No more AMA nationals?

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DC 2/18/2017 12:07pm
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Moto810 wrote: "I am not sure where I read it. Maybe I read something out of context or maybe they were talking about the future. Not sure. However, notice DC did not say anything about any persons concerns about the Nationals going away?"

The Nationals aren't going away, and neither is supercross.

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Moto810 2/18/2017 12:26pm
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Moto810 wrote: "I am not sure where I read it. Maybe I read something out of context or maybe they were talking about the future. Not...
Moto810 wrote: "I am not sure where I read it. Maybe I read something out of context or maybe they were talking about the future. Not sure. However, notice DC did not say anything about any persons concerns about the Nationals going away?"

The Nationals aren't going away, and neither is supercross.

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Who on this thread said SX is going away? Also I never said Nationals are going away. Many people on this thread did though. I just recited what I had read somewhere. There has been a bunch of threads on here about this whole SX impact on MX so its about time someone set the record straight. However, it sure would be nice to hear what Feld has in mind.

The person who started this thread said he heard it from Ping. I don't see anyone mad about what he posted on here?
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rancor19 2/18/2017 1:30pm
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In my opinion, we have enough SX. And I love the Nationals...but,... How about an 18 round SX season(12 in the US/6 in the EU) and...
In my opinion, we have enough SX. And I love the Nationals...but,...

How about an 18 round SX season(12 in the US/6 in the EU) and an 18 round MXGP series(12 in the EU/6 in the US) where the schedules don't clash and we can see the best in the world racing each other all year long?

World peace?

Laughing

We can't even get dirt bike racing squared away...
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I think this takes away from the USA concept of the series ....and it's a logistic nightmare......but I like the concept as well, nice thinking outside...
I think this takes away from the USA concept of the series ....and it's a logistic nightmare......but I like the concept as well, nice thinking outside the box rancor19! BWink
Hey thanks.

Just to clarify, I'm a huge fan of the Nats and I don't want them to go away -- at all. And there would be no reason for them to go away either. Just a schedule adjustment so SX(an FIM 'world championship') and MXGP(an FIM 'world championship') could run concurrently(and not consecutively) would at least leave the doors open for riders and teams from anywhere to run both championships.

That's all. Those that don't will still have the Nationals.
Cameron Zimick 2/18/2017 2:46pm
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damn this thread blew up and had a lot of crazy opinions. I read it on ask ping that was on racerx that ping says it. Ive read it a few times over the last few years and just wanted to see if there was any truth to it.

http://racerxonline.com/2017/02/17/ask-ping


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DC 2/18/2017 3:07pm
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Moto810, there's a big difference between Ping touching on a subject we all know about, and offering his take, like what he actually wrote about expansion:

"In all seriousness, they are looking at a globalization of supercross and I’m afraid it will be at the peril of the national motocross series here in the U.S. Riders and teams can’t race 24 round of supercross all over the world and then jump right into 12 rounds of Nationals with no break on either end. Something will have to give..."

But you state something as outright false and ridiculous as ""Did you know that MX Sports now runs the Monster Jam contract for Feld?"

You have long been a critic of the nationals, and we've had our go-arounds, and while I honestly appreciate your opinions, I don't like your habit of repeating or offering up things as fact that just aren't true. As for why no one is talking about it much, maybe you should read what Guy B and others have been saying for awhile now and just let it all play out. I'm guessing it will all work out and we'll continue having SX races and then MX races, just like we have for decades now.

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That's odd, I don't remember posting anything negative here about the Nationals? If people are talking about two strokes that is all racing. Things like two strokes, safety, or the health of the sport are not about the Nationals. It is only about the sport itself. I as many on here want the Nationals to be stronger than ever.
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DC wrote:
Moto810, there's a big difference between Ping touching on a subject we all know about, and offering his take, like what he actually wrote about expansion...
Moto810, there's a big difference between Ping touching on a subject we all know about, and offering his take, like what he actually wrote about expansion:

"In all seriousness, they are looking at a globalization of supercross and I’m afraid it will be at the peril of the national motocross series here in the U.S. Riders and teams can’t race 24 round of supercross all over the world and then jump right into 12 rounds of Nationals with no break on either end. Something will have to give..."

