JH84 the 2017 MX1 GP Champion

3/20/2017 3:43am
OP=Idiot.
3/20/2017 3:56am
OP is that guy who will claim Roczen couldn't handle the Americans after his injury.
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3/20/2017 4:19am
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My opinion post from the race thread. In my opinion Jeffrey is doing what he has failed to do in the past and thats salvage points...
My opinion post from the race thread.

In my opinion Jeffrey is doing what he has failed to do in the past and thats salvage points when injured. He's made good progress from Qatar but to me he looks to be still riding injured. For sure the right move is to tell the press that he's not quick enough so that when he is fully fit and isn't quite on the pace he doesn't look so cocky.

Very mature stuff from Jeffrey in previous years he would have been balls out and telling everyone he's going to win by 30secs and end up crashing out of the season. This season he is doing what Cairoli did in 2015 and 2016. Smart move
Barrzy256 wrote:
Failed to do in the past.... The guy broke his femur, and still attempted to ride with it broken. You can't ride with some broken bones!
Exactly a pretty dumb thing to do and he will admit that.

My point is that he is containing himself whilst injured and not doing anything dumb like ride with a broken femur which could of ended his career. I'm praising him not criticising
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3/20/2017 4:28am
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I don't think he expected to win. I think he was just expecting to be better, which he was, second moto especially he wasn't very far...
I don't think he expected to win. I think he was just expecting to be better, which he was, second moto especially he wasn't very far off at all
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Actually he gave an interview a week Before Argentina in which he said he expected a win to be out of the question, but to battle...
Actually he gave an interview a week Before Argentina in which he said he expected a win to be out of the question, but to battle for a podium and be disappointed to be outside top 5.

As for the OP and "where did all the experts go": you can have a fair discussion on if Herlings will ever dominate this class or even win the title. But anyone thinking that this is the max Herlings is capable of (a 13-7 finish in motos he didn't crash) has either never seen Herlings ride before or is just trolling.
Yeah I have no doubt in my mind that he will be disappointed in his results, having said that, he wasn't too far off a top 5 in the second moto, so maybe he wasn't that far off on his hopes for the weekend, if he could've gotten 2 good starts maybe top 5 wasn't an impossibility. It's also worth pointing out that he is still beating some very very good guys, even with being less than 100%

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3/20/2017 5:36am
One major advantage the GP'S have over the AMA nationals is the time off between races. JH would have already lost the title in America due to their being a race every weekend but he has time to heal and he is not completely out of it. AC screwed the pooch this weekend and left at least 20 points on the table. He has a small chance of catching up if things go his way and against others.
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3/20/2017 6:12am
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One major advantage the GP'S have over the AMA nationals is the time off between races. JH would have already lost the title in America due...
One major advantage the GP'S have over the AMA nationals is the time off between races. JH would have already lost the title in America due to their being a race every weekend but he has time to heal and he is not completely out of it. AC screwed the pooch this weekend and left at least 20 points on the table. He has a small chance of catching up if things go his way and against others.
Also more potential winners to spread out the points.
3/20/2017 6:23am
RandyS wrote:
Where did all of you experts go?
well even at plant level of intelligence this has to be deemed as pretty low.
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3/20/2017 6:29am
Herlings fanboys or Stewart fanboys, I'm torn.
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3/20/2017 6:30am
I saw the same post about it not having anything to do with the hand. That being said, I just feel like JH doesn't want to make excuses, and I never place too much emphasis on the first two or three rounds of the season. Those first few races just don't seem to be too representative of the feel of the championship. Of course, I don't follow the GP's that close so I may very well not have a clue what I'm talking about. I want to start following the racing more closely cause it seems like much better racing than SX.
3/20/2017 6:32am
Like I've said...he's not as fast as you guys think he is. If he can't beat guys in MXGP...how the hell could he beat our guys in USA?
3/20/2017 6:38am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2017 6:40am
RandyS wrote:
Herlings fanboys or Stewart fanboys, I'm torn.
Just not idiots, that's all.

3 rounds in, 3, this was the first 2 week break he had since the season started to actually ride and get further in the healing. He had a much better performance, watch him ride - look at his body language, now tell me does that look Herlings? No.

