I haven't heard yet the 2 USGPs....

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jamma10 9/13/2016 4:18am
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I don't really see what the big deal is. Monster has invested a heck of a lot of money into the sport over the years, it seems as though they sponsor 50% of professional riders in some capacity or another and Eli Tomac probably benefits the most. They're the title sponsor of the World Championship so naturally they want to do what they can to ensure the USGPs are a success.

The riders that were supposedly strong-armed into racing them all seemed to geuinely enjoy the experience, so why should it matter to the rest of us? If it didn't help to generate more interest or benefit the GPs then so be it, but I think it's a bit unfair to criticise Monster for trying after everything they do for Motocross.
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Whitey 9/13/2016 4:29am
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Would you go and work extra days for your employer for free? Is your job as high risk as these guys? Obviously i base this on the presumption Eli and co werent getting paid extra as it seems to be reported. Also dont forget the mafia dont pay prize money it is just take take take with them crooks.

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Yep thats cool and all but lets be realistic here and see if someone of Eli.'s stature shows up without the pressure from monster or team...
Yep thats cool and all but lets be realistic here and see if someone of Eli.'s stature shows up without the pressure from monster or team. That there will be your real answer.

If Eli is healthy next year and doesn't race these again you know these interviews are nothing but fluff.
I understand American riders being reluctant ,
especially if they go and get beat by someone the fans feel the shouldn't, but the American riders done fantastic and that will get them more media coverage and in turn more fans and more media and more fans means more money and means our precious sport grows and gets more TV coverage.
Everyone wins!
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jamma10 9/13/2016 5:21am
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The way I see is that Tomac gets paid hundreds, if not millions of dollars a year by Kawasaki, Monster Energy, Alpinestars, Oakley, Bell, PPG paints (and god knows who else) to represent them while he races dirtibkes. Obviously Supercross and the National Outdoor Championship is his normal focus but his sponsors are internationally recognised brands commonly associated with the World Championship anyway, so it's much of a muchness. Purse money isn't a primary concern for a guy like him, it's just a nice added extra. I realise Dean Wilson hasnt raced as much as Tomac this year but in an interview after GH Dean Wilson said these races weren't even such a big deal, because racing dirtbikes is their job. It's just what they do.

The common assumption among the critics is that Monster didn't pay these guys to race these two GPs, but I'd be willing to bet they at least offered them some sort of bonus incentive for winning. There's also the possibility that Alpinestars, Oakley and Bell offered similar incentives, afterall they're getting more coverage too.

Im not a bricky, but if I was and I was employed by a well known Construction company that paid me a healthy retainer to work on a particular site but then asked me to do a few days elsewhere I'd happily do what was asked of me.

Edit; I'd be interested to know what, if any, repurcussions there would have been had riders dug their feet in and refused to race. I can't imagine Monster would have dropped their sponsorship so there must have been some give and take along the way.

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jamma10 wrote:
The way I see is that Tomac gets paid hundreds, if not millions of dollars a year by Kawasaki, Monster Energy, Alpinestars, Oakley, Bell, PPG paints...
The way I see is that Tomac gets paid hundreds, if not millions of dollars a year by Kawasaki, Monster Energy, Alpinestars, Oakley, Bell, PPG paints (and god knows who else) to represent them while he races dirtibkes. Obviously Supercross and the National Outdoor Championship is his normal focus but his sponsors are internationally recognised brands commonly associated with the World Championship anyway, so it's much of a muchness. Purse money isn't a primary concern for a guy like him, it's just a nice added extra. I realise Dean Wilson hasnt raced as much as Tomac this year but in an interview after GH Dean Wilson said these races weren't even such a big deal, because racing dirtbikes is their job. It's just what they do.

The common assumption among the critics is that Monster didn't pay these guys to race these two GPs, but I'd be willing to bet they at least offered them some sort of bonus incentive for winning. There's also the possibility that Alpinestars, Oakley and Bell offered similar incentives, afterall they're getting more coverage too.

Im not a bricky, but if I was and I was employed by a well known Construction company that paid me a healthy retainer to work on a particular site but then asked me to do a few days elsewhere I'd happily do what was asked of me.

Edit; I'd be interested to know what, if any, repurcussions there would have been had riders dug their feet in and refused to race. I can't imagine Monster would have dropped their sponsorship so there must have been some give and take along the way.
Comparing construction work to a world class athlete preparation,. Lol. Ok.
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jamma10 9/13/2016 5:53am
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Comparing construction work to a world class athlete preparation,. Lol. Ok.
Except I'm not making a direct comparison, you're just being pedantic.