But you state something as outright false and ridiculous as ""Did you know that MX Sports now runs the Monster Jam contract for Feld?"

You have long been a critic of the nationals, and we've had our go-arounds, and while I honestly appreciate your opinions, I don't like your habit of repeating or offering up things as fact that just aren't true. As for why no one is talking about it much, maybe you should read what Guy B and others have been saying for awhile now and just let it all play out. I'm guessing it will all work out and we'll continue having SX races and then MX races, just like we have for decades now.

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Nice doublespeak DC you state that the globalization of SX will be at the peril of the Nationals that US riders can't race 24 rd's of SX and jump right into 12 rd's of Nationals and something will have to give.

Then you say we will continue to have SX races and MX races just like we have for decades now.

Really!! Just how do you suppose that will be when you just stated something will have to give?
I am assuming that SX will not be doing the giving but it will be a watered down version of the Nationals and not
"Just like we have had for decades now"
It will be substantially different in my opinion who will ride it you have just said the US riders won't be able to so who will fill out the gate.
It will all work out all right you can be sure of that just for whom.
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motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me.

I believe we should focus on making the races we have on the schedule now bigger and better, not adding more, indoors or outdoors. Every race from the Anaheim opener to the Ironman finale has room for improvement. But that's just my opinion.

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DC wrote:
Moto810, there's a big difference between Ping touching on a subject we all know about, and offering his take, like what he actually wrote about expansion...
Moto810, there's a big difference between Ping touching on a subject we all know about, and offering his take, like what he actually wrote about expansion:

"In all seriousness, they are looking at a globalization of supercross and I’m afraid it will be at the peril of the national motocross series here in the U.S. Riders and teams can’t race 24 round of supercross all over the world and then jump right into 12 rounds of Nationals with no break on either end. Something will have to give..."

But you state something as outright false and ridiculous as ""Did you know that MX Sports now runs the Monster Jam contract for Feld?"

You have long been a critic of the nationals, and we've had our go-arounds, and while I honestly appreciate your opinions, I don't like your habit of repeating or offering up things as fact that just aren't true. As for why no one is talking about it much, maybe you should read what Guy B and others have been saying for awhile now and just let it all play out. I'm guessing it will all work out and we'll continue having SX races and then MX races, just like we have for decades now.

DC
Davey.....would it be safe to assume that maybe Feld and MX sports are trying to figure out a schedule to keep both alive? And I know this next question would be tough to answer , but does Feld even care about the out door series? I would almost think not , since they have nothing to do with it. But just wondering if maybe the two entities are trying to figure out how to make it work between the both of them.

I can't seem to even grasp the idea on how they can add so many more rounds of SX , without it hurting the nationals in some way. And " IF " all the big teams bow out of the nationals.....where the hell is that going to leave us for something like MXoN's? The GP guys race 10 months of outdoors ( With certain countries holding their own GP pre-season races like Italy ). This is gonna sting us , in some way , shape or form. And after 35+ years of following and loving this sport , it looks like it could possibly turn into a full blown circus act. Rips my heart out on this.
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jeffro503 2/18/2017 3:39pm
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DC wrote:
motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me. I believe we should focus on making the races...
motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me.

I believe we should focus on making the races we have on the schedule now bigger and better, not adding more, indoors or outdoors. Every race from the Anaheim opener to the Ironman finale has room for improvement. But that's just my opinion.

