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haydos25 4/24/2017 4:34pm
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No. I specifically stated I'm talking about 1 rider and his problem. I specifically said this has nothing to do with Tomac winning and did not...
No. I specifically stated I'm talking about 1 rider and his problem. I specifically said this has nothing to do with Tomac winning and did not state that Anderson would have won. I'm talking about his altitude sickness which must still be a problem if he's experiencing it at a location 1,000 ft lower than Lakewood. Some people have problems with altitude sickness, others have problems with reading comprehension. One is easier to fix, apparently.

I'm saying he should adjust his program to solve this issue. That probably means leaving baker because baker is not keen on tailoring programs to specific riders, but not necessarily. His physiology has specific needs that have to be addressed, however he handles that is his business. He's showed signs again, so it's a repeated, known problem. Fix it.



He probably feels like the more important problem to fix is the 10 races this year he's finished off the podium, rather than moving elsewhere to deal with an issue he may or not have at 2 races in the year, 1 of which he just podiumed at. He obviously believes Aldon is the best person to help him with that, if you don't then good for you.
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No. I specifically stated I'm talking about 1 rider and his problem. I specifically said this has nothing to do with Tomac winning and did not...
No. I specifically stated I'm talking about 1 rider and his problem. I specifically said this has nothing to do with Tomac winning and did not state that Anderson would have won. I'm talking about his altitude sickness which must still be a problem if he's experiencing it at a location 1,000 ft lower than Lakewood. Some people have problems with altitude sickness, others have problems with reading comprehension. One is easier to fix, apparently.

I'm saying he should adjust his program to solve this issue. That probably means leaving baker because baker is not keen on tailoring programs to specific riders, but not necessarily. His physiology has specific needs that have to be addressed, however he handles that is his business. He's showed signs again, so it's a repeated, known problem. Fix it.



Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending more time on a boat doesn't cure someone of sea sickness...
TheGetFresh 4/24/2017 4:51pm
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Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending...
Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending more time on a boat doesn't cure someone of sea sickness...
Are you serious...........
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Everyone is different as to when the lack of O2 will cause issues. After many times in the pressure chamber testing my limits and other pilots limits it is very different for each of us. Even at the same age we were very different. Some guys were done thousands of feet before others. If I were him I would try to relax as best possible and get to the race very early. Maybe even 4 or 5 days early and ride some. Maybe then on race day he will be more relaxed about the issue. He might still not be able to overcome his issues but it is worth a try.

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DonM 4/24/2017 5:18pm
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Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending...
Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending more time on a boat doesn't cure someone of sea sickness...
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Are you serious...........
Yep...but I'm not the argumentative one...
TheGetFresh 4/24/2017 5:35pm
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Yep...but I'm not the argumentative one...
You don't know what you're talking about.
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DonM 4/24/2017 5:38pm
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Yep...but I'm not the argumentative one...
TheGetFresh wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about.
I'm not the one blaming Aldon for Anderson's altitude sickness issues...
TheGetFresh 4/24/2017 6:04pm
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DonM wrote:
Yep...but I'm not the argumentative one...
TheGetFresh wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about.
DonM wrote:
I'm not the one blaming Aldon for Anderson's altitude sickness issues...
My take on his program is an opinion backed by some education and experience. Your statement that training at altitude doesn't help you contend with altitude sickness is just denying facts.

By your logic, Olympic skiers should be getting altitude sickness at the same rate as people who live on the beach.
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DonM 4/24/2017 6:11pm
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TheGetFresh wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about.
DonM wrote:
I'm not the one blaming Aldon for Anderson's altitude sickness issues...
TheGetFresh wrote:
My take on his program is an opinion backed by some education and experience. Your statement that training at altitude doesn't help you contend with altitude...
My take on his program is an opinion backed by some education and experience. Your statement that training at altitude doesn't help you contend with altitude sickness is just denying facts.

By your logic, Olympic skiers should be getting altitude sickness at the same rate as people who live on the beach.
Well I'm glad you have "some" education...my point is some people get altitude sickness and some don't and some people get sea sick and some don't...but according to you...you know more than Aldon...your take on his program is more like speculation and guessing as I'm pretty sure you've never spent any time around Aldon and his program...
TheGetFresh 4/24/2017 6:30pm
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Well I'm glad you have "some" education...my point is some people get altitude sickness and some don't and some people get sea sick and some don't...but...
Well I'm glad you have "some" education...my point is some people get altitude sickness and some don't and some people get sea sick and some don't...but according to you...you know more than Aldon...your take on his program is more like speculation and guessing as I'm pretty sure you've never spent any time around Aldon and his program...
No. Your point verbatim: "Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it"