Whitey asked if I would work extra days for free and the first example I could think of off the top of my head where an employer might ask that you worked somewhere else for a period of time was that.

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I dont see the crowds getting any bigger in the us if there are no nats as the big stars still wont race the gps. There...
I dont see the crowds getting any bigger in the us if there are no nats as the big stars still wont race the gps. There is no reason for them to join a series that is of no importance to them. I guarantee riders will be talking to managers a lot more now after this recent shit show and making sure they dont have these clauses where they have show up to fair races like the gps.

The only benefit for the riders is they may get that longer break to heal up.
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[b]RacerX: How much you enjoyed this experience? This is the second one in a row with the MXGP riders. I guess you’re happy with your performance...
RacerX: How much you enjoyed this experience? This is the second one in a row with the MXGP riders. I guess you’re happy with your performance but also to be with these guys racing and showing your potential against them.
Tomac: Yeah, I had a lot of fun. Obviously everyone’s really fast, but everyone respects each other, it seems like. It’s clean racing, so I enjoyed it. I would definitely come back for another one.


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You know these were a couple of races that I really enjoyed, you know, riding my motorcycle, you know the formats different to, it's just something different and something fresh. You know we're still racing dirtbikes but the schedules different, you're racing different guys, you know guys across the whole world so it's cool when everyone gets together. And I was able to get the wins so that made it extra special so I had a couple of fun weekends.
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Yep thats cool and all but lets be realistic here and see if someone of Eli.'s stature shows up without the pressure from monster or team...
Yep thats cool and all but lets be realistic here and see if someone of Eli.'s stature shows up without the pressure from monster or team. That there will be your real answer.

If Eli is healthy next year and doesn't race these again you know these interviews are nothing but fluff.
Seriously guy, I mean, you could say the same thing about the Nationals this year!

You really think he wanted to turn up for half of them after getting spanked most weeks? Probably not!

He went because he was paid to go, same as the GP's. His sponsors exercised a clause in his contract and he went, maybe he didn't want to go initially but it sounds like he actually enjoyed himself! Winning helps no doubt!
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mxb2 wrote:
Comparing construction work to a world class athlete preparation,. Lol. Ok.
jamma10 wrote:
Except I'm not making a direct comparison, you're just being pedantic. Whitey asked if I would work extra days for free and the first example I...
Except I'm not making a direct comparison, you're just being pedantic.

Whitey asked if I would work extra days for free and the first example I could think of off the top of my head where an employer might ask that you worked somewhere else for a period of time was that.

That's cool, you might work for free, but eli won't.
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Let me know when you've grasped the basic premise of this discussion.
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jamma10 wrote:
Except I'm not making a direct comparison, you're just being pedantic. Whitey asked if I would work extra days for free and the first example I...
Except I'm not making a direct comparison, you're just being pedantic.

Whitey asked if I would work extra days for free and the first example I could think of off the top of my head where an employer might ask that you worked somewhere else for a period of time was that.

Makes sense and I learned a new word.
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kkawboy14 9/13/2016 6:35am
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I wonder if Monster and Kawasaki had somebody winning in the GPs this year if they would have pushed Tomac to do the 2 races, as proof Monster and Kawasaki can put the smackdown in that series.

Also Tomac had to have some nerves at first about racing these guys with the showing that RV had.
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The top riders from both countries make a good living paid by the team they ride for. Yes there is outside money. The top riders get money from YouthStream to cover expenses for travel just like Formula 1 and points toward the end of the year for teams and riders to receive bonus money. No it's not purse money. We had a few riders attend out of there own pocket just to race at Glen Helen. I spoke to one rider from Europe who blew out his knee during the weekend and he stated Glen Helen to him was the best track they race or practice on in the world. Ask Carolli. He loves racing at Glen Helen.
I agree I think ticket prices could be $10.00 cheaper but we have to pay the bills.
MXON will be EPIC at Glen Helen.
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mxb2 9/13/2016 6:47am
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jamma10 wrote:
Let me know when you've grasped the basic premise of this discussion.
I did,. Check the mirror.
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My old man and I watched the last half of the second 450 moto yesterday and the first thing he said was "Wow, why is nobody...
My old man and I watched the last half of the second 450 moto yesterday and the first thing he said was "Wow, why is nobody there?" referring to the spectators.

