Why did he bail?

Kx125rider 1/27/2017 7:31pm
1/27/2017 7:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/27/2017 7:37pm
Its just instincts, this could be some insight:

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APLMAN99 1/27/2017 7:47pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it...
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it look level in the air.
Charper732 wrote:
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped...
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped with his boots to stay of but he would have been way short
THEOUTSIDER wrote:
Go watch it from all angles again. The seat does slap him a bit, but just after that he kicks with his feet, and pushes off...


Go watch it from all angles again. The seat does slap him a bit, but just after that he kicks with his feet, and pushes off hard with both arms to jump off the bike. The seat hitting him is part of that front end dropping slightly upon take off.

Again, so many emotional girls on here I feel I need to clarify that I am not making fun of him. Just examining the crash is all.
I am not sure what race you are watching, but that's not the Roczen injury crash, obviously. The bike clearly rebounds differently than he expected, and he wasn't expecting it to slap him upwards. Once his feet are way above the pegs it looks like he realizes it's more than just a minor problem, but he doesn't push the bars down and away from him until after the bike is headed back down. At that point, with his feet nowhere near the pegs, it looks like he finally made the decision to abort. He's probably got as good of insight as any human alive as to whether his bike is going to clear a jump, and he rode that out a lot further than it looks like at first.
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RedRider785 1/27/2017 7:48pm
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downard254 wrote:
I watched the crash several times last weekend, and it looked to me like when the rear of the bike rebounded, the seat bumped him in...
I watched the crash several times last weekend, and it looked to me like when the rear of the bike rebounded, the seat bumped him in the ass. As he's coming up off the bike, his body is going vertical at a higher rate of speed than the bike is. He was coming off that bike one way or another. I think if he'd have tried to ride it out, he would have been inverted when he hit the face of the jump. Eject=less disasterous result. IMHO.
This...kind of. Watch Seely, in front of him does the exact same technique, but lands cleaner (earlier) in the transition. As ML said he lands deeper and gets a harsh rebound. That happens when he is starting to come off the seat into the forward "standing" position with feet slightly floating off the pegs, a common technique if you watch the riders closely or do it regularly. He gets assisted by the seat from the rebound and is too far off the pegs/bike to stay on. Definately had to bail IMO.
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mxbrady551 1/27/2017 9:40pm
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There is absolutely no way he spins off the face of that with the momentum he was carrying. He for sure caught his right foot on top of the rut...

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RG1 1/27/2017 10:45pm
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I totally get why he bailed with only a second to make the decision, but in hindsight, do you think he would make the same decision...
I totally get why he bailed with only a second to make the decision, but in hindsight, do you think he would make the same decision to bail? The bike did not seem to nose dive until after he pushed the bike down and away from him. Anyway to computer simulate the landing had he held on and panic reved until impact, like they can do in airplane simulators?
Yes. There's no doubt in my mind that if that happened 100 times he would make the same decision every time. It was absolutely impossible to save it, he wasn't connected to the bike with anything other than his arms. I'm sure he tried to save it initially, but once his feet were up by the seat, there was no way he was going to do anything but crash, and if he'd have held onto the bars till the end, it would've been even more ugly
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tk2stroke 1/27/2017 10:49pm
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Watch the video again and pay attention to the seat hitting his ass. He was ejected from the bike
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hoots3pak 1/28/2017 12:02am
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I guessing most of the people on here have gone over the bars, high sided, or looped out. Cmon, we all know when there is no chance of saving it. If you have been on a bike for any time at all you know the feeling. He knew, no chance, he was going down. At the point of no return he knew and bailed. You guys are better than this.


Sometimes You Go Down........
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mmcmx 1/28/2017 12:31am
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hoots3pak wrote:
I guessing most of the people on here have gone over the bars, high sided, or looped out. Cmon, we all know when there is no...
I guessing most of the people on here have gone over the bars, high sided, or looped out. Cmon, we all know when there is no chance of saving it. If you have been on a bike for any time at all you know the feeling. He knew, no chance, he was going down. At the point of no return he knew and bailed. You guys are better than this.


Sometimes You Go Down........
Sometimes I get the impresion a lot of people here haven't ridden at all.
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He bailed because he was definitely going over the bars if he didn't, which would've been way worse. Watch the video, the front end only comes up when he ejects and in turn pulls up.

It's okay saying 'shoulda woulda coulda' but you can not second guess an athlete like KR
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APLMAN99 1/28/2017 4:59am
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hoots3pak wrote:
I guessing most of the people on here have gone over the bars, high sided, or looped out. Cmon, we all know when there is no...
I guessing most of the people on here have gone over the bars, high sided, or looped out. Cmon, we all know when there is no chance of saving it. If you have been on a bike for any time at all you know the feeling. He knew, no chance, he was going down. At the point of no return he knew and bailed. You guys are better than this.