You actually fucking said that.
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kzizok 4/25/2017 7:14am
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DonM wrote:
Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending...
Ok Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it...just like spending more time on a boat doesn't cure someone of sea sickness...
You are correct. Physiological differences can yield some people more succeptable than others. Those differences are why training at altitude do not immediately fix AMS. Not only that, someone with known AMS issues are cautioned from training at altitude (or should be closely monitored) for the dangers of pulmonary flash edema etc. I would think if Anderson got down from altitude as quick as he said, by not going to the press conference, then it is a known issue (not just the Lakewood race and this one) and has been instructed to do so.
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DonM wrote:
Well I'm glad you have "some" education...my point is some people get altitude sickness and some don't and some people get sea sick and some don't...but...
Well I'm glad you have "some" education...my point is some people get altitude sickness and some don't and some people get sea sick and some don't...but according to you...you know more than Aldon...your take on his program is more like speculation and guessing as I'm pretty sure you've never spent any time around Aldon and his program...
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No. Your point verbatim: "Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix...
No. Your point verbatim: "Altitude sickness is something that some people get no matter what, some worse than others...training in the altitude isn't going to fix it"

You actually fucking said that.
Dan's right. You ought to do a little more reading: a certain athlete has been advised to "get in and get out" for events at altitude. Said athlete is trained by the best, has seen the best doctors and consulted with world class athletes with the same affliction.

But, I could be wrong...
TheGetFresh 4/25/2017 8:47am
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Hypothetical here: if Anderson were to live and train at Lake Tahoe permanently then he would struggle with altitude sickness even after acclimatization. This is what you're saying, right?

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MDMCG 4/25/2017 9:01am
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The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on a weekly basis. If Anderson, or anyone else for that matter had time to acclimate to the altitude he or she would do just fine. Some people are more susceptible to acute changes in altitude and suffer from varying severities of acute mountain sickness (headache, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, insomnia, shortness of breath, etc). Very few go on to progress to High altitude pulmonary edema or high altitude cerebral edema. I see HAPE every week or two and HACE once a year at best. If you've had AMS/HAPE/HACE once you are more likely to get it again, but nothing is a guarantee.

This thread is quite amusing though.
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MDMCG wrote:
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on...
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on a weekly basis. If Anderson, or anyone else for that matter had time to acclimate to the altitude he or she would do just fine. Some people are more susceptible to acute changes in altitude and suffer from varying severities of acute mountain sickness (headache, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, insomnia, shortness of breath, etc). Very few go on to progress to High altitude pulmonary edema or high altitude cerebral edema. I see HAPE every week or two and HACE once a year at best. If you've had AMS/HAPE/HACE once you are more likely to get it again, but nothing is a guarantee.

This thread is quite amusing though.
My daughter gets altitude sickness every time we go skiing out west (Colorado, Utah). We basically write her off for the first day of skiing because she's absolutely miserable. We usually have an oxygen supplier on call before we arrive. Once she's had about 36 hours to adjust, she's good to go, almost like nothing happened. Maybe some fatigue, but that's it.
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Disclaimer, I'm a big JA21 fan, so this isn't bashing him, more curious than anything....

He's from Albuquerque, New Mexico, Elevation 5312 ft....Lakewood CO is 5518 ft, and Salt Lake City is 4226 ft

My question is, how is this an issue at these races? did he always have this and was it an issue when he raced growing up in NM? Is this something that can go away, come back after you have lived closer to sea lever over a period of time?
TheGetFresh 4/25/2017 9:27am
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MDMCG wrote:
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on...
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on a weekly basis. If Anderson, or anyone else for that matter had time to acclimate to the altitude he or she would do just fine. Some people are more susceptible to acute changes in altitude and suffer from varying severities of acute mountain sickness (headache, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, insomnia, shortness of breath, etc). Very few go on to progress to High altitude pulmonary edema or high altitude cerebral edema. I see HAPE every week or two and HACE once a year at best. If you've had AMS/HAPE/HACE once you are more likely to get it again, but nothing is a guarantee.

This thread is quite amusing though.

I've heard of Viagra being used as an emergency medication for HACE and HAPE. Have you ever actually administered it or is it more of an urban legend?

That little blue diamond would look sharp on the husqvarna shroud, btw.
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MDMCG wrote:
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on...
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on a weekly basis. If Anderson, or anyone else for that matter had time to acclimate to the altitude he or she would do just fine. Some people are more susceptible to acute changes in altitude and suffer from varying severities of acute mountain sickness (headache, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, insomnia, shortness of breath, etc). Very few go on to progress to High altitude pulmonary edema or high altitude cerebral edema. I see HAPE every week or two and HACE once a year at best. If you've had AMS/HAPE/HACE once you are more likely to get it again, but nothing is a guarantee.

