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kiwifan 4/2/2017 2:34pm
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I am a Reed fan, but it was a dick move on Reed's part...doesnt make me not a fan of him tho. I dont give up on supporting a rider because of one event.... Smile
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ldub777 4/2/2017 2:42pm
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No question Reed gets a fine! Can't say Ryan would have caught Eli because of other lappers, but he was running faster laps and was close at one point. Irregardless, blue flags where up and Reed did not move over and even looked over his shoulder and started racing Dungey from 16th place. Shamefully unprofessional and childish. My respect for him dropped even more. Payback or not, he should be slapped hard. We all saw it and AMA should do something about!!!
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Rhody 4/2/2017 2:57pm
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As someone who traveled from my home state of AZ with our son and took members of my family to see the races last night and...
As someone who traveled from my home state of AZ with our son and took members of my family to see the races last night and got to witness a very good race in the 250 mains, the 450 main was shaping up to be a fantastic race as well. I spent easily over $1000 on the trip to see the races as a fan. Dungey was pressuring Eli, and Eli was making slight mistakes from the pressure which allowed Dungey to close the gap. I don't know what was shown on TV yet as I have not been able to watch the races on TV, but you could see the slight mistakes being made from Eli when he and Dungey were racing close. It was shaping up to be a great race then Douche Douche took matters into his own hands and took all the air out of the room by playing road block. Total douche move.

While the race was going on and Tomac/Dungey were going at it, there were at least 6 kids on our immediate area that were jumping up and down, yelling, and screaming for their respective riders. We were all laughing at their passion. After the douche move had it's impact, they sat down, ate their cotton candy, and played with their toy motorcycles they got in the pits earlier in the day. As you said, thanks Reed.....assclown
This!

Chad took away all the entertainment value of that Main event. I was a fan back in the day, faded, really got disgusted when the first SX I attended Oakland 2013) was ruined by Chad taking out the whole field in the 2nd turn, spotting RV a 5 second lead by the 3rd corner. I got over it, and was pulling ofor him to get 1 more win, but last night he just decided, " Tohell with the race that the fans paid to see, I just want to get my petty revenge for being called "immature". And if he was bent about last weeks start, aren't all MX/SX starts a shit show? I figure if you are in the pack at the first corner, shit is just gonna happen once in while, and don't they all lean on each other?

On another note, I am disappointed in Dungey. I still like him, but he's lost a little bit as of late. I thought it was weak to complain about Chad's riding in the heat, it is racing after all, it's not like that was practice. Secondly, if a lapper is holding you up, you give the guy 3 corners and then plant him in a tough block, don't follow for 3 laps and be butt hurt after the race. He may have bit his tongue in the interview, but he was still butt hurt. I would rather see Ryan retire than ride with no fire. I'm already a Tomac and Wilson fan,, so I won't miss a beat. (Since I'm not like Stewart fans, there will not be years of anguish when my favorite quits riding).
Todd_Dooley 4/2/2017 3:20pm
4/2/2017 3:20pm
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When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we...
When you poke a bear, even an old one, nothing good comes of it. Reed is a big boy, and he knew damn well what we was doing. He knew it would create a storm, and he did it anyway. He is OK with it. If he gets a penalty..he will not complain. If he loses fans, frankly, he does not care at this stage in his career. You guys make these points about how Reed was "WRONG"....like that is news or he does not know it. LOL. Reed will never try to defend this as being right. If you are willing to do the time, or pay the penalty, do the crime. If you can carry it, that is your call. Those are the rules.

In the fable of the Frog and Scorpion, who is the fool?

Dungey should learn a lesson here. You are contending for a title, and there are 19 other riders, who can ruin it for you. Not by beating you, but by ruining your race. When you are a title contender, you have a different level of vulnerability. You can not get into needless feuds with other riders. If you have issues with them, you have to handle them outside the public spotlight.

Dungey called out Reed, and this is what he gets. He poked a bear that he did not have to poke.

This is the reason a rider like Barcia (or even Ando) can NEVER win a title, even if they had the speed. Too much baggage out in the open. To many riders will screw them when they have the chance to get back.
This is a interesting statement and consistent with Chad's words in 2015 early in the season when Eli and Chad were having issues. Chad was like "He's messing with the wrong guy, I have nothing to lose, he does, I'm out of the points race".

