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JW381 4/2/2017 8:14pm
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JW381 wrote:
Go check youtube, racer x, twmx. You're wrong, not to mention you're quite the troll.
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Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey...
Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey wouldn't have beaten Tomac. Nothing was affected
That was the first time I've called you a troll, which you are. The race was affected, Chad fucked up.
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JW381 wrote:
Go check youtube, racer x, twmx. You're wrong, not to mention you're quite the troll.
rutcross wrote:
Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey...
Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey wouldn't have beaten Tomac. Nothing was affected
JW381 wrote:
That was the first time I've called you a troll, which you are. The race was affected, Chad fucked up.
The race was not affected. Tomac wins, Dungey gets second. Marvin affected this race more than Chad.
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JW381 4/2/2017 8:25pm
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rutcross wrote:
Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey...
Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey wouldn't have beaten Tomac. Nothing was affected
JW381 wrote:
That was the first time I've called you a troll, which you are. The race was affected, Chad fucked up.
rutcross wrote:
The race was not affected. Tomac wins, Dungey gets second. Marvin affected this race more than Chad.
Marvin also affected the race, yes. Reed held up Dungey, ruining any possible attempt Ryan had at battling with Tomac. I don't think he would have beat Tomac, either. But because of Reed, we'll never know for sure. Who's to say that Dungey couldn't have put a little pressure on Eli, something he hasn't had much of, and made a mistake?

I'm not a Dungey fan boy, far from it. I think he's a square, a dweeb, and his racing style bores me as a fan. And his mom seems like a bitch. I'm a fan of racing and I think Reedy fucked up and wrongfully ruined a race.
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I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away...
I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away because a 16th place lapper wanted to be a baby. Passing cleanly is hard (Tomac/Grant). Dive bombing in and taking a guy out is actually much easier. I don't believe there was any risk of the AMA doing anything to RD for forcing his way by a lapper in that situation.
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There's always a risk of Dungey going down too in that situation and losing one or two more spots. I don't think a 3 time sx...
There's always a risk of Dungey going down too in that situation and losing one or two more spots. I don't think a 3 time sx champ needs anyone telling him how to win championships. Dungey is not a dirty rider, plain and simple. He goes out, races his own race and wins a lot.

Not only that, but Reed is the type of rider that if Dungey did punt him, he would wait around for the next lap and retaliate. He would also go straight to the race officials to bitch and moan about it. Like it or not, that's Reed. Like it or not, Dungey will continue to be Dungey and show up next week and give his all to win.
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I don't disagree with you. I guess what bothers me about the whole thing in terms of Dungey is that there does come a point where...
I don't disagree with you. I guess what bothers me about the whole thing in terms of Dungey is that there does come a point where you need to fight for a title, for your own interests. I think he's an incredible racer, a true champion, and a great ambassador for the sport, and my favorite rider. but... I thought the situation warranted a little more fight from him. He shouldn't have been in the situation, but he was. As for Reed, totally classless. 16th place, getting lapped, and he wants to mess with a guy's title hopes?? I learned a lot about him. I'm less than a fan.
I can agree with that. I too wish he had a little more aggressiveness. I hope he has a little left to give these next couple weeks and we see him fight a little harder.

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ehr400 wrote:
So now on the Monday show, the bro show of Matthes and JT will barely act like anything happened, JT will completely defend him like the...
So now on the Monday show, the bro show of Matthes and JT will barely act like anything happened, JT will completely defend him like the yes man he is and Steve will maybe disagree a second then fall in line with the industry insiders. Now if this was Friese, Stew, or Barcia JT and Steve would shit all over them.
This is an erroneous post
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honda123 4/2/2017 9:03pm
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I believe if dungey kept his mouth shut after the heat race he probably wouldn't of had a problem with reed in the main, seems similar to the Rossi Marquez situation a couple years ago, if Rossi kept his mouth shut after Phillip island he probably would've won that championship, dungeys gonna have trouble getting past reed the rest of the year now

