Fractured Tibia at ankle.. Would stiffer boots really helped?

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Boots are A-stars Tech 7, new condition, knee/shin guards.

So I made it to both mains last weekend at the vet races at Mammoth Motocross.

My bike had some chronic electrical issues that we chased the entire practice day and all weekend really, which made it tough to get my suspension dialed in..

Anyways they had a stupid wall jump with a trough in front of it. I'd been riding the rear wheel through the trough and bouncing off the face and catching 3rd in the air to land half way down the back to get speed for the following roller section.

It worked all weekend until the 3rd lap of the final Sunday. Brought the front up and all the sudden the suspension just bottomed harder than I've ever felt, folding my right foot over on itself and shattering the bottom of my tibia.

I didn't go down, my feet never left the pegs. I knew in the air that my boot was holding my joint together and my heart sank. Had to ride the track out of the woods and get to the pits.

My question of you guys is do you think having a Tech 10 or other boot combined with knee braces would have prevented this?

Or would have just transferred the energy further up my leg to a tib/fib fracture, or femur fracture?

Thanks for any thoughts or experiences you can share on this.







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I suffered nearly the exact same type of injury casing a large step up at Shell Reef March of 2000. My left ankle snapped violently to the left as the energy was transferred up through my pegs. I was wearing brand new SIDI's that were super stiff right outta the box.

I honestly don't think a tougher boot woulda helped. And even if they did that energy woulda had to go somewhere. Maybe your knee? Or like MC on his KTM, your hip.

Get better!
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I suffered nearly the exact same type of injury casing a large step up at Shell Reef March of 2000. My left ankle snapped violently to...
I suffered nearly the exact same type of injury casing a large step up at Shell Reef March of 2000. My left ankle snapped violently to the left as the energy was transferred up through my pegs. I was wearing brand new SIDI's that were super stiff right outta the box.

I honestly don't think a tougher boot woulda helped. And even if they did that energy woulda had to go somewhere. Maybe your knee? Or like MC on his KTM, your hip.

Get better!
Thanks man that's what I was thinking. I want to get knee braces but it's kind of daunting to think about having that energy sent further up the leg..
6/25/2016 3:11am
Just be happy you didn't break the talus!! Heal up quickly bro.
6/25/2016 3:38am
In my personal experience stiffer boots may not changed the outcome.

With tech 10 i ruptued my knee.

Years later with tech 10 and asterics knee braces i twisted my leg and had a spiral fracture of tib fib.

Somethings got to give with the force, lucky not to be a hip like townley!

My 2 cents worth.

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I had this exact same fracture in March of this year and just got back on the bike about a month ago. I was wearing tech 10's that had some flex in the ankle area from 2 seasons of wear. Would a stiffer boot have helped? No way of knowing. The boot plastic had ripped pretty quickly when first got them on the inside ankle right where it would have needed to flex to break my ankle in that way. I wasn't happy with that considering what they cost. It would have likely been the same outcome in any boot but for what it's worth, I bought a new set of gaerne SG-12's before getting back on the bike. Good luck in your recovery!




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Check out ankle savers footpegs, they may help over rotating the joint
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6/25/2016 6:40am
I agree with all the above, if there is enough force to break something on up will break more than likely. Get well!
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What I've learned over the years, in most cases, the force it takes to break a bone is not going to be prevented by any boot imo. Good boots will provide support and protection in cases of tissue/ligament damage, in sprains and twisted ankles. I think good boots really shine in preventing these injuries from becoming much worse.
I've asked this very question to a few surgeons when I broke legs/ankle/foot and that's what they told me, but I'm sure they have helped in some cases though.
I do believe the best boots are worth the money. They do offer more protection and can definitely reduce or prevent injuries in many cases, and they are usually far superior in comfort and durability. Although when it comes to broken bones in most cases the injury surpasses the amount of protection that any boot can provide.
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After a tib/fib break and shattered ankle, I bought brand new sidi crossfire boots. Third ride in the new boots, I flat landed off a table top and broke my ankle and heel. I think stiffer boots may only help in side to side, not direct force upward. Like has been mentioned, the force has to go somewhere. Get well.