This thread is quite amusing though.
I dunno about HAPE or HACE but I heard there was some heavy incidence of HAFE at the after party.

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i go to the mtns every year to ride snowmobile (backcountry type riding). If i shoot straight to the lodge at 9,000 ft. i'm out for the count for at least 3 days. If i stop somewhere and stay the night at 6000-8000ft....then make my way to lodge i'm usually only down for 24hrs or less.

the first year when i drove straight to the lodge, it was completely devastating to me. the sport that i live for and plan a weeks vacation around....and i didn't want to leave my bed. That should give you a good idea of how much it affects your system. I was short of breath, headaches, tired...even getting dressed was a huge task. I forced myself to go riding each day and I probably shouldn't have. I was ok while riding but then completely shot when i was done.
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kkawboy14 4/25/2017 10:06am
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DonM wrote:
Based on what??
kkawboy14 wrote:
I think he forgot Anderson just finished 3rd
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I'll just wait til Lakewood and bump this thread.
Cool! If he doesn't go early he's stupid!
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I've heard of Viagra being used as an emergency medication for HACE and HAPE. Have you ever actually administered it or is it more of an...

I've heard of Viagra being used as an emergency medication for HACE and HAPE. Have you ever actually administered it or is it more of an urban legend?

That little blue diamond would look sharp on the husqvarna shroud, btw.
Nifedipine is the drug of choice for HAPE. HACE mortality is high and you gotta go down fast (life flight for me)
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I've given Viagra to neonates and used Cialis for women with pulmonary hypertension.
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Extra water intake and beet juice helps with altitude.
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endurox wrote:
Extra water intake and beet juice helps with altitude.


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endurox wrote:
Extra water intake and beet juice helps with altitude.
i drank gallons and gallons prior to my trips. no help. oddly enough on like day 2 i finally forced myself to eat a burger and drank a mt. dew.....cleared right up after finishing that meal, lol.
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Hypothetical here: if Anderson were to live and train at Lake Tahoe permanently then he would struggle with altitude sickness even after acclimatization. This is what...
Hypothetical here: if Anderson were to live and train at Lake Tahoe permanently then he would struggle with altitude sickness even after acclimatization. This is what you're saying, right?

You're the bright one....you answer your own question.

Idiot.
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drmarkr 4/25/2017 7:37pm
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MDMCG wrote:
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on...
The body gets used to altitude after a few weeks. I live and practice medicine at 9k feet. I see altitude sickness and its progression on a weekly basis. If Anderson, or anyone else for that matter had time to acclimate to the altitude he or she would do just fine. Some people are more susceptible to acute changes in altitude and suffer from varying severities of acute mountain sickness (headache, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, insomnia, shortness of breath, etc). Very few go on to progress to High altitude pulmonary edema or high altitude cerebral edema. I see HAPE every week or two and HACE once a year at best. If you've had AMS/HAPE/HACE once you are more likely to get it again, but nothing is a guarantee.

This thread is quite amusing though.
Indeed, it is.....
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Altitude sickness is weird.
My oldest daughter (born in Colorado and living at 5,000') gets it occasionally when we go skiing (between 9,500' and 11,200')
Total crap shot from one weekend to the next if she is going to get sick or be just fine.
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Altitude sickness is weird. My oldest daughter (born in Colorado and living at 5,000') gets it occasionally when we go skiing (between 9,500' and 11,200') Total...
Altitude sickness is weird.
My oldest daughter (born in Colorado and living at 5,000') gets it occasionally when we go skiing (between 9,500' and 11,200')
Total crap shot from one weekend to the next if she is going to get sick or be just fine.
My favorite is when a mountain local goes to Florida for a week and gets AMS when they return to their home. The body acclimates quite quickly in both directions.
TheGetFresh 4/26/2017 12:12am
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Hypothetical here: if Anderson were to live and train at Lake Tahoe permanently then he would struggle with altitude sickness even after acclimatization. This is what...
Hypothetical here: if Anderson were to live and train at Lake Tahoe permanently then he would struggle with altitude sickness even after acclimatization. This is what you're saying, right?

drmarkr wrote:
You're the bright one....you answer your own question.

Idiot.
You posted immediately after this post by quoting a doctor who lives at altitude claiming Anderson would be able to adjust if he were to move to altitude, which was the exact point I was making.

Fuck off.

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