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This is not AMA vs GP if you haven`t noticed.
2007, 2009, 2010, 2015 MXDN were not held on a GP track.
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We have won that event about 5 x more than any other country on earth. What do you think will happen at Glen Helen in 2017? Take a guess.
This isn't an excuse thread at all....it's a thread asking why 98% of the mxon's races are on your side of the planet....racing on the same GP tracks all those guys race.
Easy to talk shit i guess when we're always the ones having to travel and race tracks our riders don't know.
And through all the babbling and bitching....either one of you answered " why " the race is almost always on a GP course. Sure you'll dodge the question again.
It seems to me you are saying that USA is not being given chance to host MXDN. Have you ever asked USA track owners do they want to host it? You`ll be surprised about the answer.
No one`s dodging the question. You don`t like the answers and looking for one specific answer (to hold USA down), but I doubt anyone with brains will give you that answer.
It took Kegums five years to build to those requirements. Kegums was half the size before it placed a bid to host MXDN.
FIM: world crown organisation for motorcycle racing. The Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme
Here are all world national associations:
Europe:
Andorra — Federacio Motociclista d’Andorra
Austria — Oesterreichischer Automobil- Motorrad- und Touring Club
Belarus — Belarusian Federation of Motorcycle Sport and Bicycle Motocross Sport
Belgium — Fédération Motocycliste de Belgique
Bosnia and Herzegovina — Bosanskohercegovački Auto-Moto Klub
Bulgaria — Българска Федерация Мотоциклетизъм
Croatia — Hrvatski Motociklisticki Savez
Cyprus — Κυπριακή Ομοσπονδία Μοτοσυκλέτας
Czech Republic — Autoklub České republiky
Denmark — Danmarks Motor Union
Estonia — Eesti Mootorrattaspordi Föderatsioon
Finland — Suomen Moottoriliitto r.y.
France — Fédération Française de Motocyclisme
Germany — Deutscher Motor Sport Bund e. V.
Greece — Automobile and Touring Club of Greece
Hungary — Magyar Motorsport Szövetség
Iceland — Motorcycle and Snowmobile Sports Association of Iceland
Ireland — Motor Cycle Union of Ireland (includes Northern Ireland)
Italy — Federazione Motociclistica Italiana
Latvia — Latvijas Motosporta Federācija
Liechtenstein — Liechtensteiner Motorrad-Verband
Lithuania — Lithuanian Motorcycle Sport Federation
Luxembourg — Motor Union du Grand Duché de Luxembourg
Monaco — Moto Club de Monaco
Montenegro — Auto-moto Savez Crne Gore
Netherlands — Koninklijke Nederlandse Motorrijders Vereniging
Norway — Norges Motorsportforbund
Poland — Polski Związek Motorowy
Portugal — Portuguese Motorcycling Federation
Russia — Motorcycle Federation of Russia
Serbia - Auto-moto savez Srbije AMSS
Slovakia — Slovenská Motocyklová Federácia
Slovenia - Avto-Moto Zveza Slovenije
Spain — Real Federación Motociclista Española
Sweden — Svenska Motorcykel- och Snöskoterförbundet
Macedonia — Avto Moto Sojuz na Makedonija
Switzerland — Fédération Motocycliste Suisse
United Kingdom — Auto-Cycle Union (excludes Northern Ireland)
Africa
Algeria — Fédération Algérienne des Sports Mécaniques
Ivory Coast — Fédération Ivoirienne de Sports Automobile et Motocyclisme
Egypt — Automobile and Touring Club of Egypt
Morocco — Fédération Royale Marocaine de Motocyclisme
Namibia — Namibia Motor Sport Federation
Asia
United Arab Emirates — United Arab Emirates Motorcycle Club
Bahrain — Bahrain Motor Federation
China — 中国摩托车运动协会网
Hong Kong — Hong Kong Automobile Association
India — The Federation of Motor Sports Clubs of India
Indonesia — Ikatan Motor Indonesia
Iran — Automobile & Motorcycle Federation of I.R. Iran
Israel — Automobile & Touring Club of Israel
Jordan — Royal Motorcycle Club of Jordan