Why don't more people in Southern California go? I know the average motocross fan in the US doesn't follow the GPs but you'd think they'd still go with some of the Americans being there. I'd go if it was within a few hours from me.
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$50 general admission ticket for Sunday only for a race filled with 95% of the riders the average So Cal fan has no clue about. A...
$50 general admission ticket for Sunday only for a race filled with 95% of the riders the average So Cal fan has no clue about.

A lot of my friends turned down going because it was $50. They probably won't be paying the $80+ dollar MXDN ticket either. Add on the $20 parking fee (with no one there to direct traffic after the race). $35 event T Shirts, $20 pit passes, lunch, drinks, etc it's an expensive day to watch a bunch of dudes you don't really know compared to the AMA guys that you have followed their entire career and see 5 other times in SX and at the National.

If Tomac/Dungey/Roczen/Anderson/Stewart/Reed/Seely/Wilson/Canard/Tickle/Barcia/Peick/Etc raced in the 450s against the GP guys there would be more attendance. And if it was $30 bucks each with open pits/ it would be packed.

If I had to guess (not knowing their deal), financially it was not a success. Racing wise it was a great race.
A $70 or $100 pice tag to watch world class entertainment, in your back yard, and your complaining(entry + parking)? I bet you can drop $100 in a bar or restaurant without batting an eye. Good point on lower prices attracting more people though - it would.
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731chopper wrote:
My old man and I watched the last half of the second 450 moto yesterday and the first thing he said was "Wow, why is nobody...
My old man and I watched the last half of the second 450 moto yesterday and the first thing he said was "Wow, why is nobody there?" referring to the spectators.

Why don't more people in Southern California go? I know the average motocross fan in the US doesn't follow the GPs but you'd think they'd still go with some of the Americans being there. I'd go if it was within a few hours from me.
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$50 general admission ticket for Sunday only for a race filled with 95% of the riders the average So Cal fan has no clue about. A...
$50 general admission ticket for Sunday only for a race filled with 95% of the riders the average So Cal fan has no clue about.

A lot of my friends turned down going because it was $50. They probably won't be paying the $80+ dollar MXDN ticket either. Add on the $20 parking fee (with no one there to direct traffic after the race). $35 event T Shirts, $20 pit passes, lunch, drinks, etc it's an expensive day to watch a bunch of dudes you don't really know compared to the AMA guys that you have followed their entire career and see 5 other times in SX and at the National.

If Tomac/Dungey/Roczen/Anderson/Stewart/Reed/Seely/Wilson/Canard/Tickle/Barcia/Peick/Etc raced in the 450s against the GP guys there would be more attendance. And if it was $30 bucks each with open pits/ it would be packed.

If I had to guess (not knowing their deal), financially it was not a success. Racing wise it was a great race.
brewrabb wrote:
A $70 or $100 pice tag to watch world class entertainment, in your back yard, and your complaining(entry + parking)? I bet you can drop $100...
A $70 or $100 pice tag to watch world class entertainment, in your back yard, and your complaining(entry + parking)? I bet you can drop $100 in a bar or restaurant without batting an eye. Good point on lower prices attracting more people though - it would.
X2,. To see the gp guys is worth it to me. They dont come over here often. Like you said people spend $100-200 at a bar don't think twice,. Ironic.
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731chopper wrote:
My old man and I watched the last half of the second 450 moto yesterday and the first thing he said was "Wow, why is nobody...
My old man and I watched the last half of the second 450 moto yesterday and the first thing he said was "Wow, why is nobody there?" referring to the spectators.

Why don't more people in Southern California go? I know the average motocross fan in the US doesn't follow the GPs but you'd think they'd still go with some of the Americans being there. I'd go if it was within a few hours from me.
KirkChandler wrote:
$50 general admission ticket for Sunday only for a race filled with 95% of the riders the average So Cal fan has no clue about. A...
$50 general admission ticket for Sunday only for a race filled with 95% of the riders the average So Cal fan has no clue about.

A lot of my friends turned down going because it was $50. They probably won't be paying the $80+ dollar MXDN ticket either. Add on the $20 parking fee (with no one there to direct traffic after the race). $35 event T Shirts, $20 pit passes, lunch, drinks, etc it's an expensive day to watch a bunch of dudes you don't really know compared to the AMA guys that you have followed their entire career and see 5 other times in SX and at the National.