He is refusing to use the hand as an excuse, it clearly is and anybody with half a brain can see but he knows what the stupid ass majority of the internet and apparent MX fans are like so why allow them the chance to call him an excuse maker.

Come round 6 when back in Europe and let's revisit.
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3/20/2017 6:45am
He will be himself again when round 6 shows up (Valkenswaard). Round 7 is Latvia, so two tracks that suit him a lot. Won't be suprised if he goes 1-1-1-1.
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3/20/2017 7:08am
RG1 wrote:
Yeah I have no doubt in my mind that he will be disappointed in his results, having said that, he wasn't too far off a top...
Yeah I have no doubt in my mind that he will be disappointed in his results, having said that, he wasn't too far off a top 5 in the second moto, so maybe he wasn't that far off on his hopes for the weekend, if he could've gotten 2 good starts maybe top 5 wasn't an impossibility. It's also worth pointing out that he is still beating some very very good guys, even with being less than 100%
I find it interesting that some people will say that 'setup' and other minor differences will make all the difference to a rider's performance, but having a broken hand is no reason for Herlings to be at anything less than his best.
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3/20/2017 7:19am
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and that he under estimated the level of the MXGP riders and is now trying to catch up...again he said the hand is fine...
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3/20/2017 7:24am
DonM wrote:
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and...
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and that he under estimated the level of the MXGP riders and is now trying to catch up...again he said the hand is fine...
The thing is, look at the few times they we're focusing on him in Argentina. He looked horrible(especially in the first moto). And anyone that has seen Herlings ride more than twice should know that the arm/hand is still bothering him. I'm sure that Herlings said that to motivate or push himself, but he is far from 100%. Lets not forget that he went 1-2 in his first race on the 450 in Maggiora MXdN.
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DonM wrote:
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and...
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and that he under estimated the level of the MXGP riders and is now trying to catch up...again he said the hand is fine...
Motofinne wrote:
The thing is, look at the few times they we're focusing on him in Argentina. He looked horrible(especially in the first moto). And anyone that has...
The thing is, look at the few times they we're focusing on him in Argentina. He looked horrible(especially in the first moto). And anyone that has seen Herlings ride more than twice should know that the arm/hand is still bothering him. I'm sure that Herlings said that to motivate or push himself, but he is far from 100%. Lets not forget that he went 1-2 in his first race on the 450 in Maggiora MXdN.
If Herlings says his hand is fine then it's probably fine...what he is dealing with is he had two off season injuries and the time lost to prepare so his preparations are happening now, he's just behind everyone...he should be better at Leon
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3/20/2017 7:32am
DonM wrote:
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and...
The OP is trolling....and seems to have caught a few fish....With that said Malin did quote Herlings in saying that the hand is fine now and that he under estimated the level of the MXGP riders and is now trying to catch up...again he said the hand is fine...
Motofinne wrote:
The thing is, look at the few times they we're focusing on him in Argentina. He looked horrible(especially in the first moto). And anyone that has...
The thing is, look at the few times they we're focusing on him in Argentina. He looked horrible(especially in the first moto). And anyone that has seen Herlings ride more than twice should know that the arm/hand is still bothering him. I'm sure that Herlings said that to motivate or push himself, but he is far from 100%. Lets not forget that he went 1-2 in his first race on the 450 in Maggiora MXdN.
DonM wrote:
If Herlings says his hand is fine then it's probably fine...what he is dealing with is he had two off season injuries and the time lost...
If Herlings says his hand is fine then it's probably fine...what he is dealing with is he had two off season injuries and the time lost to prepare so his preparations are happening now, he's just behind everyone...he should be better at Leon
That might be true. I just have a difficult time to believe that the hand is 100%. When the producer focused on him in moto 1 and he looked like he was just rolling around the track. There was zero aggressiveness in his riding.
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3/20/2017 7:33am
Herlings always maintained he would need to be 100% healthy and prepared before starting his MXGP campaign. That was one of the reasons he stayed in MX2 for so long, so I'm not sure he underestimated the competion.