Sometimes You Go Down........
mmcmx wrote:
Sometimes I get the impresion a lot of people here haven't ridden at all.
But ..........they've rode out much worse situations on mx vs atv so they understand it quite a bit!!!!!
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motophish 1/28/2017 6:53am
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Hi! When he got booted, he was pitched to the right. It looks like his legs were thrown upwards and he simultaneously made the effort to get away from the bike.The "Flying W" is very hard to save. I would have done the same thing. I'm sure he was thinking of going off track to the right and all he could see was the face of the next jump and didn't want to hit it. I think he may even have been trying to make it to a tough block. I'm sure his injuries would have been less if he had made it. Landing with his arms out stretched is a defensive reaction meaning he wasn't landing like he wanted. He got hammered, that's for sure! I think it goes to show that at this level it pays to stick with a winning combination! His history is proof! Wink
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TXDirt 1/28/2017 6:56am
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motophish wrote:
Hi! When he got booted, he was pitched to the right. It looks like his legs were thrown upwards and he simultaneously made the effort to...
Hi! When he got booted, he was pitched to the right. It looks like his legs were thrown upwards and he simultaneously made the effort to get away from the bike.The "Flying W" is very hard to save. I would have done the same thing. I'm sure he was thinking of going off track to the right and all he could see was the face of the next jump and didn't want to hit it. I think he may even have been trying to make it to a tough block. I'm sure his injuries would have been less if he had made it. Landing with his arms out stretched is a defensive reaction meaning he wasn't landing like he wanted. He got hammered, that's for sure! I think it goes to show that at this level it pays to stick with a winning combination! His history is proof! Wink
I was following you all the way till your last sentence. And then you decided to go full retard.

Never go full retard.
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rcannon 1/28/2017 8:18am
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I know 'm coming from the"easier said than done" and "hind site" department.

With that being said, one thing little league, high school and a good day and a half of college football taught me to not land arm first. Curl up, and let your entire side take the blow. This is easily learned if your an average player. Your getting knocked down so often, it becomes second nature. With all the training and coaching these guys get, no thought was ever put into falling?

I dont think him doing that would mean he jumps up and walks away, but shoulder and rib injuries have to be better than an exploding arm? I saw this pic today and it made me think that almost anything is a better option than what happened here. Dont click on these pics unless you HAVE to know what an arm looks like, minus skin.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/ken-roczen-surgery-photos-you-d…
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kkawboy14 1/28/2017 8:22am
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motophish wrote:
Hi! When he got booted, he was pitched to the right. It looks like his legs were thrown upwards and he simultaneously made the effort to...
Hi! When he got booted, he was pitched to the right. It looks like his legs were thrown upwards and he simultaneously made the effort to get away from the bike.The "Flying W" is very hard to save. I would have done the same thing. I'm sure he was thinking of going off track to the right and all he could see was the face of the next jump and didn't want to hit it. I think he may even have been trying to make it to a tough block. I'm sure his injuries would have been less if he had made it. Landing with his arms out stretched is a defensive reaction meaning he wasn't landing like he wanted. He got hammered, that's for sure! I think it goes to show that at this level it pays to stick with a winning combination! His history is proof! Wink
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I was following you all the way till your last sentence. And then you decided to go full retard.

Never go full retard.
The guys a euro ktm lover obviously! Wink
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wfo4ever 1/28/2017 8:46am
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KR94 did what he thought was best in a very short period of time. It could have been much worse.
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TXDirt 1/28/2017 8:55am
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rcannon wrote:
I know 'm coming from the"easier said than done" and "hind site" department. With that being said, one thing little league, high school and a good...
I know 'm coming from the"easier said than done" and "hind site" department.

With that being said, one thing little league, high school and a good day and a half of college football taught me to not land arm first. Curl up, and let your entire side take the blow. This is easily learned if your an average player. Your getting knocked down so often, it becomes second nature. With all the training and coaching these guys get, no thought was ever put into falling?

I dont think him doing that would mean he jumps up and walks away, but shoulder and rib injuries have to be better than an exploding arm? I saw this pic today and it made me think that almost anything is a better option than what happened here. Dont click on these pics unless you HAVE to know what an arm looks like, minus skin.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/ken-roczen-surgery-photos-you-d…
Tuck and roll. I think these guys have crashed enough and have heard of it and likely try and do it when possible.

There is also millions of years of evolution and instinctual habits formed. One of those is putting your arms out when you fall. It happens without even thinking about it. And when you are going head first into an obstacle you are going to put your hands out no matter what you try and do. These are built in fight or flight safety mechanisms your brain and body have. And lots of times there ain't a damn thing you can do to over ride that.

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