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And then for this there would need to be a comparison a la what Jeffro has done to prove his fact.
I'm neither here nor there on the subject but i would like to see the reasoning?
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I would also like to see a chart that just shows SX rankings. Then a chart that shows MX rankings. We could then take a riders combined ranking and devide by two and see where they stack up. Doing it this way will better tell the story of "overal" best. This would probably move someone like McGrath down a spot or two and move RV up, which would be more accurate.
Hopefully someone gets what I'm saying.
Going by the eye test:
RC
RV
JS
Mc
RJ
Take the guy directly above this post for a perfect example. Too easy. Look at his post, and look at his username.
Here's the corrected percentages. Stewart moves up to 2nd........
AGAIN.....we aren't saying Stewart is the best ever.....just one of the all time greats. I would say top three but that is open to opinion.
It's frustrating to try and get involved with the threads......especially from a phone
Although I do understand some of Jeffro's point. I think he is looking at championships over race wins. With those statistics....you can see that Stewart should get surpassed in 450 championships (i'm throwing this in so I don't get freaking roasted).
Just rechecked the RC starts, it's accurate. Same with the Roczen wins, through the end of 2016. If you need to add 2 starts and 2 wins for him, go ahead.
Yes regional events are in there. That's their whole body of work on the Vault site, all the AMA races entered.
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He has such a mass following of fans and fanatics for whatever reason, it doesnt matter what the reasons whether it wins or skill on the bike or off track antics, HE HAS THE FANS AND THE HYPE. You cant buy that, you cant deny that. He earned it somehow, someway. When the Stewarts are on the track, its always entertaining. They are either winning, moving up through pack doing some crazy ass riding, or they are wiping out big time in spectacular fashion. Off the track they always provide entertainment, whether its controversy, style, mystery or whatever. Besides all this they have a compelling story, being the only black riders to come up from being poor and reaching the top of the sport. Whoever cant root for this family doesnt know anything about grassroots motocross. They are good people and just like you and I they are not perfect and dont pretend to be.
All I know is that I enjoy MX/SX 100% more with the Stewarts than without it. I know that when they are there, I will be entertained, or I will be passionately upset bc James pulled off or wrecked. I guess they get me emotionally invested whereas no other rider does.
Yeah I love a great race, this past weekend was awesome, but do you think I really care if MCalrath or Hill won the 250 main? I could care less, it was just a great race but I was invested. Same thing with KRoc and Dungey, I am a big fan of both of them, I am a huge Honda Fanboy. I like that KRoc is controversial, but I really dont care about him, he is German he isnt our homegrown product, he isnt James. So yeah I loved the race last weekend, those guys put on a clinic and thank God they did, bc I would still rather watch James come out with a crappy start and cut through the field doing Quads and sick wheel taps and maybe having an epic wipeout or maybe winning. I was also a Bob Hannah fanboy, so there are a lot of similarities.
People love James because no one can do what he does on a bike, he has the best bike skills ever and he took the most risks and rode on the ragged edge 100% and he suffered the price.
From his first 250 SX race in 2005 till Seattle 2009 every SX race he did not crash in he won.
A2 2014 was the first time in their 10 years of racing each other that Reed passed Bubba straight up and won without Bubba crashing.
Also Bubba has done the dumbest thing in the history of the sport and that was sit out the 09 450 MX title after having a perfect season and was the fastest MX rider in the world at the time.
Was out of 32 Supercross races that RC, Bubba and Reed raced against each other Bubba won 16, RC 8 and Reed 4, I'm not sure who won the other 4, or even if it's accurate. If it is, it's surprising.
The reason I'd be inclined to include everything is to keep from cherry picking and taking out races where someone didn't race a second moto, crashed early in a SX, etc.
Post a reply to: James Stewart vs everyone else. Just the facts man.