His hand may well be feeling better but there's absolutely no way Herlings is back to anywhere near his best. In Indonesia he said he doesn’t want to start up front because he doesn’t feel confident enough to run with the leading guys yet and you can visibly see a lack of confidence in his riding.
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3/20/2017 7:41am
DeStouwer wrote:
He will be himself again when round 6 shows up (Valkenswaard). Round 7 is Latvia, so two tracks that suit him a lot. Won't be suprised...
He will be himself again when round 6 shows up (Valkenswaard). Round 7 is Latvia, so two tracks that suit him a lot. Won't be suprised if he goes 1-1-1-1.
Me neither.

Just hoping he's 100% before round 6. In 2 weeks is the GP in Leon, Mexico. That would be 6,5 weeks after the fracture, exactly the healing time for a broken hand normally. 5 races under his belt now, time to up his game.
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3/20/2017 7:44am
jamma10 wrote:
Herlings always maintained he would need to be 100% healthy and prepared before starting his MXGP campaign. That was one of the reasons he stayed in...
Herlings always maintained he would need to be 100% healthy and prepared before starting his MXGP campaign. That was one of the reasons he stayed in MX2 for so long, so I'm not sure he underestimated the competion.

His hand may well be feeling better but there's absolutely no way Herlings is back to anywhere near his best. In Indonesia he said he doesn’t want to start up front because he doesn’t feel confident enough to run with the leading guys yet and you can visibly see a lack of confidence in his riding.
Just repeating what Malin quoted Herlings as saying that he underestimated the MXGP riders...
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3/20/2017 7:51am
RG1 wrote:
Yeah I have no doubt in my mind that he will be disappointed in his results, having said that, he wasn't too far off a top...
Yeah I have no doubt in my mind that he will be disappointed in his results, having said that, he wasn't too far off a top 5 in the second moto, so maybe he wasn't that far off on his hopes for the weekend, if he could've gotten 2 good starts maybe top 5 wasn't an impossibility. It's also worth pointing out that he is still beating some very very good guys, even with being less than 100%
Robgvx wrote:
I find it interesting that some people will say that 'setup' and other minor differences will make all the difference to a rider's performance, but having...
I find it interesting that some people will say that 'setup' and other minor differences will make all the difference to a rider's performance, but having a broken hand is no reason for Herlings to be at anything less than his best.
Especially the right hand too. He says the hand is getting better, which I'm sure it is, but anyone who's seen him ride at all can easily tell that everything is still not 100%. He's going to get better every race, just a long and frustrating process
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3/20/2017 8:05am
I haven't read through the whole thread. But I bet that hand is still bugging him some ( maybe a lot ) and from watching the broadcast , they mentioned that Jeffrey said " Hey , I under estimated the competition in the MX1 class....and I'm not fast enough and need to get better ".

That's a pretty humble thing to say , and I'm sure he'll be just fine once he gets used to racing them 450's. Those guys are animals in that class , and fast as hell. Maybe give him more than 3 rounds to prove himself , is all I'm saying.
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3/20/2017 8:24am
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I haven't read through the whole thread. But I bet that hand is still bugging him some ( maybe a lot ) and from watching the...
I haven't read through the whole thread. But I bet that hand is still bugging him some ( maybe a lot ) and from watching the broadcast , they mentioned that Jeffrey said " Hey , I under estimated the competition in the MX1 class....and I'm not fast enough and need to get better ".

That's a pretty humble thing to say , and I'm sure he'll be just fine once he gets used to racing them 450's. Those guys are animals in that class , and fast as hell. Maybe give him more than 3 rounds to prove himself , is all I'm saying.
Sounds a lot better than saying 'I'd be killing these guys if my hand didn't hurt'.

I'm sure that a fit Herlings will still have his hands full with Gajser and Cairoli but I'm also sure that his injury, and the lack of riding as a result is hurting his performance for the time being.
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3/20/2017 9:03am
For me, Herlings is one of the best riders in the World, if not THE One.

His problem is not the speed, or riding technique, his problem is, that he is clumsy.

