Bullet-proof reliable dirt bike for a fat guy?

whatgorilla
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Edited Date/Time 5/17/2017 4:14pm
I've been looking mainly at the XR400, due to its reputation as needing nothing but oil and air stuff. I rode dirt a LOT from age 13-19 (riding GA power line trails on a Suzuki DS185, which I probably changed the oil on like once ever two years), but I have only had a few street bikes since then.

However, since I'll mostly be riding trails, with perhaps a few tracks for fun (like 2-3 times a year), I was wondering about the possibility of any 250T options. I'm looking at used, 2000-2008, models.

The problem is that I'm fat--285lbs at 6'. Are there any XR400-like 250T bikes that are almost as bulletproof AND a good bit lighter? Or will I need 400-450 to haul me around? I'm 45 and don't plan on doing anything crazy--I also don't want to do much other than changing oil and air. I know with street bikes, at 30-35, I was the guy who loved the lightweight Ninja 250 while others were riding SV650s (because I could throw them around--of course, I was 185# back then).
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I've been looking mainly at the XR400, due to its reputation as needing nothing but oil and air stuff. I rode dirt a LOT from age...
I've been looking mainly at the XR400, due to its reputation as needing nothing but oil and air stuff. I rode dirt a LOT from age 13-19 (riding GA power line trails on a Suzuki DS185, which I probably changed the oil on like once ever two years), but I have only had a few street bikes since then.

However, since I'll mostly be riding trails, with perhaps a few tracks for fun (like 2-3 times a year), I was wondering about the possibility of any 250T options. I'm looking at used, 2000-2008, models.

The problem is that I'm fat--285lbs at 6'. Are there any XR400-like 250T bikes that are almost as bulletproof AND a good bit lighter? Or will I need 400-450 to haul me around? I'm 45 and don't plan on doing anything crazy--I also don't want to do much other than changing oil and air. I know with street bikes, at 30-35, I was the guy who loved the lightweight Ninja 250 while others were riding SV650s (because I could throw them around--of course, I was 185# back then).
Trails? Jacksonville? You must own a big chunk of land.
mx216
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5/16/2017 12:35pm
2008 CRF450
5/16/2017 12:38pm
KTM 300EXC

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Xeno
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CRF 450x

Any year from 2006 to 2017

Put stainless steel valves in it and ride forever.
whatgorilla
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5/16/2017 1:02pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2017 1:05pm
Ouch to that dune-buggy. I just ended 15 years of being a vegetarian so I could go on this KETO diet. For getting down 26lbs, I'm celebrating with a bike (and a small trailer). Next up, I get my almost 8yr olds two PW70s.
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Evidently a group has leased a ton of land, and they have like 10 miles of trails just south of Mandarin. Also, I think there are some trails like 45 minutes west of me down I-10 (near Osceola).
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So the CRF450 isn't a bike that needs anything besides oil and air? I don't know why I thought they were more high-strung than that (needing a new top or bottom every 40-50 hours).
5/16/2017 1:09pm
Ouch to that dune-buggy. I just ended 15 years of being a vegetarian so I could go on this KETO diet. For getting down 26lbs, I'm...
Ouch to that dune-buggy. I just ended 15 years of being a vegetarian so I could go on this KETO diet. For getting down 26lbs, I'm celebrating with a bike (and a small trailer). Next up, I get my almost 8yr olds two PW70s.
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Evidently a group has leased a ton of land, and they have like 10 miles of trails just south of Mandarin. Also, I think there are some trails like 45 minutes west of me down I-10 (near Osceola).
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So the CRF450 isn't a bike that needs anything besides oil and air? I don't know why I thought they were more high-strung than that (needing a new top or bottom every 40-50 hours).
I was wondering if you knew about River City Dirt Riders. It's a good club.
5/16/2017 1:12pm
Kawasaki KDX 175...
Oh wait...fat guy?
Kawasaki KDX 200
Titan1
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5/16/2017 1:15pm
XR 400...Solid, reliable, easy to ride, go anywhere you want...air cooled...I know a lot of guys street legal them....
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5/16/2017 1:32pm
The 400 is a good bike. But for the price of you find a decent CRF450 and do a few trail mods and have a better ride. Yes they need more maintenance but they a much more capable in all other areas.
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5/16/2017 1:32pm
I don't bleed red....I ride all brands. With that being said...a de-tuned CRF450 or an XR 400 ( or something similar would work great for what you want to do. If it's just trails.....definitely look at the older XR models and possibly the 450X models.

