FELD you failed the fans and racers @ Motofest

motosickness 2/23/2017 7:03am
2/23/2017 7:03am
A missed promotion opportunity by Feld if you ask me.... They could have given the top ten AX finishers a "golden ticket" all expense paid SX race pass for the night. Give the top AX qualifier or finisher for Sat night a bonus or something. There are endless cool things that could be done with all of the talent there from both series. Also that could've been there spotlight time filler on the broadcast instead of how to put he correct psi in your tires or something.
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DAG 2/23/2017 7:03am
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Seems to me the team manager should have used the advantage and had his guys run the AX to getvtrack time then.
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-eagle- 2/23/2017 7:22am
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So when the road to supercross actually leads to a supercross there shall be no supercross riding.
Seems logical.

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Moens_Andy 2/23/2017 7:28am
2/23/2017 7:28am
I would like to see the top 5 or 10 of each class in AX get a chance to qualify at SX if they make it good on them if not they know they need to work harder.
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Highsider 2/23/2017 7:52am
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Did I miss a mention that the AX track only uses two lanes of the SX layout?

Racing Friday night AX is not really giving an unfair advantage, IMO. Sad
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ob 2/23/2017 8:01am
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Bad decision, that could have made for some excitement that's for sure.
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TXDirt 2/23/2017 8:03am
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-eagle- wrote:
So when the road to supercross actually leads to a supercross there shall be no supercross riding.
Seems logical.
+1 for you!
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Ryno23 2/23/2017 8:32am
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GuyB wrote:
Bashing Feld is so in right now. Not sure that would be a decision for them to make. Sounds more like a sanctioning body decision. How...
Bashing Feld is so in right now.

Not sure that would be a decision for them to make. Sounds more like a sanctioning body decision.

How about if a bunch of SX guys wanted to race AX the night before? How would that go over?
your bottom statement WOULD happen to some extent. Don't expect Ryan Dungey or Eli Tomac to line up but I know pro racers need to make money. So some of the "barely make the main" SX guys would go for the "easy" money in the AX class and then do the SX race. That is just how it works when you race for a living and aren't making bank at the top. You go for any money you know you have a shot at.
mattyhamz2 2/23/2017 9:13am
2/23/2017 9:13am
I could be wrong, but this seems like more of an AMA/FIM decision than a FELD decision. I don't like FELD either, but I don't see them having much to do with this decision
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oshow 2/23/2017 9:18am
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Anyone bitching please just don't come.. it's too crowded anyway.

Watch it on tv, maybe it will be live.
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trevor310mx 2/23/2017 9:27am
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oshow wrote:
Anyone bitching please just don't come.. it's too crowded anyway.

Watch it on tv, maybe it will be live.
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Adam43 2/23/2017 9:34am
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Feld picks their battles.

If there was ever any doubt on who really has the juice in this sport - it's the OEMs.

This is a ridiculous move, but Feld obviously felt it preferable to cave for the small amount of heat they'll receive.

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seth505 2/23/2017 9:39am
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akillerwombat wrote:
It appears I might be standing alone on this one but being able to practice, qualify, and race (multiple times) on the track the day before...
It appears I might be standing alone on this one but being able to practice, qualify, and race (multiple times) on the track the day before anyone else is a huge advantage as exemplified by how we always hear the question on RDL, "was being able to ride press day helpful?". I doubt this would have any effect on the top SX guys but it could have huge implications for all of the SX only privateers.

If they decided to do all SX qualifying in conjunction with AX qualifying I'd be much more open to it... although those racing AX would be able to experience the track fully deteriorated which then poses another situation.
How is it any different than a race like Southwick? That track is tricky to master, the locals always do really well compared to normal samplings because they ride it all year long/since amateurs. The best still rise to the top when it comes to final motos.
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MXMattii 2/23/2017 9:47am
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If there isn't a rule preventing this, I would race. Screw FELD! Lawyers will help.
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akillerwombat 2/23/2017 10:03am
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seth505 wrote:
How is it any different than a race like Southwick? That track is tricky to master, the locals always do really well compared to normal samplings...
How is it any different than a race like Southwick? That track is tricky to master, the locals always do really well compared to normal samplings because they ride it all year long/since amateurs. The best still rise to the top when it comes to final motos.
Difference is Southwick is there all year (like almost all nationals are) and anyone can go ride it at anytime. SX tracks are built the week they are raced and everyone racing them is seeing them for the first time that week(end).