but yeah I agree what reed did in the main was abit much
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jnickell 4/2/2017 9:07pm
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If Reed acted like an adult this wouldn't have happened.
StartedTooLate 4/2/2017 9:16pm
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If Reed acted like an adult this wouldn't have happened.
Again, in the fable of the scorpion and the frog, who is the fool?
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jnickell 4/2/2017 9:24pm
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If Reed acted like an adult this wouldn't have happened.
StartedTooLate wrote:
Again, in the fable of the scorpion and the frog, who is the fool?
I was responding to honda123's fable.
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When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we...
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we was doing. He knew it would create a storm, and he did it anyway. He is OK with it. If he gets a penalty..he will not complain. If he loses fans, frankly, he does not care at this stage in his career. You guys make these points about how Reed was "WRONG"....like that is news or he does not know it. LOL. Reed will never try to defend this as being right. If you are willing to do the time, or pay the penalty, do the crime. If you can carry it, that is your call. Those are the rules.

In the fable of the Frog and Scorpion, who is the fool?

Dungey should learn a lesson here. You are contending for a title, and there are 19 other riders, who can ruin it for you. Not by beating you, but by ruining your race. When you are a title contender, you have a different level of vulnerability. You can not get into needless feuds with other riders. If you have issues with them, you have to handle them outside the public spotlight.

Dungey called out Reed, and this is what he gets. He poked a bear that he did not have to poke.

This is the reason a rider like Barcia (or even Ando) can NEVER win a title, even if they had the speed. Too much baggage out in the open. To many riders will screw them when they have the chance to get back.
Most logical thing ive ever read here.
And, despite what others think, this is the exact truth.
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JW381 4/2/2017 10:51pm
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StartedTooLate wrote:
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we...
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we was doing. He knew it would create a storm, and he did it anyway. He is OK with it. If he gets a penalty..he will not complain. If he loses fans, frankly, he does not care at this stage in his career. You guys make these points about how Reed was "WRONG"....like that is news or he does not know it. LOL. Reed will never try to defend this as being right. If you are willing to do the time, or pay the penalty, do the crime. If you can carry it, that is your call. Those are the rules.

In the fable of the Frog and Scorpion, who is the fool?

Dungey should learn a lesson here. You are contending for a title, and there are 19 other riders, who can ruin it for you. Not by beating you, but by ruining your race. When you are a title contender, you have a different level of vulnerability. You can not get into needless feuds with other riders. If you have issues with them, you have to handle them outside the public spotlight.

Dungey called out Reed, and this is what he gets. He poked a bear that he did not have to poke.

This is the reason a rider like Barcia (or even Ando) can NEVER win a title, even if they had the speed. Too much baggage out in the open. To many riders will screw them when they have the chance to get back.
goinrcn44h wrote:
Most logical thing ive ever read here.
And, despite what others think, this is the exact truth.
That is definitely an insightful way of looking at it. At least it assumes that what Reed did was wrong, rather than trying to defend it or skew the argument.
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StartedTooLate wrote:
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we...
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we was doing. He knew it would create a storm, and he did it anyway. He is OK with it. If he gets a penalty..he will not complain. If he loses fans, frankly, he does not care at this stage in his career. You guys make these points about how Reed was "WRONG"....like that is news or he does not know it. LOL. Reed will never try to defend this as being right. If you are willing to do the time, or pay the penalty, do the crime. If you can carry it, that is your call. Those are the rules.

In the fable of the Frog and Scorpion, who is the fool?

Dungey should learn a lesson here. You are contending for a title, and there are 19 other riders, who can ruin it for you. Not by beating you, but by ruining your race. When you are a title contender, you have a different level of vulnerability. You can not get into needless feuds with other riders. If you have issues with them, you have to handle them outside the public spotlight.

Dungey called out Reed, and this is what he gets. He poked a bear that he did not have to poke.

This is the reason a rider like Barcia (or even Ando) can NEVER win a title, even if they had the speed. Too much baggage out in the open. To many riders will screw them when they have the chance to get back.
goinrcn44h wrote:
Most logical thing ive ever read here.
And, despite what others think, this is the exact truth.
Dungey decided to 'follow' / wait for a rider he'd pissed off to move over for him.

What he should have done, was take different lines, and try to pass. He's been criticized for his 'following' for years now. And that's just what he did - follow, instead of race through.