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Park and Huck 4/2/2017 3:34pm
4/2/2017 3:34pm
First rule in showbiz: Stay relevant... if this is how Chad thinks he's staying relevant, well, I'm not really sure what say. In a sport clamouring for something interesting, he manages to fuck up potentially the most interesting Main of the year for a petty feud. Fine him large.
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Stoop 4/2/2017 3:47pm
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Nothing like a bunch of Internet losers telling Reed he's lost their respect, I'm sure he's absolutely devastated Grinning Grinning Grinning carry on
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MX_Andrew83 4/2/2017 3:49pm
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As much whining as Chad has done over the years, he would have lost his mind if the tables were turned...
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No question Reed gets a fine! Can't say Ryan would have caught Eli because of other lappers, but he was running faster laps and was close...
No question Reed gets a fine! Can't say Ryan would have caught Eli because of other lappers, but he was running faster laps and was close at one point. Irregardless, blue flags where up and Reed did not move over and even looked over his shoulder and started racing Dungey from 16th place. Shamefully unprofessional and childish. My respect for him dropped even more. Payback or not, he should be slapped hard. We all saw it and AMA should do something about!!!
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PRM31 4/2/2017 5:48pm
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Not sure which disappoints me more, Reed acting like a douche bag or Dungey not having the nuts to punt him.

Go Eli!
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gnarwhip 4/2/2017 5:57pm
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Funny how people think Chad made a difference in the outcome of this race. Has Dungey passed Tomac ONE TIME this season? No.
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kiwifan 4/2/2017 6:24pm
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PRM31 wrote:
Not sure which disappoints me more, Reed acting like a douche bag or Dungey not having the nuts to punt him.

Go Eli!
if the shoe was on the other foot what do you think Reed would of done...remember the Reed-Canard incident?
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MX690 4/2/2017 6:32pm
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Stoop wrote:
Nothing like a bunch of Internet losers telling Reed he's lost their respect, I'm sure he's absolutely devastated Grinning Grinning Grinning carry on
This. It's laughable the known Reed haters in this thread saying how they have lost respect for him and are no longer fans, most of the losers in this thread were never fans in the first place. I'm sure Chads at home upset about a bunch of Whiney nobodies crying in their cornflakes over him.
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Ozy 4/2/2017 6:54pm
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Nobody said boo about dungey T-boning JS7 at A1 a year or two back and ruining his season and that was a total chickenshit move! no way this hurts Reed with sponsors or costs him a ride. Nothing but love for the old man of moto CR22
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agn5009 4/2/2017 7:16pm
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If reed was fighting for the win and some Joey in 16th place got in his way causing Reed to lose a substantial amount of time he'd be pissed.
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PRM31 4/2/2017 7:17pm
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PRM31 wrote:
Not sure which disappoints me more, Reed acting like a douche bag or Dungey not having the nuts to punt him.

Go Eli!
kiwifan wrote:
if the shoe was on the other foot what do you think Reed would of done...remember the Reed-Canard incident?
I think nearly all of the great champions would have punted Reed after maybe 4 turns. And they would have been justified. Reed was getting lapped.

But, like I said, I almost lose more respect (not sure that's the right word) for Dungey than for Reed. Dungey is racing for a championship and the guy he needs to beat at some point was just ahead of him. IMO he should not let a lapper take away a chance to race Eli. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, so be it. But sometimes you can at least influence things, or at least try...
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Micahdogg 4/2/2017 7:19pm
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Berm wrote:
When people mention that Reed would be pissed if it happened to him; that's 100% correct, and also the reason Reed did it to Dungey. He...
When people mention that Reed would be pissed if it happened to him; that's 100% correct, and also the reason Reed did it to Dungey. He wanted to get back at Dungey for his comments yesterday and actions last week, so he did something he figured would piss Ryan off (because Reed knows it would piss himself off).
...if it werent for the championship, i could get behind this. You gotta put it all aside for the guys with the math that works IMO
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Berm 4/2/2017 7:21pm
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Berm wrote:
When people mention that Reed would be pissed if it happened to him; that's 100% correct, and also the reason Reed did it to Dungey. He...
When people mention that Reed would be pissed if it happened to him; that's 100% correct, and also the reason Reed did it to Dungey. He wanted to get back at Dungey for his comments yesterday and actions last week, so he did something he figured would piss Ryan off (because Reed knows it would piss himself off).
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...if it werent for the championship, i could get behind this. You gotta put it all aside for the guys with the math that works IMO
My statement wasn't a comment on whether or not it was the right thing to do.
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The universe is gonna get that guy.