Japan — Motorcycle Federation of Japan
Kazakhstan — Automotorsport Federation of the Republic of Kazakhstan
South Korea — Korea Motorcycle Federation
Kuwait — Kuwait International Automobile Club
Lebanon — Lebanese Motorcycles Club
Sri Lanka — Federation of Motorcycle Sports in Sri Lanka
Macau — Automovel Clube de Macau China
Malaysia — The Automobile Association of Malaysia
Mongolia — Mongolian Automobile Motorcycle Sports Federation
Nepal — Nepal Automobile Sports Association
Philippines — National Motorcycle Sports and Safety Association
Qatar — Qatar Motor and Motorcycling Federation
Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabian Motor Federation
Singapore — Singapore Motor Sports Association
Thailand — Federation of Motor Sports Clubs of Thailand
Tajikistan — Auto-Moto Federation of Tajikistan
Taiwan — 中華賽車會
North America
Canada — Canadian Motorcycle Association
Costa Rica — Moto Club de Costa Rica
Cuba — Federación Cubana de Motociclismo
Dominican Republic — Federación Dominicana de Motociclismo
El Salvador — Federación Salvadoreña de Motociclismo
Guatemala — Federación Nacional de Motociclismo de Guatemala
Mexico — Federación Mexicana de Motociclismo A.C.
Nicaragua — Unión Nicaragüense de Motociclismo
Panama — Unión Panameña de Motociclismo
United States — American Motorcyclist Association
South America
Argentina — Confederación Argentina de Motociclismo Deportivo
Bolivia — Federación Boliviana de Motociclismo
Brazil — Confederaçao Brasileira de Motociclismo
Chile — Federación de Motociclismo de Chile
Colombia — Federación Colombiana de Motociclismo
Ecuador — Federación Ecuatoriana de Motociclismo
Paraguay — Federación Paraguaya de Motociclismo
Peru — Federación Peruana de Motociclismo
Uruguay - Federación Uruguaya de Motociclismo
Venezuela - Federación Motociclista Venezolana
Oceania
Australia — Motorcycling Australia
Guam — Guam Motorcycle and ATV Corporation
New Zealand — Motorcycling New Zealand Inc
So, why do you think AMA is entitled to host more then 1 MXdN event per decade?
2009: Franciacorta, Italy. New track for everyone, at a road race track (read: concrete soil for the paddock, huge camping infrastructure). USA won.
2008: Donington Park, Great Britain. Also at a road race track. USA won.
2003: Zolder, Belgium. Held at a road race track. This track became a GP track in 2004.
1999: Indaiatuba, Brazil. Not a GP regular, as this was at Belo Horizonte at the time.
1996: Jerez de la Frontera, Spain. At a road race track, was built for the first time in 1992. USA won.
1992: Manjimup, Australia. No GP track. USA won.
And the USA has the size of entire Europe. So in my opinion this is not some kind of vendetta against Nations held in the States at all. For all I care they hold it in Argentina, Australia or Canada in 2018. As long as the racing is good, I' don't really care where it's held.
Ask the Glen Helen and Budds Creek crews how costly it actually has been for them. They both held GPs that were money losers to get the Des Nations. Not sure how Lakewood was able to pull it off without hosting a GP (maybe they paid a higher promotion fee?)
Youthstream is in motocross promotion to make money. It's not altruistic. If a country is willing to fork over the promotion fee, they will get on the wait list. American motocross isn't subsidized by the government like some countries are, American promoters have to put their money, tracks, relationships on the line and hope it doesn't rain on race weekend or they are screwed.
As far as the ratio of US to European tracks, since 2002 the Des Nations was to be held in the US 4 times in 15 years (02 Comp Park (didn't happen, but was supposed to), 07 Budds Creek, 10 Lakewood, 17 Glen Helen). That's not a bad ratio. Youthsream has tried to keep Team USA involved, because Team USA participation makes a difference on event value to the host promoter.