If Tomac/Dungey/Roczen/Anderson/Stewart/Reed/Seely/Wilson/Canard/Tickle/Barcia/Peick/Etc raced in the 450s against the GP guys there would be more attendance. And if it was $30 bucks each with open pits/ it would be packed.

If I had to guess (not knowing their deal), financially it was not a success. Racing wise it was a great race.
brewrabb wrote:
A $70 or $100 pice tag to watch world class entertainment, in your back yard, and your complaining(entry + parking)? I bet you can drop $100...
A $70 or $100 pice tag to watch world class entertainment, in your back yard, and your complaining(entry + parking)? I bet you can drop $100 in a bar or restaurant without batting an eye. Good point on lower prices attracting more people though - it would.
I'm only complaining that we had to pay to park and get no traffic control leaving after the race. It wasn't too bad of a traffic jamb getting out, but people don't know how to merge and pull onto the road.

I paid the ticket fee, I could get free tickets if I needed, but I know the struggle of promotion and felt Bud and crew needed the ticket sales. I know the cost of fence rentals, out house rentals, speaker rentals, genarators, equipment, etc that goes into putting on the event. Every ticket sale does help cover costs.

I understand it's a limited crowd potential with a GP, and with a smaller crowd you have to charge more to get your number where you need it.

That's why I asked my friends that go to SX if they wanted to go: "How Much?" "$50 each." "Who's racing, Dunge? Kenny? Tomac? Reed?" "Not sure, Tomac is supposed to be there." Most said no because they didn't want to spend $50 to see riders that they don't know.

It'd be like going to a big concert and paying full price to see a bunch of Euro bands you don't know, but they are all big acts in Europe (Cairoli/Gajser/Febvre), but they aren't the Led Zepplin, Stones, or the Beatles level (Decoster/Mikola/Robert level), maybe there's one big in Europe, American band like a David Hasselhoff (Covington) that will be there and then you got a maybe/no from some American based acts that really sell out American venues like Justin Timberlake, Luke Bryan, and Rhiana (Dungey/Tomac/Roczen). The fans of the bands would be scratching their heads trying to figure out why they could be front row for their favorite bands in America, while the Americans are apathetic and really just want Led Zeppelin to return, cause they'd pay $100 for that. Silly

The general American fans don't really know the GP guys to get that excited about another Glen Helen race. Us fanatics on the message boards that follow the sport 24/7 know they are fast and cool, but there are probably only 3-4,000 of us that will pay $50 to watch a GP.
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billyslap 9/13/2016 9:29am
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I know this may sound a bit Anti American, but it's not meant to be. I think most American fans want to see American riders totally...
I know this may sound a bit Anti American, but it's not meant to be.
I think most American fans want to see American riders totally dominate the rest of the world and aren't interested if it isn't a dead cert. so don't go .
Well, Eli changed that and if Herlings wasn't in mx2!
Maybe there will be more fans and riders there next time.
Oh ,as for price, if it's the same as a national , surely that should be ok?
If you want to see the B squad ride you can show up on any given practice day at Glen Helen and watch for a lot less money.

I am not saying Herlings, AC222 and a few others aren't fast and I would want to watch them ride but after thatWoohoo

You can see a few fast guys out there any day. The rest are B riders we have never heard of so why pay all the money.

I think a GP in the southeast (like Georgia or Bama) would do better because of the lack nationals down there (Muddy Creek is a bit to far) if they could get more top US riders.

Other than that, mehDry

Oh you wanna know how to get them to show up? Purse money....
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More US GP's? Luongo has to be the most delusional promoter to think more would be best. SX attracts the general fans and hardcore fans alike at optimal levels (top well-known riders,stadium seating, concessions, etc.), US nationals attracts a bit less of the general fans but the same level of hardcore fans (top well-known riders, but less than optimal seating and concessions compared to a stadium), and MXGP's attract close to none of the general fan and only a portion of the hardcore fans. This is not a slam on the MXGP riders because they really are great riders, it's just simple market research that has played out in front of our eyes for several years now in the US MXGP experiment.

In my opinion, it should be only 1 per year that rotates to different tracks around the country, and it should be the weekend right after the US nationals end. Let the teams/riders pencil it into their new contracts for the top riders and it may reach US nationals level (AKA profitable).