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jnickell 4/2/2017 7:25pm
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PRM31 wrote:
Not sure which disappoints me more, Reed acting like a douche bag or Dungey not having the nuts to punt him.

Go Eli!
kiwifan wrote:
if the shoe was on the other foot what do you think Reed would of done...remember the Reed-Canard incident?
PRM31 wrote:
I think nearly all of the great champions would have punted Reed after maybe 4 turns. And they would have been justified. Reed was getting lapped...
I think nearly all of the great champions would have punted Reed after maybe 4 turns. And they would have been justified. Reed was getting lapped.

But, like I said, I almost lose more respect (not sure that's the right word) for Dungey than for Reed. Dungey is racing for a championship and the guy he needs to beat at some point was just ahead of him. IMO he should not let a lapper take away a chance to race Eli. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, so be it. But sometimes you can at least influence things, or at least try...
It's really a catch 22. Let's say RD plays rough and stuffs CR. Who knows what kind of ruling the AMA or Feld or whoever it is lays on him... Or, let's say that RD plays rough and ends up with CR's footpeg in his front wheel. RD had to also consider the fact that CR was being lame and didn't want to risk being cleaned out. This wasn't simply a lapper inadvertently getting in the way. This was a 5 year old trying to take back his toy.
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agn5009 4/2/2017 7:28pm
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PRM31 wrote:
Not sure which disappoints me more, Reed acting like a douche bag or Dungey not having the nuts to punt him.

Go Eli!
kiwifan wrote:
if the shoe was on the other foot what do you think Reed would of done...remember the Reed-Canard incident?
PRM31 wrote:
I think nearly all of the great champions would have punted Reed after maybe 4 turns. And they would have been justified. Reed was getting lapped...
I think nearly all of the great champions would have punted Reed after maybe 4 turns. And they would have been justified. Reed was getting lapped.

But, like I said, I almost lose more respect (not sure that's the right word) for Dungey than for Reed. Dungey is racing for a championship and the guy he needs to beat at some point was just ahead of him. IMO he should not let a lapper take away a chance to race Eli. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, so be it. But sometimes you can at least influence things, or at least try...
I don't think you understand how hard it is to pass a top 20 pro in sx. Ask Tomac how easy it was to pass Grant in the heat and Tomac is obviously on another level than Grant. Every one of those lappers could easily derail a leaders race if they wanted. The difference is most of them are better than that.
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PRM31 4/2/2017 7:32pm
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I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away because a 16th place lapper wanted to be a baby. Passing cleanly is hard (Tomac/Grant). Dive bombing in and taking a guy out is actually much easier. I don't believe there was any risk of the AMA doing anything to RD for forcing his way by a lapper in that situation.
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davistld01 4/2/2017 7:39pm
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I think I read somewhere that Reedy flipped RD off at the end of the race when Ryan was yelling & motioning at him. Can anybody that was there say? Not that if he did Reed would come off looking any worse...
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JW381 4/2/2017 7:44pm
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I usually don't get into these things, but that was so stupid and hypocritical. Reed is one of the biggest whiners this sport had ever seen - always unhappy with the bike, or the track, or another rider. So for him to go and play road block for 3 laps is just downright stupid.

And for those that say Dungey should have just passed/stuffed him, he shouldn't have to risk going down or making an unnecessary mistake to pass the guy in 16th. Reed of all people knows that.

I go on and off being a Reed fan, but that sealed the deal for me. Fans drive the sport, and I think Reed lost a lot last night.
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agn5009 4/2/2017 7:45pm
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PRM31 wrote:
I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away...
I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away because a 16th place lapper wanted to be a baby. Passing cleanly is hard (Tomac/Grant). Dive bombing in and taking a guy out is actually much easier. I don't believe there was any risk of the AMA doing anything to RD for forcing his way by a lapper in that situation.
There's always a risk of Dungey going down too in that situation and losing one or two more spots. I don't think a 3 time sx champ needs anyone telling him how to win championships. Dungey is not a dirty rider, plain and simple. He goes out, races his own race and wins a lot.