He certainly did 'Poke The Bear', and Reed is not one to be poked. I'm no fan boi of Reeds, never have been, despite my Nationality, but even I could see that Dungey bleating about him previously was going to get Reeds back up, especially if Reed regarded the previous start incident as being Dungey's fault. To me, that was just part of racing, by the way, but perhaps Reed did not share the same viewpoint.
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teggers 4/2/2017 11:44pm
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30 years later, I still haven't forgotten bad passes in my racing days.

Sometimes you just can't forget a shit move..... I always retaliated.
It wasn't right, it wasn't wrong. It's the history you lay down and live with it.

Chad had his reasons.
I hope he never says why.

On the other hand,
Maybe he is just a big donkey dick.
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StartedTooLate wrote:
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we...
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we was doing. He knew it would create a storm, and he did it anyway. He is OK with it. If he gets a penalty..he will not complain. If he loses fans, frankly, he does not care at this stage in his career. You guys make these points about how Reed was "WRONG"....like that is news or he does not know it. LOL. Reed will never try to defend this as being right. If you are willing to do the time, or pay the penalty, do the crime. If you can carry it, that is your call. Those are the rules.

In the fable of the Frog and Scorpion, who is the fool?

Dungey should learn a lesson here. You are contending for a title, and there are 19 other riders, who can ruin it for you. Not by beating you, but by ruining your race. When you are a title contender, you have a different level of vulnerability. You can not get into needless feuds with other riders. If you have issues with them, you have to handle them outside the public spotlight.

Dungey called out Reed, and this is what he gets. He poked a bear that he did not have to poke.

This is the reason a rider like Barcia (or even Ando) can NEVER win a title, even if they had the speed. Too much baggage out in the open. To many riders will screw them when they have the chance to get back.
goinrcn44h wrote:
Most logical thing ive ever read here.
And, despite what others think, this is the exact truth.
I'll +1 this as well. Dead on explanation really.
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ehr400 4/3/2017 2:58am
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So now on the Monday show, the bro show of Matthes and JT will barely act like anything happened, JT will completely defend him like the...
So now on the Monday show, the bro show of Matthes and JT will barely act like anything happened, JT will completely defend him like the yes man he is and Steve will maybe disagree a second then fall in line with the industry insiders. Now if this was Friese, Stew, or Barcia JT and Steve would shit all over them.
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This is an erroneous post
Really? Hard to be honest and critical when you are bro's with certain groups of guys right? But if you arent in their group you will get criticized on the show.

If this was anyone else holding up Reed JT would blow them out ont he show. Steve may or may not depending what rider it is. If it was Barcia, Anderson, or some others he would.
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Kasims 4/3/2017 3:10am
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda..
Not gonna defend Reed here, but..90% was watching this race blindfolded or what?
4min30sec plus 2laps left after Dunge made pass on him, 4.1sec to 8sec gap in finish, was nearly 10sec gap at one moment, and Tomac obviously slowed down last lap, need to say more?
scott_nz 4/3/2017 3:26am
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I really agree with the people that think Reed will cop a penalty on the chin, in face, I think that the FIM/AMA (john Gallaher?? ) did not black flag him because of the uproar and the threats of legal action the last time they black flagged him,

3 laps holding up 2nd place, should get you black flagged,

If he gets penalised, he will winge like fuck,
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bobojim 4/3/2017 4:13am
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coastlinecascot wrote:
Reed just lost a ton of fans he worked hard over the years to earn!!!
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Nahhhh I don't think so. Will still get the biggest cheer. Will still have the biggest autograph line in the pits. Guy is a Hero of...
Nahhhh I don't think so. Will still get the biggest cheer. Will still have the biggest autograph line in the pits. Guy is a Hero of the sport.
Yep. I would line up to tell him off too.

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bobojim 4/3/2017 4:16am
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda.. Not gonna defend Reed here, but..90% was watching this race blindfolded or what? 4min30sec plus 2laps left after Dunge made pass on him...
Shoulda, coulda, woulda..
Not gonna defend Reed here, but..90% was watching this race blindfolded or what?
4min30sec plus 2laps left after Dunge made pass on him, 4.1sec to 8sec gap in finish, was nearly 10sec gap at one moment, and Tomac obviously slowed down last lap, need to say more?
Yep, because there were only a few laps left. The race was over. Or do you have a really low view of Tomac's ability and super high view of Dungey - as if he could just wipe off a second a lap to Tomac?
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bobojim 4/3/2017 4:17am
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SoCalMX70 wrote:
I'll +1 this as well. Dead on explanation really.
Doesnt change that Reed is an idiot.
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How many fans did MC lose in 06 when he messed with JS7?