I understand that the top 5 guys get a bit of an unfair advantage being able to ride press day but as you stated the fact of the matter is they would still be the top 5 guys dominating without getting that extra few minutes the day before as proven when Villo sat out of practice and shit when he was sick but still pulled off a decent main... but, we're a sport, and our sport needs press so we parade the top guys out the day before to increase awareness of what's going on the following day. Where it undeniably hurts is the lower guys fighting to make the night show in qualifying. If you are one of those guys on the bubble and someone of a similar skill level has a whole day to ride / race the track before you do he has a huge advantage over you of making the night show. That is undeniable. You line up to qualify on a track that you haven't ridden once and the guy next to you has already thrown down 100 laps on it... not quite a level playing field.

Do I like it? No. I'd love to see the AX guys mix it up with the SX guys, but just like how no one is stopping the SX guys from racing AX the day before and skipping the SX race no one is stopping the AX guys from skipping the AX qualifying / racing and trying to make the SX night show.
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whyZ 2/23/2017 10:12am
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akillerwombat wrote:
It appears I might be standing alone on this one but being able to practice, qualify, and race (multiple times) on the track the day before...
It appears I might be standing alone on this one but being able to practice, qualify, and race (multiple times) on the track the day before anyone else is a huge advantage as exemplified by how we always hear the question on RDL, "was being able to ride press day helpful?". I doubt this would have any effect on the top SX guys but it could have huge implications for all of the SX only privateers.

If they decided to do all SX qualifying in conjunction with AX qualifying I'd be much more open to it... although those racing AX would be able to experience the track fully deteriorated which then poses another situation.
Lucifa. wrote:
Correct and it's pretty cut and dry. If you're able to learn the track the day before and some of the competition can't then that is...
Correct and it's pretty cut and dry. If you're able to learn the track the day before and some of the competition can't then that is exaculy an advantage.

It reminds me of Mike Alessi practicing up in Colorado one year on the track they were using one week out from one of the outdoors rounds.
"exaculy"......Now that a word I need to add to my vocabulary! Used in a sentence--

"Feld, you failed once again.....exaculy!"
Missing_Muffs 2/23/2017 10:35am
2/23/2017 10:35am
simple solution would have been a dash for cash type race for both during intermission. non points paying in the series at the end of the two events they could crown a king of ATL.

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peelout 2/23/2017 10:37am
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bullshit

let them race, winner of the AX can race the SX and takes home a brand new Ridgeline
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EddieC 2/23/2017 10:59am
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The only AX riders that stand a chance in SX are the Factory riders getting their points before moving up. There are SX riders that could not get jobs on SX teams and found jobs on AX teams. These riders are still plenty fast just not fast enough for a factory SX team. The rest of field has no business racing SX if they did they would be racing SX instead of AX. There are riders currently racing SX that have no business racing SX and in my opinion should be given the boot.
chasestevenson599 2/23/2017 11:13am
2/23/2017 11:13am
I was extremely bummed out when I found out about them not letting riders do this. I will be racing the SX saturday and would gladly race the AX friday just for the simple fact of more seat time, even if it was just two sections. I don't feel that it is overly advantageous especially when everyone has the same option to race AX Friday. If i'm driving 13 hours I will be racing every event possible to make the trip worth while. Back to privateer island and all those unfair advantages we have over the factory guys i guess...
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Stuntman949 2/23/2017 11:25am
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peelout wrote:
bullshit

let them race, winner of the AX can race the SX and takes home a brand new Ridgeline
Sounds like something a real AX suck-hole would say....
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Lucifa. 2/23/2017 11:26am
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akillerwombat wrote:
It appears I might be standing alone on this one but being able to practice, qualify, and race (multiple times) on the track the day before...
It appears I might be standing alone on this one but being able to practice, qualify, and race (multiple times) on the track the day before anyone else is a huge advantage as exemplified by how we always hear the question on RDL, "was being able to ride press day helpful?". I doubt this would have any effect on the top SX guys but it could have huge implications for all of the SX only privateers.

If they decided to do all SX qualifying in conjunction with AX qualifying I'd be much more open to it... although those racing AX would be able to experience the track fully deteriorated which then poses another situation.
Lucifa. wrote:
Correct and it's pretty cut and dry. If you're able to learn the track the day before and some of the competition can't then that is...
Correct and it's pretty cut and dry. If you're able to learn the track the day before and some of the competition can't then that is exaculy an advantage.

It reminds me of Mike Alessi practicing up in Colorado one year on the track they were using one week out from one of the outdoors rounds.
whyZ wrote:
"exaculy"......Now that a word I need to add to my vocabulary! Used in a sentence--

"Feld, you failed once again.....exaculy!"
Fuck yeah bro. Cucumber sandwiches for you!
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rrjr 2/23/2017 11:28am
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akillerwombat wrote:
Difference is Southwick is there all year ([i]like almost all nationals are[/i]) and anyone can go ride it at anytime. SX tracks are built the week...
Difference is Southwick is there all year (like almost all nationals are) and anyone can go ride it at anytime. SX tracks are built the week they are raced and everyone racing them is seeing them for the first time that week(end).