Not only that, but Reed is the type of rider that if Dungey did punt him, he would wait around for the next lap and retaliate. He would also go straight to the race officials to bitch and moan about it. Like it or not, that's Reed. Like it or not, Dungey will continue to be Dungey and show up next week and give his all to win.
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PRM31 4/2/2017 7:56pm
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PRM31 wrote:
I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away...
I get it. It would be hard and there would be risk. But an opportunity to tilt the SX championship back his way was getting away because a 16th place lapper wanted to be a baby. Passing cleanly is hard (Tomac/Grant). Dive bombing in and taking a guy out is actually much easier. I don't believe there was any risk of the AMA doing anything to RD for forcing his way by a lapper in that situation.
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There's always a risk of Dungey going down too in that situation and losing one or two more spots. I don't think a 3 time sx...
There's always a risk of Dungey going down too in that situation and losing one or two more spots. I don't think a 3 time sx champ needs anyone telling him how to win championships. Dungey is not a dirty rider, plain and simple. He goes out, races his own race and wins a lot.

Not only that, but Reed is the type of rider that if Dungey did punt him, he would wait around for the next lap and retaliate. He would also go straight to the race officials to bitch and moan about it. Like it or not, that's Reed. Like it or not, Dungey will continue to be Dungey and show up next week and give his all to win.
I don't disagree with you. I guess what bothers me about the whole thing in terms of Dungey is that there does come a point where you need to fight for a title, for your own interests. I think he's an incredible racer, a true champion, and a great ambassador for the sport, and my favorite rider. but... I thought the situation warranted a little more fight from him. He shouldn't have been in the situation, but he was. As for Reed, totally classless. 16th place, getting lapped, and he wants to mess with a guy's title hopes?? I learned a lot about him. I'm less than a fan.
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rutcross 4/2/2017 8:01pm
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I usually don't get into these things, but that was so stupid and hypocritical. Reed is one of the biggest whiners this sport had ever seen...
I usually don't get into these things, but that was so stupid and hypocritical. Reed is one of the biggest whiners this sport had ever seen - always unhappy with the bike, or the track, or another rider. So for him to go and play road block for 3 laps is just downright stupid.

And for those that say Dungey should have just passed/stuffed him, he shouldn't have to risk going down or making an unnecessary mistake to pass the guy in 16th. Reed of all people knows that.

I go on and off being a Reed fan, but that sealed the deal for me. Fans drive the sport, and I think Reed lost a lot last night.
You'll be surprised how few fans he lost. Step out from the walls of vital.
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kzizok 4/2/2017 8:05pm
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Since it would be nearly impossible to read all the Reed/Dungey posts, I have a question. Has it been determined (or at least a consensus reached) where and when this feud originated from? It was from a previous race, right? Like, last week previous?
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Micahdogg 4/2/2017 8:08pm
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It doesnt have to be one or the other. I've rooted for the guy for 12 years and still will. But that was a stupid move on his part and i cant just geyt right with it. Nor do i feel the need to hate on him because of it. It is what it is, he was wrong, period.
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JW381 4/2/2017 8:08pm
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JW381 wrote:
I usually don't get into these things, but that was so stupid and hypocritical. Reed is one of the biggest whiners this sport had ever seen...
I usually don't get into these things, but that was so stupid and hypocritical. Reed is one of the biggest whiners this sport had ever seen - always unhappy with the bike, or the track, or another rider. So for him to go and play road block for 3 laps is just downright stupid.

And for those that say Dungey should have just passed/stuffed him, he shouldn't have to risk going down or making an unnecessary mistake to pass the guy in 16th. Reed of all people knows that.

I go on and off being a Reed fan, but that sealed the deal for me. Fans drive the sport, and I think Reed lost a lot last night.
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You'll be surprised how few fans he lost. Step out from the walls of vital.
Go check youtube, racer x, twmx. You're wrong, not to mention you're quite the troll.
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rutcross 4/2/2017 8:10pm
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Go check youtube, racer x, twmx. You're wrong, not to mention you're quite the troll.
Jesus man, give up the troll comments. And Dungey put himself in this situation. All involved will be racing in 5 short days. It's over. Dungey wouldn't have beaten Tomac. Nothing was affected

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