Oh and don't let the weight thing keep you from the bikes. I see a guy at a local MX track out there putting around on an older Suzuki DR400 , and he's about 5-10" tall and well over 450lbs......and you know what?....he's having a blast. That's what counts!
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5/16/2017 1:34pm
Ouch to that dune-buggy. I just ended 15 years of being a vegetarian so I could go on this KETO diet. For getting down 26lbs, I'm...
Ouch to that dune-buggy. I just ended 15 years of being a vegetarian so I could go on this KETO diet. For getting down 26lbs, I'm celebrating with a bike (and a small trailer). Next up, I get my almost 8yr olds two PW70s.
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Evidently a group has leased a ton of land, and they have like 10 miles of trails just south of Mandarin. Also, I think there are some trails like 45 minutes west of me down I-10 (near Osceola).
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So the CRF450 isn't a bike that needs anything besides oil and air? I don't know why I thought they were more high-strung than that (needing a new top or bottom every 40-50 hours).
A well taken care of 450 can get 150 hours out of one of those things. Just keep up on the valve checks and regular maintenance.
5/16/2017 1:37pm
I sure wouldn't say a ten year old 450 CRF needs no maintenance...
In those years, the first alloy frame 250/ 450 WRF were pretty darn reliable and easy to ride.
whatgorilla
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5/16/2017 1:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2017 1:58pm
This is the main bike I'm looking at getting (2000 XR 400), though I'm not in a big hurry--this one just looks like it's been well kept:
https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcy/6063506136.html

There's a 2006 and 2009 CRF450 that are both nice, at $2600 and $2800, but I just think those will be a bit too much bike and need a bit too much maintenance. The 2009 looks almost new (he says "low hours").
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Harry Backmon: Yeah, once I discovered the River City Dirt Riders, I knew I needed to get another bike. Now that I'm getting older, I'm remembering trail-riding as probably the thing that made me most happy in life. I've got some tailbone issues, but I'm going to wear 5 pair of bike shorts if I have to, to get back to riding. Where there's a will there's a way.
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5/16/2017 1:44pm
RMZ 450 seems to work well for RC and Malcolm.
Acidreamer
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5/16/2017 1:45pm
Seriously dude any 450. Get it sprung for your weight and call it a day. All the new bikes are rock solid.
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5/16/2017 1:50pm
KTM 300XCW and thank me later.
731chopper
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5/16/2017 1:57pm
Sounds like a KTM 300 xcw is what you're asking for.
whatgorilla
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5/16/2017 1:59pm
I can't afford those KTMs. I'm trying to stay under $3K for the bike. Sad
ab5772
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5/16/2017 2:31pm
Xeno wrote:
CRF 450x

Any year from 2006 to 2017

Put stainless steel valves in it and ride forever.
This was going to be my answer as well. Bulletproof and plenty of fun.
byke
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5/16/2017 2:43pm
I've known some okies over the years and they all think they take great care of their bikes, which of course they take horrible care of their bikes, so when someone basically states out loud that they don't want to do much and how they had a bike they changed the oil on once in two years, there's no way I'd recommend anything other than an air cooled XR. Buy your XR400 and enjoy a nice torquey bike that will pull you around fine and will take almost any neglect you can throw at it. I'm sure you can find a nice one for $2k or less and then maybe spend any extra money getting the suspension done for your size.
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5/16/2017 2:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2017 2:45pm
I'm in my 40's and bough a 2015 KX250F just for exercise and fun. I used to own a 1999 XR400 back in the day. Todays modern 4 strokes are a lot more maintenance than a XR400, but as long as you buy a bike thats not beat to crap to start with its not too bad.

But for your budget and needs, that XR400 would be tempting. Rebuild the top end, respring it for your weight and it will run for another 20 years and need nothing but oil changes..
FTB
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5/16/2017 3:50pm
Save a bit more and get the KTM 300.
FTB
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5/16/2017 4:41pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2017 5:03pm
There is a 2007 KTM 300. Are these pretty reliable without much maintenance? I assumed all KTMs are just too high-strung race machines.

Ktm 300:
https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcy/6085858020.html
Just get finance on a new one. The weekly repayments cost less than a night out for dinner. Bonus is, you have something to show for it other than an extra few pounds of weight. You can also regain some costs when you sell it.
I pay $39.00 AUD a week for my RMZ. Compare that with hiring a bike for the weekend which costs around $200.00 AUD, plus a deposit. For around $50.00 a week you'll have a NEW bike at your disposal 24/7. Ride it once a week and you'll be getting good value for your $$.

Life is short. Especially for someone who's over weight.

Tell the Mrs it's for weight loss and cardio. Your health is worth every penny you'll spend, and then some. It'll cost less than a gym membership.
If you work hard, you deserve it.

KTM 300's are a 2T tractor. If you go new, a Beta 300 is another excellent option. Better option IMO.
TeamGreen
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5/16/2017 4:55pm
I'd get the cleanest YZ250 that I could find for $3,000.
Mr.Fuller87
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5/16/2017 5:53pm
I'm 240 6ft tall and I ride a CRF 450 with no problems. I can cruise with my son or open it up when I need to.
Hman144
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5/16/2017 7:59pm
Find a low hours used KTM 300. Vet owned. Can't go wrong. Lug it around like an XR, or twist the grip and shred like a 450. They are really a great all-around bike. I still have an EXC my wife bought me for my 35th birthday. I'm 52. Thing has been unreasonably reliable.
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5/16/2017 8:44pm
From what you are saying, I really think that XR is what you are after.

I've owned 4 different XRs since I was a kid ( and I had the same one you are looking at , an 02 XR400 ) and I think you will be really happy on it.

The track part of riding won't be as great, but for trails and other off roading, you won't regret it.

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