I understand that the top 5 guys get a bit of an unfair advantage being able to ride press day but as you stated the fact of the matter is they would still be the top 5 guys dominating without getting that extra few minutes the day before as proven when Villo sat out of practice and shit when he was sick but still pulled off a decent main... but, we're a sport, and our sport needs press so we parade the top guys out the day before to increase awareness of what's going on the following day. Where it undeniably hurts is the lower guys fighting to make the night show in qualifying. If you are one of those guys on the bubble and someone of a similar skill level has a whole day to ride / race the track before you do he has a huge advantage over you of making the night show. That is undeniable. You line up to qualify on a track that you haven't ridden once and the guy next to you has already thrown down 100 laps on it... not quite a level playing field.

Do I like it? No. I'd love to see the AX guys mix it up with the SX guys, but just like how no one is stopping the SX guys from racing AX the day before and skipping the SX race no one is stopping the AX guys from skipping the AX qualifying / racing and trying to make the SX night show.
You say the SX riders who are lower guys fighting to make the night show in qualifying are the one who would be most hurt by allowing the AX riders to race SX. This because of the "guy next to you has already thrown down 100 laps on it." advantage.

If they were allowed to race both AX and SX then those disadvantaged riders who are fighting to make the night show in SX could mitigate that advantage by racing the AX event and getting those extra 100 laps.



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731chopper 2/23/2017 12:02pm
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It's a joke that whoever is making this decision made it. They're both professional racing series. As long as you're eligible for the class, you should be able to race it.

Whoever complained about Arenacross people having an advantage is a complete wanker. If it's so advantageous to race the Arenacross layout then get your team there a day early and enter the Arenacross race, too. I guess calling up the rule maker and crying about it is easier so that's what happened.
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chasestevenson599 wrote:
I was extremely bummed out when I found out about them not letting riders do this. I will be racing the SX saturday and would gladly...
I was extremely bummed out when I found out about them not letting riders do this. I will be racing the SX saturday and would gladly race the AX friday just for the simple fact of more seat time, even if it was just two sections. I don't feel that it is overly advantageous especially when everyone has the same option to race AX Friday. If i'm driving 13 hours I will be racing every event possible to make the trip worth while. Back to privateer island and all those unfair advantages we have over the factory guys i guess...
If you are practicing during the week you don't need to practice/race on Friday. Get your rest and be prepared to race Saturday.
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EddieC wrote:
The only AX riders that stand a chance in SX are the Factory riders getting their points before moving up. There are SX riders that could...
The only AX riders that stand a chance in SX are the Factory riders getting their points before moving up. There are SX riders that could not get jobs on SX teams and found jobs on AX teams. These riders are still plenty fast just not fast enough for a factory SX team. The rest of field has no business racing SX if they did they would be racing SX instead of AX. There are riders currently racing SX that have no business racing SX and in my opinion should be given the boot.


None of these guys stand a chance? In my opinion, 1/3 of the lites class Saturday night could be Arenacross guys, IF all these guys lined up... Not that they ever were going to, but to say they would stand no chance is comical.
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KurtJ99 2/23/2017 12:36pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
There is aledgidly a rule where you can't ride the track 72 hours in advance of the event. Yet Factory riders run over half the track...
There is aledgidly a rule where you can't ride the track 72 hours in advance of the event.

Yet Factory riders run over half the track, including the tough rhythm section on press day THE DAY BEFORE THE RACE!

Total BS....
Yes. The "Mike Alessi" rule in action. Mike used to ride the Hangtown National Amateur day before the National.
But doesn't count when the AMA doesn't want it to for press day.
chasestevenson599 2/23/2017 12:36pm
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EddieC wrote:
If you are practicing during the week you don't need to practice/race on Friday. Get your rest and be prepared to race Saturday.
I'm a full time Mechanical Engineering student at the University of Iowa. Safe to say there is no riding during the week. Although, the way you stated it does sound quite dreamy!
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peelout 2/23/2017 12:50pm
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EddieC wrote:
If you are practicing during the week you don't need to practice/race on Friday. Get your rest and be prepared to race Saturday.
chasestevenson599 wrote:
I'm a full time Mechanical Engineering student at the University of Iowa. Safe to say there is no riding during the week. Although, the way you...
I'm a full time Mechanical Engineering student at the University of Iowa. Safe to say there is no riding during the week. Although, the way you stated it does sound quite dreamy!
how often would you say you check the torque on your sprocket bolts?

also, if you had to torque down to 40psi, but only had a wrench that did a max of 20psi, do you torque it at 20psi twice?

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