12 was really good . 13 ,terrible gearbox . 14 great bike . 15 loads of problems with the air forks and shock ,16 same prob. plus OP saying he is a fat guy , from 09 on the bikes got tiny and very stinkbug . so when you weight more you end up sitting on the back fender to get it to turn .

CRF 450X not 450R
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5/17/2017 8:06am
brimx153 wrote:
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch...
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch ,bad handling , 10 ,pretty much the same . 11 was a good bit better ,12 was really good . 13 ,terrible gearbox . 14 great bike . 15 loads of problems with the air forks and shock ,16 same prob. plus OP saying he is a fat guy , from 09 on the bikes got tiny and very stinkbug . so when you weight more you end up sitting on the back fender to get it to turn .

We are talking about the X model, brother.

Big differences between the X and the R models.

The OP should find someone with an X and test ride it- this model works good for big guys.
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brimx153 wrote:
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch...
i disagree with this ,and i am a honda guy , 05 - 08 builtproof (they are soooooo dam good ), 09 bad gearbox ,terrible clutch ,bad handling , 10 ,pretty much the same . 11 was a good bit better ,12 was really good . 13 ,terrible gearbox . 14 great bike . 15 loads of problems with the air forks and shock ,16 same prob. plus OP saying he is a fat guy , from 09 on the bikes got tiny and very stinkbug . so when you weight more you end up sitting on the back fender to get it to turn .

Xeno wrote:
We are talking about the X model, brother. Big differences between the X and the R models. The OP should find someone with an X and...
We are talking about the X model, brother.

Big differences between the X and the R models.

The OP should find someone with an X and test ride it- this model works good for big guys.
dam i miss read that .sorry guys , yep crf x great bike i agree .
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Yeah, I am definitely leaning XR unless I find a smoking deal on a CRF or YZ. For some reason the YZs are all way more...
Yeah, I am definitely leaning XR unless I find a smoking deal on a CRF or YZ. For some reason the YZs are all way more expensive
($3300 for a nice 2006?) compared to the CRFs ($2900 for a nice 2009).

It seems that non-XRs, like the CRF, KTM, and YZ, are almost all more race (MX?) oriented. I just think those are gonna be more money and maintenance than I want to put into them. But if I find out the XR isn't enough, I can always sell it and upgrade to a CRF or KTM. I just feel like 20-30 hours is a ridiculously low amount of time before an engine needs something big replaced. I guess they just have a lot of stress on them compared to my old DS185 which was treated the same as my go-kart with a 5HP Briggs and Stratton engine.
After reading this and the kind of "exploratory" riding I get the feeling you'll be doing...I've got a model that might be prefect for you and there's a lot of'em out there: the KDX 200/220. I ended up with one in '91 and had more fun on it than my KXs that year. I even put my '89 KX125 suspension on it and made it an Off-Road Assassin.

Form 1996 - 2006 they were based on the KX style perimeter frame and were very, very tough and reliable. Most notably, they're CHEAP to buy and there's still a lot of parts out there. A lot of KX parts and accessories fit them, too.

Good Luck!
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5/17/2017 10:34am
Xeno wrote:
CRF 450x

Any year from 2006 to 2017

Put stainless steel valves in it and ride forever.
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5/17/2017 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2017 12:07pm
Go look for an older KTM 400/450EXC with a RFS engine, they can be had on the cheep.

I saw one go for around $3,300 last year.

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Crf 450x used
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Man look for a 2010-2015 YZ 450, it's a big bullet proof bike with a ton of power and very reliable. You're not out racing professionally so it doesn't matter about the handling issues the bike had early on. These bikes should be out there and for not too much either.
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There is a 2007 KTM 300. Are these pretty reliable without much maintenance? I assumed all KTMs are just too high-strung race machines.

Ktm 300:
https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcy/6085858020.html
as a member of the pleasantly plump club (260 6ft) I had an XR400 . It was a good bike, but I could not keep pace with any friend that had a KTM 300. Smooth engine compared to the last 2 stroke I rode (CR250)
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5/17/2017 1:49pm
Someone that only changes the oil every two years doesn't have any business on a motorcycle. Sorry, jmo.
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5/17/2017 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2017 3:30pm
Ing:
That was just with the Suzuki DS 185. I was 13 years old when I started riding it (my dad left it behind when my parents divorced), and I didn't know any better for the first three or four years I bet. I kind of assumed it was just like my go cart. That bike was still going strong for my nephew last I heard in 2010 ( dad bought it in 1981 or 82 I think). *** With a dirtbike I'm fine changing the oil every long ride or every two short rides. I just don't want to have to replace top ends and adjust valves every few rides or anything. ***
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Thanks for all the suggestions everybody.