DC

The nationals are the grass roots of this sport Davey...and as far as I'm concerned , you have done an awesome job with keeping the ship tight there. I think what some of us are saying is....we don't want more SX , if anything , we want more MX. Feld doing what they are doing and trying to run their schedule right inot the outdoor schedule....completely sucks , if that's what the plan is.
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kkawboy14 2/18/2017 3:41pm
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Unfortunately they are the ones with all the power. How this clown shown could ruin the Nationals is sad to think about. IT'S NOT WHAT THE...
Unfortunately they are the ones with all the power. How this clown shown could ruin the Nationals is sad to think about. IT'S NOT WHAT THE FANS WANT! It's because of greed. As if they aren't rich enough already.
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Many pros don't care about the nationals. Unless they have it in their contract to do it, or care about a better national number, it just...
Many pros don't care about the nationals. Unless they have it in their contract to do it, or care about a better national number, it just isn't that good for the riders.

If the outdoors want to exist they can, they would need to triple the payouts and draw the riders even if the sx's are on those weekends. They run on Saturday night, run the outdoors on Sunday close to where the sx runs.
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I don't care what the pros care about or any reason why somebody thinks it is a good idea to get rid of the nationals. Nationals...
I don't care what the pros care about or any reason why somebody thinks it is a good idea to get rid of the nationals. Nationals going away would be a joke and a disgrace to the sport!
I agree!

I'm just stating it the way it is. They can save it but it would take a lot of cash!
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motomojo 2/18/2017 3:46pm
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DC wrote:
motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me. I believe we should focus on making the races...
motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me.

I believe we should focus on making the races we have on the schedule now bigger and better, not adding more, indoors or outdoors. Every race from the Anaheim opener to the Ironman finale has room for improvement. But that's just my opinion.

DC

Ok sorry for attributing it to you I didn't read Ping's column either way though there is no way they can add SX rounds and not affect the Nationals in a substantial way.
As Ping said something will have to give and it won't be SX.

What motivation does Feld have to provide any support to the Nationals? Seems they benefit greatly if the Nationals diminish and being businessmen they will do what businessmen do capitalize.
Brownstone322 2/18/2017 4:05pm
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I dont have the slightest idea what the people in charge are planning, but it would be a tragedy to kill off the outdoor nationals. In...
I dont have the slightest idea what the people in charge are planning, but it would be a tragedy to kill off the outdoor nationals. In the last half dozen years or so, the nationals have been everything supercross is not. That is, professionally presented from the title sponsor and promoter, with excellent TV announcers, and close racing pretty often. Occasionally you'll have a runaway champ, but in that case it's still more exciting to watch someone dominate an outdoor race than indoors.
"the nationals have been everything supercross is not."

Otherwise known as "real motocross."

If someone proposed ditching the PGA Tour and replacing it with pitch-and-putt courses in stadiums -- you know, so fans could sit in the grandstands and see the whole course at once -- I guarantee there'd be certain people who'd think that "SuperGolf" would be a great idea.
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No one is "hoping" anything. We all hope both series progress and the riders make progress in their profession.

But D.C. You have to admit when Ping and others state these things (and he writes for you) that any normal person would draw conclusions.

D.C./GuyB "Let it play out".....let what play out? Exactly what's being stated? That sx is gonna be 22-24 rounds and there won't be any room for the outdoors?
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DC wrote:
motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me. I believe we should focus on making the races...
motomojo, please go back and read it again -- Ping wrote that in his column, not me.

I believe we should focus on making the races we have on the schedule now bigger and better, not adding more, indoors or outdoors. Every race from the Anaheim opener to the Ironman finale has room for improvement. But that's just my opinion.

DC

We can start by eliminating" rutocross" and add some variety to these tracks, its the same terrain / breakdown in every track.
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Crash82 2/18/2017 6:07pm
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Bring back the Trans Am series starting in Sept through November. You could even run a couple of races in Canada as well. Get rid of...
Bring back the Trans Am series starting in Sept through November. You could even run a couple of races in Canada as well. Get rid of the AMA period and let's get a few guys from across the pond to do battle with the best america has to offer.
Yup just start Winter outdoor series and a summer outdoor series and kill SX. Way too many riders getting hurt in SX and it's always the same old cookie cutter track features. It's boring. What about an all sand SX track like a beach race? At least it wouldn't hurt as bad when you hit the ground.
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It's all about the money at FELD, that's what they love... Not the sport of motocross.....it all started with motocross and will end with it for me and my old school buddies if they take away the outdoors... Real racers are molded in motocross and without the grass roots National series for the youth to identify with I I prefict a quick and painful death for FELD if they start screwing with the Nationls... FELD only gives a shit about and is loyal to their bottom line... I will personal lead the charge to take away their next elephant and kill dollars snd cents over another Bad idea...my .02

If they cared about the youth racers and the history and legacy of the they wouldn't even suggest such horse shit..

