Did Malcolm and Dean really both turn down Barcia's ride?

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Edited Date/Time 1/5/2017 9:53am
So from what I heard, Wilson and Stewart both were offered the JGR Suzuki 450 fill in ride. Is that true? I think Weimer fits that Suzuki fill in role to a tee, so I get him fulfilling it, but I do find it interesting that both of them would have said no to a paid ride. Especially with Malcom all ready to race Suzukis on his own anyhow. Seems like he could have picked up his program just as soon as Barcia is ready to come back...

As for Dean not taking it, that makes more sense. He is chasing a full time Yamaha ride for the rest of SX and is gunning for Reed's factory bike outdoors, I'd say. If he puts her in the top 8 consistently, he will probably begin to prove his worth to McCarty and they will put something together. This 5 race thing for Dean reminds me of Josh Hill's Yamaha deal a couple seasons back, only he couldn't lock in the results. I'm ready to watch some racing already!






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It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
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1/5/2017 7:37am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2017 7:38am
Most everything the journalists get is not allowed to be restated or printed and the names have to be changed to protect the innocent
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It makes sense, why take a ride for 4 races and put yourself in a position where you can't get something more solid for the remainder of the series.
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It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my...
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
Yeah, MX journalism needs help. Some guys are trying and I applaud them for that. We have a long way to go compared to other sports. But in regards to this, I wanna say ML said it is true that they both passed on it, I'm just curious if there was anything else to it...

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Was pretty well covered in the other threads. Albrecht offered it to both. Mookie is too far along with his other commitments, and not willing to trash that for a four week gig. Next guy up is James...is he ready if the phone rings?
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1/5/2017 7:41am
Neither Dean nor Malcom wanted to commit to a 4 race only deal (I think it will be longer) that would interfere with the programs they were already on/working on. Jake was already on a SUSZUKI and had no commitments other than personal deals.

Not so complicated really.
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1/5/2017 7:43am
The sport is too small to have journalism get in deep. Too easy to get blacklisted amd shut out from info. Gotta remember its still the good ole boys show... we only know what they want us to know. And thats not gonna change
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Well, they called me and I said no...
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It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my...
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
twotwosix wrote:
Yeah, MX journalism needs help. Some guys are trying and I applaud them for that. We have a long way to go compared to other sports...
Yeah, MX journalism needs help. Some guys are trying and I applaud them for that. We have a long way to go compared to other sports. But in regards to this, I wanna say ML said it is true that they both passed on it, I'm just curious if there was anything else to it...
Currently studying journalism, and I tend to agree that motocross journalism could use a bit of a boost. Weege, Matthes, and GuyB are amazing, but there are a lot of basic tenets that are kind of lost in the industry. I do also believe that the atmosphere around motocross prevents real journalistic work from taking place.
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The problem is the teams, athletes, and everyone on this forum.

The teams think everything is a BIG secret. They don't mind sharing info with journalist but hold the "we'll blacklist you" card over journalist's head if they actually do their job.

The thing is, nothing is a secret. No offense to ML or GuyB but most journalist in the moto industy want info handed to them on a silver platter. They don't actually have to investigate...hell real journalists barely do that now. They try to earn trust to gain value and credibility for their site/ mag but in the end, they are giving us what the factories/ teams/ and athletes want us to know. (An exception in recent memory would be ML's spy shots of the new Honda-if Honda wanted it to really be a secret, they would have tested somewhere private...see what I mean?)

Besides, this isn't real news...it's an over glorified man soap opera. Why do you need to know anyway? Why do you care so much about James or Mookie or Dean or * insert your favorite rider *. If you care so much, DM them on social media, shoot them an email, or give them a call. If they care enough about what you think, maybe they'll answer. Doubtful.
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It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my...
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and talk about it will get thoroughly trashed by those in the know."
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Zaugg wrote:
The problem is the teams, athletes, and everyone on this forum. The teams think everything is a BIG secret. They don't mind sharing info with journalist...
The problem is the teams, athletes, and everyone on this forum.

The teams think everything is a BIG secret. They don't mind sharing info with journalist but hold the "we'll blacklist you" card over journalist's head if they actually do their job.

The thing is, nothing is a secret. No offense to ML or GuyB but most journalist in the moto industy want info handed to them on a silver platter. They don't actually have to investigate...hell real journalists barely do that now. They try to earn trust to gain value and credibility for their site/ mag but in the end, they are giving us what the factories/ teams/ and athletes want us to know. (An exception in recent memory would be ML's spy shots of the new Honda-if Honda wanted it to really be a secret, they would have tested somewhere private...see what I mean?)

Besides, this isn't real news...it's an over glorified man soap opera. Why do you need to know anyway? Why do you care so much about James or Mookie or Dean or * insert your favorite rider *. If you care so much, DM them on social media, shoot them an email, or give them a call. If they care enough about what you think, maybe they'll answer. Doubtful.
Where you're wrong is that real journalists still do lots of investigation. They just aren't the ones you see on TV everyday.
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ga_pike wrote:
Well, they called me and I said no...
Me too!....I just enrolled in a flower arranging class and don't wanna miss the first 4 weeks....
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1/5/2017 8:34am
I heard Joel and Gaston turned it down too.
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It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my...
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
agn5009 wrote:
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and...
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and talk about it will get thoroughly trashed by those in the know."
I usually don't post but this was perfect.....