I'm seeing a few CRF450Rs (but NO x models!), two XR400s, and a KLX300 (2002), that I'll go look at. It seems a lot of people say 'buy the newest looking bike (even if it's older) that you can afford.
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I'm now waiting to find a CRF450x and the XR400--whichever looks less ridden.

SO I'm definitely too fat for an CRF 250x?
Will a 2002 KLX300 haul my lard around? (Lots of people have recommended KTM 300s.)
5/17/2017 4:14pm
Buy the newest low hour 450mx bike you can afford. The chassis and suspension are light years better than an old xr, it's not even close. And trail riding the 450's don't turn any rpm's and they last forever.
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Steve.hackler: The newest I'm finding that I can afford are a lot of 2006-2008s. But you're saying for trails, and newbie riding, I won't be torturing the bike like an MX'er would--so a top end may last 100 hours versus 25?
Like this RMZ450 (but no one has mentioned RMZs): https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcy/6123418076.html
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I'm in no hurry--just gonna wait until I find what I want at a fair price.
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I totally understand the many suggestions for a 450. But you are on a Moto board and not the "trails and donuts" forum. Forget all of that nonsense as those bikes will rip your arms out of the sockets and leave your fat ass rolling on the ground...and coming from a fellow fat ass I can say that.

You like to get your hands dirty every two years and do the unnecessary oil change....go with the XR. If you decide to leave the air cleaner in and feel like cleaning it once in awhile the XR is not going to let you down. It has perfect trail riding power and once n awhile when u want to go on the crash diet and hit the track it will still be a blast to ride. Just hold back on the 60' doubles and u will be just fine.

I really see no other option. Most of the other bikes mentioned will require regular maintenance and if not they will explode and leave you ride less unless you have a couple grand laying around for the rebuild

Good luck and have fun. And remember to always stay as close to the ground as possible. Once you're on the North side of 250ibs air is not your friend
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5/17/2017 5:23pm
I'm pretty fat and owned a 2007 crf450x. Eventually sold it because I didn't get out enough and also disliked riding it in sand. It is about the most bulletproof offroad option (along with the WR yamahas) and is tamer than a 450 mx bike, but still is not going to match an xr400 for reliability. You will have to regularly change the engine & trans oil, and clean the air filter. I tamed mine with a softer throttle cam, too.
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My buddy has an 06 crf450r he bought new, last I knew it was up to 210 hrs and the motor has never been apart. OE top end, valves never checked once, oil changed once a year, still starts 1st or 2nd kick, runs great. He rides/races MX and is pretty fast. Still has the original clutch and even spark plug. I wouldn't recommend neglecting an mx bike like that though.
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5/17/2017 6:01pm
Not a mention of an XR600/650.... where the hell am i?
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5/17/2017 6:24pm
DRZ 400 all day long. It's the off road 4 stroke the xr400 wishes it could be. Get a 01 or 02 model with the Keihen carburetor. At 6ft tall it has more room, handles way better and starts way easier. I have experience with both and the DRZ is better in everyway.
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5/17/2017 6:34pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2017 6:36pm
Older DRZ400s are really expensive for some reason--one guy's asking $3500 for a 2001 (though it looks pretty good). I see 2013s for like $4000-$4500--you'd think an extra 12 years would take off more of the value.
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This guy has the most modded out XR400 I've seen, and I know he's raced it, but if the engine will hold up, it might be a good deal (especially if he'll take $1900): https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcy/6126185105.html
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57 and 250. Big boned, but I don't like to brag. Had a DRZ400S, didn't like it. E is ok though I think.

Then WR450, awesome bike but I didn't like playing with the clutch all day. It was a bit of work though in the tight stuff, it was zippy.

Bought this, been great after I put a damper on it. Lots of low end grunt and the RFS motor is tame by the new stuffs standards. Easy to work on, plate to connect trails. We are growing old together.

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