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I dont see the crowds getting any bigger in the us if there are no nats as the big stars still wont race the gps. There...
I dont see the crowds getting any bigger in the us if there are no nats as the big stars still wont race the gps. There is no reason for them to join a series that is of no importance to them. I guarantee riders will be talking to managers a lot more now after this recent shit show and making sure they dont have these clauses where they have show up to fair races like the gps.

The only benefit for the riders is they may get that longer break to heal up.
In the future sx and gp might be the only two series of importance for Monster and bike manufacturers
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My dream, supercross abolished and Our outdoor championship and GPs combine for a 16-18 event 2 Moto format true world championship Woohoo
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Sooooo 22 rounds of SX, AMA nationals go away, and then one MXGP outdoor world championship?

Did I cover it all?
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I would love to see some GP/USA National combos where all the top guys were there. I know it would be hard with different rules and purse structures.
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I would love to see some GP/USA National combos where all the top guys were there. I know it would be hard with different rules and...
I would love to see some GP/USA National combos where all the top guys were there. I know it would be hard with different rules and purse structures.
Who is gonna talk Lungo into opening up his wallet

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I would love to see some GP/USA National combos where all the top guys were there. I know it would be hard with different rules and...
I would love to see some GP/USA National combos where all the top guys were there. I know it would be hard with different rules and purse structures.
The big question can't be the pursemoney. If one of the promotors, combined or by themselfes can offer good broadcast they will win the support of the industry. I think we will see in a few years which way it will go. Mx is too small as a sport to support multiple series. The golden age of twostrokes and full gates aint coming back. If we could get all the talent behind the same gate that would offer some compensations for the fans right? At least to me.
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Can't speak for Charlotte, but Glen Helen will have more spectators at this weekends WORCS race... I was really disappointed.
Charlotte was a success if you ask me, but it is clear that the (South) Californian fans aren't interested in MXGP Racing. They got so many possibilities to see motocross, endurocross, supercross, worcs and even road racing at the highest level. That they don't care about one MXGP Grand Prix. So If I was Youthstream I would leave California after the MXON and search an nice natural track in some state that doesn't have ten pro events a year, and who got someone crazy enough to try it out.

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They need to make some changes to the entry fee and payout system to get more local guys to come out and race when a gp is in your country. Here in the US they could get some more US top 15 riders and teams there with some changes to make it worth their investment required. They have the best shot running here after the nationals at the end of the year they just need to make some other changes if they want the non regular gp riders.
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It got me to pony up $9 each race to watch on TV. So I'd consider that a success!
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I seriously doubt the US Nationals would be going away. They could change, but no way they are going away. Why would the factory teams field racers for half a season and then close down for 7 months? Where will the next generation of racers in the US come from? Privateers in the US surely are not going to head overseas and run the GP's.

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The way I see is that Tomac gets paid hundreds, if not millions of dollars a year by Kawasaki, Monster Energy, Alpinestars, Oakley, Bell, PPG paints...
The way I see is that Tomac gets paid hundreds, if not millions of dollars a year by Kawasaki, Monster Energy, Alpinestars, Oakley, Bell, PPG paints (and god knows who else) to represent them while he races dirtibkes. Obviously Supercross and the National Outdoor Championship is his normal focus but his sponsors are internationally recognised brands commonly associated with the World Championship anyway, so it's much of a muchness. Purse money isn't a primary concern for a guy like him, it's just a nice added extra. I realise Dean Wilson hasnt raced as much as Tomac this year but in an interview after GH Dean Wilson said these races weren't even such a big deal, because racing dirtbikes is their job. It's just what they do.

The common assumption among the critics is that Monster didn't pay these guys to race these two GPs, but I'd be willing to bet they at least offered them some sort of bonus incentive for winning. There's also the possibility that Alpinestars, Oakley and Bell offered similar incentives, afterall they're getting more coverage too.

Im not a bricky, but if I was and I was employed by a well known Construction company that paid me a healthy retainer to work on a particular site but then asked me to do a few days elsewhere I'd happily do what was asked of me.

Edit; I'd be interested to know what, if any, repurcussions there would have been had riders dug their feet in and refused to race. I can't imagine Monster would have dropped their sponsorship so there must have been some give and take along the way.
So he either makes hundreds of dollars, or millions of dollars?? Damn, I thought working flat rate that my paycheck fluctuated a lot.

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