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Wow I wouldn't have guessed this was such a common fracture. I don't have my x-rays but I did this to my right ankle in 2013. Mine still aches, and I never got full range of motion back. Sometimes I wake up and my right foot is just aching from the ankle down. How have your injuries healed?
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6/25/2016 11:06am
Wow, looks exactly like my ankle fracture. Mine happened september 2015 and still hurts from time to time, also havent gotten full motion back. 4 screws and a plate for mine...
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Man Mammoth ate a bunch of us this year . I also got a tour of the Mammoth ER . I would recommend some SG -12 when you come back .
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Not trying to hijack the thread but talking about transfer of force, any opinions on wearing knee braces with rods in both femurs? I broke the left one 5 years ago riding then broke the right one 3 years ago in a rzr accident. Still have rods in both and wasn't wearing knee braces in either accident but it seems like knee braces transfer force to the femur. Thoughts?
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MotoGuido wrote:
Boots are A-stars Tech 7, new condition, knee/shin guards. So I made it to both mains last weekend at the vet races at Mammoth Motocross. My...
Boots are A-stars Tech 7, new condition, knee/shin guards.

So I made it to both mains last weekend at the vet races at Mammoth Motocross.

My bike had some chronic electrical issues that we chased the entire practice day and all weekend really, which made it tough to get my suspension dialed in..

Anyways they had a stupid wall jump with a trough in front of it. I'd been riding the rear wheel through the trough and bouncing off the face and catching 3rd in the air to land half way down the back to get speed for the following roller section.

It worked all weekend until the 3rd lap of the final Sunday. Brought the front up and all the sudden the suspension just bottomed harder than I've ever felt, folding my right foot over on itself and shattering the bottom of my tibia.

I didn't go down, my feet never left the pegs. I knew in the air that my boot was holding my joint together and my heart sank. Had to ride the track out of the woods and get to the pits.

My question of you guys is do you think having a Tech 10 or other boot combined with knee braces would have prevented this?

Or would have just transferred the energy further up my leg to a tib/fib fracture, or femur fracture?

Thanks for any thoughts or experiences you can share on this.







This is the correct answer....
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For those of you that have had this injury how long did you wait to get the surgery, if at all?

And what was the recovery time after surgery?

I'm a week in as of tomorrow and still haven't even got to meet with a surgeon since I'm on an HMO plan..
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6/25/2016 8:17pm Edited Date/Time 6/25/2016 8:18pm
Also had this same injury, breaking the lower tibia right at the ankle, left foot. My incident was a bit different, getting spit off the bike after a swapped landing onto really hard dirt. My boots at the time were not very stiff at all and I think the break came more from a side-to-side force fracture. Got the surgery immediately, hardware and all. Recovery time 6 weeks.

Hard to say if stiffer boots would have helped but I would think they probably would have in that exact situation. Yes, the force would have been applied higher up on the leg, but then it becomes a question of magnitude/intensity of the force and if it is enough to break the actual bone higher up. It should require more force to break a femur, doesn't mean it still couldn't have broke.

Two things I would advise on the recovery.
1) See a good physiotherapist and over-do their recommended dose of exercises for a long time
2) Get the hardware removed once that is possible to do (I waited about 20 months).

I injured my left ankle from all this in 2003 and even today it has way more range of motion than the other un-injured ankle because of all the physio I did on it and feels great.
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My Mammoth Wall trophy Saturday morning first Moto. Did Dr Gilmer work on you ?

Had on new SG 12s Mine was a compression fracture on the face of the wall so I don't think any boots would've helped. Total brain fade
6/25/2016 8:25pm
MotoGuido wrote:
Boots are A-stars Tech 7, new condition, knee/shin guards. So I made it to both mains last weekend at the vet races at Mammoth Motocross. My...
Boots are A-stars Tech 7, new condition, knee/shin guards.

So I made it to both mains last weekend at the vet races at Mammoth Motocross.

My bike had some chronic electrical issues that we chased the entire practice day and all weekend really, which made it tough to get my suspension dialed in..

Anyways they had a stupid wall jump with a trough in front of it. I'd been riding the rear wheel through the trough and bouncing off the face and catching 3rd in the air to land half way down the back to get speed for the following roller section.

It worked all weekend until the 3rd lap of the final Sunday. Brought the front up and all the sudden the suspension just bottomed harder than I've ever felt, folding my right foot over on itself and shattering the bottom of my tibia.

I didn't go down, my feet never left the pegs. I knew in the air that my boot was holding my joint together and my heart sank. Had to ride the track out of the woods and get to the pits.

My question of you guys is do you think having a Tech 10 or other boot combined with knee braces would have prevented this?

Or would have just transferred the energy further up my leg to a tib/fib fracture, or femur fracture?

Thanks for any thoughts or experiences you can share on this.