I'm surprised that Dungey would even start something with a guy like Reed this late in the season. Nothing good would ever come from that...
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nealb129 4/3/2017 6:20am
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Part of me kinda hopes that by the time Vegas comes around dungey is behind 10+ pts and his main mission is to punt reed off the track multiple times. It won't happen but it would make for some good entertainment!
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Part of me kinda hopes that by the time Vegas comes around dungey is behind 10+ pts and his main mission is to punt reed off...
Part of me kinda hopes that by the time Vegas comes around dungey is behind 10+ pts and his main mission is to punt reed off the track multiple times. It won't happen but it would make for some good entertainment!
Dungey is too much of a professional and a clean racer to seriously punt Reed. That's a plus & a minus, imo. I'd love to see him push Reed over the tuff blocks in the first turn at Seattle...and see how Reed likes coming up from dead last...but that's just my selfish desire for vengeance.

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kaptkaos 4/3/2017 6:57am
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Marvin also affected the race, yes. Reed held up Dungey, ruining any possible attempt Ryan had at battling with Tomac. I don't think he would have...
Marvin also affected the race, yes. Reed held up Dungey, ruining any possible attempt Ryan had at battling with Tomac. I don't think he would have beat Tomac, either. But because of Reed, we'll never know for sure. Who's to say that Dungey couldn't have put a little pressure on Eli, something he hasn't had much of, and made a mistake?

I'm not a Dungey fan boy, far from it. I think he's a square, a dweeb, and his racing style bores me as a fan. And his mom seems like a bitch. I'm a fan of racing and I think Reedy fucked up and wrongfully ruined a race.
How the hell can you come on here and say that about his mother? Have you no common decency? Seriously man, your point was well taken until that remark, which has no place here.
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mx_563 4/3/2017 7:09am
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I've been travelling the past week and out of the loop....what exactly did Dungey do to provoke Reed? I gather he called him immature but what were the circumstances? Where/when did he call him that and why?
Thx
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I've been travelling the past week and out of the loop....what exactly did Dungey do to provoke Reed? I gather he called him immature but what...
I've been travelling the past week and out of the loop....what exactly did Dungey do to provoke Reed? I gather he called him immature but what were the circumstances? Where/when did he call him that and why?
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I'd like to know the same. I missed the Dungey provocation.
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If it took RD 3 laps to get around 22 while he was lapping him, how the fuck was he going to pass someone who is faster ? The only reason he has the red plate is b/c of a mechanical with Eli's bike. ET has won 8 races to Dungey's 2.......Never smart to make enimies on the track, especially if you need all the help you can get and are loosing points to a faster rider every round.
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kkawboy14 4/3/2017 7:26am
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Did you guys know Matthes used to be Tim Ferrys mechanic?
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Marvin also affected the race, yes. Reed held up Dungey, ruining any possible attempt Ryan had at battling with Tomac. I don't think he would have...
Marvin also affected the race, yes. Reed held up Dungey, ruining any possible attempt Ryan had at battling with Tomac. I don't think he would have beat Tomac, either. But because of Reed, we'll never know for sure. Who's to say that Dungey couldn't have put a little pressure on Eli, something he hasn't had much of, and made a mistake?

I'm not a Dungey fan boy, far from it. I think he's a square, a dweeb, and his racing style bores me as a fan. And his mom seems like a bitch. I'm a fan of racing and I think Reedy fucked up and wrongfully ruined a race.
"His mom seems like a bitch" you are a trifling cunt. You talk shit about some guy you have never mets mother? Michelle is very nice, always has been. Keep your piss ass mom comments to yourself.
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Excaliburbmx 4/3/2017 7:46am
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The only points implication was Marvin laying up. Dungey has not caught and passed Tomac in a while. But Tomac has .

Dungey needed Marvin to lay down even with the points lead. Tomac is taking it like a boss.

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