Watch Febvre, Cairoli, or Gajser in crash. Allways the same, Febvre has some back Wheel grip problems, as does Cairoli, and the crashes are more or less controlled. Gajsers problems are mainly balance, as he pushes the front Wheel too much, but Gajser is extremely agile. His background is alpine skiing and Judo. He is like the rubber on the bike, witch we can't say about Herlings.

As He was injured all the time on 250 bike, he Will become an invalid on 450. His crashes are just not controlled, and almost every time, some of his bones are broken.

I feel bad for him, really do. 450 bike Will brake him physically and mentally. I belive he Will win some races, but I don't belive he Will win any championship any more.

Get well Jeffrey.
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3/20/2017 9:32am
Arni wrote:
For me, Herlings is one of the best riders in the World, if not THE One. His problem is not the speed, or riding technique, his...
For me, Herlings is one of the best riders in the World, if not THE One.

His problem is not the speed, or riding technique, his problem is, that he is clumsy.

Watch Febvre, Cairoli, or Gajser in crash. Allways the same, Febvre has some back Wheel grip problems, as does Cairoli, and the crashes are more or less controlled. Gajsers problems are mainly balance, as he pushes the front Wheel too much, but Gajser is extremely agile. His background is alpine skiing and Judo. He is like the rubber on the bike, witch we can't say about Herlings.

As He was injured all the time on 250 bike, he Will become an invalid on 450. His crashes are just not controlled, and almost every time, some of his bones are broken.

I feel bad for him, really do. 450 bike Will brake him physically and mentally. I belive he Will win some races, but I don't belive he Will win any championship any more.

Get well Jeffrey.
I sure hope you're wrong...

Needs to get some falling-course like in judo and parachute jumping
3/20/2017 9:51am
Let's face it. If he can ride fast enough to be within 1 SECOND of the fastest laps, his hand isn't the issue. He couldn't go close to that pace if his hand pain is that bad. He needs more speed. He doesn't have it. You can take pain pills for that...
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3/20/2017 10:09am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Let's face it. If he can ride fast enough to be within 1 SECOND of the fastest laps, his hand isn't the issue. He couldn't go...
Let's face it. If he can ride fast enough to be within 1 SECOND of the fastest laps, his hand isn't the issue. He couldn't go close to that pace if his hand pain is that bad. He needs more speed. He doesn't have it. You can take pain pills for that...
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3/20/2017 10:15am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Let's face it. If he can ride fast enough to be within 1 SECOND of the fastest laps, his hand isn't the issue. He couldn't go...
Let's face it. If he can ride fast enough to be within 1 SECOND of the fastest laps, his hand isn't the issue. He couldn't go close to that pace if his hand pain is that bad. He needs more speed. He doesn't have it. You can take pain pills for that...
You guys are ridiculous, did you not see him drop 222 at MXON? He will be top 3 in the next 2-3 rounds if not winning.

I still think Gajser has him covered personally, but I am biased because I have always liked Gajser.

If he goes all out and crashes while recovering from an injury you guys all say, WHY DIDNT HE TONE IT DOWN WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!! He is still recovering and trying to at least score some points. I dont care what he said in the interview, you can tell in his riding his wrist/hand isnt 100%.
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3/20/2017 11:02am
It's the bike . That KTM 450 is a p.o.s.
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3/20/2017 11:39am
Rowlands wrote:
My opinion post from the race thread. In my opinion Jeffrey is doing what he has failed to do in the past and thats salvage points...
My opinion post from the race thread.

In my opinion Jeffrey is doing what he has failed to do in the past and thats salvage points when injured. He's made good progress from Qatar but to me he looks to be still riding injured. For sure the right move is to tell the press that he's not quick enough so that when he is fully fit and isn't quite on the pace he doesn't look so cocky.

Very mature stuff from Jeffrey in previous years he would have been balls out and telling everyone he's going to win by 30secs and end up crashing out of the season. This season he is doing what Cairoli did in 2015 and 2016. Smart move
Remember what we were saying about Webb when his results at the beginning of the season were terrible ? What's wrong what's wrong ....when it's as simple as him not being comfortable yet and finding his mojo!!! He has been hurt but prior to he was up front and battling for podium spots !!

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