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Regarding the overseas logistics...the GP teams does great at flying all their equipment in boxes. They don´t use semis but the pits looks gorgeous. Also another great thing is that the riders doesn´t dissapear like the zoo tiger into the semi. I do agree SX should make it global. It has a lot potential to become a world series just like the F1. Sadly MX both in the USA and in the GP´s might loose riders to the new world racing order...
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Moto810 wrote:
That's odd, I don't remember posting anything negative here about the Nationals? If people are talking about two strokes that is all racing. Things like two...
That's odd, I don't remember posting anything negative here about the Nationals? If people are talking about two strokes that is all racing. Things like two strokes, safety, or the health of the sport are not about the Nationals. It is only about the sport itself. I as many on here want the Nationals to be stronger than ever.
You insinuated colusion between Feld and MXSports under ridiculously false pretenses and now you are playing innocent? Why dont you own your comment and either find a source or admit that it is bullshit?

When DC say let it play out I infer it to mean that nothing is decided upon at this momment. Im sure Feld and MXSports are talking to the factories (seperately) about the future so everyone involved can get the plans drawn up for future schedules contracts and rules. This is precisely the reason DC decided not to piss off the factories by having a 250 2 stroke rule. Would we rather see equal displacement racing or full factory nationals?
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FI2T 2/19/2017 12:41am
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Yawn fest tonight.... if anything pull some sx races and add more Nationals!
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Glad to see DC post that the nats aren't going away. Smile
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motomojo 2/19/2017 9:36am
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Webb out as SX takes it's toll on yet another.
Just thinking how great it would be if the Nationals started with healthy ready to race riders instead of beat the fuck up injury riddled casualties of the SX series.
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Some of you have a very narrow focus......... Evolution needs to happen and will happen just ask film photography. In the next 5 to 10 yrs if people don't position their business properly they could vanish.
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FI2T wrote:
Yawn fest tonight.... if anything pull some sx races and add more Nationals!
I concur. SX "big boy" class has been a snooze fest all year......."little boys" at least has some racing with the top three running close to each other.

Cut SX down to 12 and expand outdoors to 16.......oh and equal displacement racing also. Your welcome.
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Clutchy wrote:
Some of you have a very narrow focus......... Evolution needs to happen and will happen just ask film photography. In the next 5 to 10 yrs...
Some of you have a very narrow focus......... Evolution needs to happen and will happen just ask film photography. In the next 5 to 10 yrs if people don't position their business properly they could vanish.
And fake Mickey Mouse circuits with 45-second lap times is proper positioning?
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Trollcross is strong here.
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Some of you have a very narrow focus......... Evolution needs to happen and will happen just ask film photography. In the next 5 to 10 yrs...
Some of you have a very narrow focus......... Evolution needs to happen and will happen just ask film photography. In the next 5 to 10 yrs if people don't position their business properly they could vanish.
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And fake Mickey Mouse circuits with 45-second lap times is proper positioning?
Looks like it for Sx.

Sx is the evolution of the sport as entertainment. And yes you can all us that line, it's that good.
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I concur. SX "big boy" class has been a snooze fest all year......."little boys" at least has some racing with the top three running close to...
I concur. SX "big boy" class has been a snooze fest all year......."little boys" at least has some racing with the top three running close to each other.

Cut SX down to 12 and expand outdoors to 16.......oh and equal displacement racing also. Your welcome.
I'm not sure which races you've been watching, but okay...

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