I know, go back to just lurking
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1/5/2017 8:39am
Hmm… I thought I posted yesterday that Malcolm turned down the ride. But carry on.
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For those who missed it, here it is.

How about this...

I hear there were discussions between JGR and Malcolm for that spot, and that Malcolm opted not to take it because it was for a limited number of races, and he's already building his own deal. To stop it now would have been sort of unfair to the people he's working with.

Look for Jake Weimer in that spot. He's already familiar with the bike, has no other commitments, and in case you've forgotten, he was also a 250 champ.
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It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my...
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
agn5009 wrote:
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and...
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and talk about it will get thoroughly trashed by those in the know."
zpatt607 wrote:
I usually don't post but this was perfect.....

I know, go back to just lurking
Yeah I probably should tame it down a bit. I'm just busting the vital crews chops a bit. They really do a fantastic job with this site.
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I read that the teams in Europe were a lot more open about what goes on with the bikes and the team personnel.
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This has got to be Weimer's last best chance, right? He was not good after switching to the Suzuki last year.
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Was James ever in the discussion? Or is his retirement announcement impending and currently a big secret being kept under wraps?
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hillbilly wrote:
I heard Joel and Gaston turned it down too.
I didn't know cell phones were available in the hereafter...Cool
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1/5/2017 9:11am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2017 9:12am
twotwosix wrote:
Was James ever in the discussion? Or is his retirement announcement impending and currently a big secret being kept under wraps?
Based on James quitting JGR in the past, he wasn't even in the discussion.
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GuyB wrote:
For those who missed it, here it is. How about this... I hear there were discussions between JGR and Malcolm for that spot, and that Malcolm...
For those who missed it, here it is.

How about this...

I hear there were discussions between JGR and Malcolm for that spot, and that Malcolm opted not to take it because it was for a limited number of races, and he's already building his own deal. To stop it now would have been sort of unfair to the people he's working with.

Look for Jake Weimer in that spot. He's already familiar with the bike, has no other commitments, and in case you've forgotten, he was also a 250 champ.
It's funny how much criticism Vital and Pulp get for their info...yet you guys usually have things spot on. Thanks for the good info!
1/5/2017 9:39am
Trust me, if you report the whole truth you'll be black balled and out of a job.
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Adam43 wrote:
This has got to be Weimer's last best chance, right? He was not good after switching to the Suzuki last year.
How can you say he was not very good? He finished 10th overall in the series and started the year on basically a privateer Kawi. I thought he did really well for switching bikes.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Trust me, if you report the whole truth you'll be black balled and out of a job.
which is beyond fucky in this sport.

its a double edge sword, but i think the reporting could be way heavier than what it is.

namely im still curious about the drug ring that tony talked about a few years ago... people haven't forgot hahaha
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Motodave15 wrote:
which is beyond fucky in this sport. its a double edge sword, but i think the reporting could be way heavier than what it is. namely...
which is beyond fucky in this sport.

its a double edge sword, but i think the reporting could be way heavier than what it is.

namely im still curious about the drug ring that tony talked about a few years ago... people haven't forgot hahaha
What was in Davi's locker...........
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1/5/2017 10:54am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2017 10:58am
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my...
It would be a revelation in the MX/SX journalism biz to actually report some details on what went down. That being said I'm not holding my breath Smile
agn5009 wrote:
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and...
It'll go something like this: "I've heard the details, and I know exactly what happened but I can't reveal that information. And those who speculate and talk about it will get thoroughly trashed by those in the know."
The lack of transparency in this sport is a total joke.

From sponsorship deals, techinical info, every aspect is a total joke,

How inclusive and exclusive aspects of our sport are is exactly why it will always remain a niche sport and it only hurts itself in the end being this way.

Think about all the great articles we could have detailing in depth technical details on factory bikes, performance charts, comparisons etc, in depth interviews ( not after the fact years removed, like we're used to. ) Detailing the ins and outs of riders, teams, sponsors etc. Ton's of content goes untouched. Unproduced.......

There is so much information and content that is just thrown away because it's a clown show of bro's, insiders and " Professionals. "

It was cute though they tried to have more technical break downs last season with the cut away bikes, que shot to a suzuki missing a front number plate... " And here are the triple clamps, .... This is a clutch. " ...........

Just an absolute joke, compared to any other sport where transparency and in depth analysis and reporting DRIVE and CONNECT the sport to it's core fans, helps bring in casual fans and connects teams and athletes with a wider sponsor base and outside of the industry backers. ( Think about sponsors, potential team owners, investors, media agencies, etc. )

No one loses................ Media outlets get more content, more views, readers and sales. Teams build closer relationships with their fans, Sponsors and products gain more traction with consumers and ultimately, us, the fans get a far more personal experience with the sport we love and base a large portion of our lives around.

The moto world is a funny place, and i'm not sure I like it, it's obvious how much the pitfalls of this little industry hold it back and keep it to itself.
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I love the fact that ML512 has so much info on the suspensions of the factory bikes. He has been the one that let's us know what they are running (air or spring, KYB or Showa, AER or Cone, etc.) and has some valid info from experience. Kudos

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