Would love to see it back at Foxhills, as said money and infrastructure mean it simply won't happen.
Pit Row
Also like Kongols mentioned, every country has it's national championships. I never heard anyone from another country saying that MXDN should be held at their home soil, otherwise they're at a disadvantage.
Nobody is keeping american racers from racing in MXGP World Championship instead of USA Nationals. If they did race GP's those wouldn't be unknown tracks for them anymore.
And, there's the trip across the pond for A LOT of teams and financial side of things.
As De Stouwer showed, it's been on a fair few 'neutral' tracks during relatively recent years.
Kirk Chandler put up some hugely educational points for many in his post above.
People here with a reasonable knowledge of the GPs and Luongo, will know that Giuseppe came out with his idea of having the MXDN every 3 or 4 years in the US, after the Budds Creek / Colorado events.
His mind blowing fees that lead to buggerall chance for a decent profit for the promoters, put paid to that. And the near complete lack of interest shown by spectators in the much touted 'heart' of MX - Southern California - for the GPs with the first two ( things were a bit better last year) showed it was not possible. He'd have to take some 'risk' himself, and not leave the local promoter exposed to near certain loss's. But, that's his 'model' for all 'his' racing events - he makes damned sure he keeps making a packet, and he doesn't give a damn about the other participants. In cold business terms, many will find Luongos devotion to his / Youthstreams bottom line admirable, but, he's doing huge damage to others / the sport in general in lining his pockets.
The USA has had a pretty good amount of MXDNs. What's to complain about? A whole bunch of countries that would like to do it, have had one, or no chances at it.
Travel expense? Well, quite a few other teams travel huge distances to the event, every bloody year. Un Zud (ratbags, the lot of them) and Australia among them.
US Teams are treated like Royalty / Rock Stars at the MXDN. If you haven't seen just that alone, you need to get to an MXDN, if you are an American.
Motocross Riders should be able to ride Motocross tracks, wherever they are. Previous US Teams have won (a lot) on unfamiliar tracks. Just because you've had a few years of not winning (whilst Still doing incredibly well), shouldn't have you bleating about any perceived advantages . You'll win again, and then, it will return to being an extremely important event, for the twonkers who get off the bandwagon when you don't win a few.
Regarding current AMA riders declining to race for Team USA, this pussified approach should automatically blacklist them from any future Team selection.
I also believe (think that's a disguise for an opinion) fans would willingly pay 2 to 5 dollars more a ticket if the money went to rest rooms and ports potties servicing and hand wash stations.
On that subject does anyone do it better than the Dirt Diggers? I think they have the most porta potties of any track I've been to.
I've been a fan of porta potties since a child and have a scrapbook of every model made and specific model variants. I'm pulling your leg at this point about the scrapbook and fan stuff but without a doubt this is a huge part of the fan experience.
It's really a huge part. Trust me. :-)
Hey Mark to this day as a testament to upper body protection including spinal protection I still recant the time I fish tailed out in front of you circa 97 at GH the first moto and you t boned me on your YZ426. It was totally my fault and I had your tire marks across my back and rubber on the back of my helmet. Good times! :-)
I think there is a lot of good reasons in here best being, what track has the infrastructure that doesn't host a GP or National and all the teams having to travel
I also think if it's held in the States, then it's a huge advantage for one team (and normally the strongest) where as if it's held on a GP track then the advantage is more spread out, it's just unfortunate for the US but you guys normally are the ones that can overcome that disadvantage.. Shit! Even at Lommel they got on the podium
The last 3 yrs seems to get highlighted as some sort of fundamental shift in balance between the speed of the GP and AMA riders but imo it's much more subtle than that. Though the riders are closer than ever, truth be told is that America could've very easily won the race with just a bit of luck here or there in their favour. The same is also true in regards to some of their victories, with France especially seeming to always get the short end of the stick at the last minute. It's also not the first time the USA has not won a few times in a row (97, 98, 99, and just before that; 94 95).
We should have it one year, Europe one year, them some where exotic one year. Or in the previous years winners country.
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