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6/25/2016 9:59pm Edited Date/Time 6/25/2016 10:00pm
Fog 25 wrote:
My Mammoth Wall trophy Saturday morning first Moto. Did Dr Gilmer work on you ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/06/25/141028/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Had on new SG 12s Mine was a compression fracture...
My Mammoth Wall trophy Saturday morning first Moto. Did Dr Gilmer work on you ?

Had on new SG 12s Mine was a compression fracture on the face of the wall so I don't think any boots would've helped. Total brain fade
Ouch!

Mine was the same, compressing going up the wall.

What a stupid obstacle. We should email all our photos of our X-rays to the Mammoth MX guys in a thank you letter about this wall obstacle. I know there are some dumb things at race tracks but I've honestly not raced on a dumber thing than that, mainly the combination with the trough dug out in front.

Nobody has worked on mine yet..
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I had emergency surgery within 2 hours. I also had broken my wrist and torn my shoulder. I had those fixed about 2 months later. Due to the arm and shoulder injury, I had to use a walker with an attachment to rest my arm. I would sit at home all alone during the day without drinking anything because it was too much work to get to bathroom. Off work for three months, walking boot for two more and still waited two more to ride again. As bad as it was, it was no where as painful as my dislocated shoulder last year, ouch. Three hours for drs to decide upon open or closed reduction due to broken humerous.
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Get well soon!
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Fog 25 wrote:
My Mammoth Wall trophy Saturday morning first Moto. Did Dr Gilmer work on you ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/06/25/141028/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Had on new SG 12s Mine was a compression fracture...
My Mammoth Wall trophy Saturday morning first Moto. Did Dr Gilmer work on you ?

Had on new SG 12s Mine was a compression fracture on the face of the wall so I don't think any boots would've helped. Total brain fade
MotoGuido wrote:
Ouch! Mine was the same, compressing going up the wall. What a stupid obstacle. We should email all our photos of our X-rays to the Mammoth...
Ouch!

Mine was the same, compressing going up the wall.

What a stupid obstacle. We should email all our photos of our X-rays to the Mammoth MX guys in a thank you letter about this wall obstacle. I know there are some dumb things at race tracks but I've honestly not raced on a dumber thing than that, mainly the combination with the trough dug out in front.

Nobody has worked on mine yet..
It's been one week since running out of talent and getting my foot caught in a bear trap up in Mammoth.
Home resting comfortably. The Fibia was plated last Saturday in Mammoth and the leg was put in an external fixation Device. Saw a specialist in LA on Thursday. He said something to look forward to is the Tibia and medial Malleolus surgery in three weeks. In the mean time the fun is is hobbling around on a extremely sprained left ankle. Looks like no weight-bearing on the right leg for three months. After I'm up on the right will take a look at the left ankle.
Don't We love this sport? As Major injury I feel real bless that after 47 years this is my first major injury. Wanted to hit 50 years with no major injuries guess I'll have to start the clock over now.

I've race on all the Mammoth track changes sent 1974 this is the one that bit me.I think its not a Mammoth obstacle more of a super cross. That being said everybody have to get through it and it bite a few of us. Like you said the trough in front of it made it more difficult but personally I didn't like the corner changes more then the wall they all just ruined the flow of Mammoth. Mammoth supposed to be old-school motocross I think they will lose attendance next year if he continues to make it more modern.
4/17/2018 6:33am
First post here.

did mine on sunday, overshot a tabletop that had been shortened since the last time i rode... failed to roll the track to start off with, big mistake! having a external





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4/17/2018 7:13am
I shattered my heel 6 weeks ago wearing new tech 7s, the last thing I expected to injure.
4/17/2018 7:45am
Ha, I did mine in my brand new tech 5's, first ride in them. It wasn't because of any fault of the boots though, I overshot the tabletop in the worst way imaginable.
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Sorry to head about your injuries. If you need a great Doctor use Dr Milton Little at Cedar Sinai. ? He’s the guy put mine back together couldn’t be more pleased with the results. He deals in trauma orthopedic surgery. Tell him Steve Rawson sent you.
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4/17/2018 2:19pm
Old bones are brittle, boots would not have made a difference heal up quick and get yourself some knee braces.They would not have helped with this injury but make a substantial difference to anyone over 25 and still riding hard.Get Well Soon Best of Luck.
4/17/2018 2:26pm
How does a knee brace help with the ankles?
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I don't know but racing motorcross sounds downright dangerous.
4/17/2018 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2018 3:16pm
No boots are going to protect your ankle or tibia from being broken. Not a single one.

Knee braces helping prevent a broken ankle? You might want to try a kidney belt instead.

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