Hangtown 150' Jump

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5/24/2016 12:54pm
NV825 wrote:
I think it's awesome. It isn't a do or die type jump, riders can simply double it and barely lose any time. Gives the fans a...
I think it's awesome. It isn't a do or die type jump, riders can simply double it and barely lose any time. Gives the fans a great view to some massive air.

What's crazy to me is how small the step-up at the very top of the hill has become. I remember years ago when I think it was DC doing the track preview for ESPN who hit it pinned on a 125 to clear it. Now guys check up way early so they can make the inside of the corner. Looks like a 65 rider could clear it with ease.
yes, the double(canyon jump) at the top of the hill has gotten easy it used to be kinda sketchy . The normal operator has kept it in but tamed down version and i think they just kind of left it.
5/24/2016 12:57pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
That jump is awesome! Why would anyone not want it for the Pros?
The Rock wrote:
Why? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/05/24/136478/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Some C riders can't turn but they cleared the 150 foot jump. This is beyond insane. You air fans just don't get it. Keep...
Why?



Some C riders can't turn but they cleared the 150 foot jump. This is beyond insane.

You air fans just don't get it. Keep liking those jumps while the sport keeps getting smaller and smaller due to injuries and cost of entry.

My whole mission is to increase participation and also maintain the health of those already competing hence my positions on safety equipment and jumps.

If this was the 70s and we had a million people buying dirt bikes it be different
Yes, we "air fans" are ruining 'merica! Screw them big jumps and such, let's go back to the good ole' days of yore, where jumps were no longer than 20 feet and riders wore leather rags for helmets!

Also...get off my lawn you damn kids!
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5/24/2016 1:47pm
I just want to say that LaRocco's Leap is WAY more badass than that Fly 150 or whatever name they call it.

Thats all Smile
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5/24/2016 2:08pm
ML512 wrote:
Loved the jump... Keep it...
I agree. its pro day not amateur day

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5/24/2016 2:08pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
That jump is awesome! Why would anyone not want it for the Pros?
The Rock wrote:
Why? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/05/24/136478/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Some C riders can't turn but they cleared the 150 foot jump. This is beyond insane. You air fans just don't get it. Keep...
Why?



Some C riders can't turn but they cleared the 150 foot jump. This is beyond insane.

You air fans just don't get it. Keep liking those jumps while the sport keeps getting smaller and smaller due to injuries and cost of entry.

My whole mission is to increase participation and also maintain the health of those already competing hence my positions on safety equipment and jumps.

If this was the 70s and we had a million people buying dirt bikes it be different
huck wrote:
James crashed on a straight part of the track...should we do away with them?
No more than Vital should do away with you Huck Tongue
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5/24/2016 2:27pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2016 2:28pm
WoodsRacer wrote:
I loved JT in the pre-race show but when he claimed it was worth 1 sec in a race to clear it vs double it I...
I loved JT in the pre-race show but when he claimed it was worth 1 sec in a race to clear it vs double it I laughed. Watching the race when a guy would clear it in front of someone doubling it almost no ground was gained. It looked cool from the downside camera angle and gave perspective of how gnarly the jump is but I cringed in the second 450 moto watching people triple it. The downside was rough and solid and most the time even if they "cleared" it they still bounced on the top of the landing.
IWreckALot wrote:
Yep, it wasn't quite a second for sure. But there was SOME time there. Just not quite a second.
WoodsRacer wrote:
Yep, almost no ground gained = SOME. Were talking like 1 to 3 tenths here, maybe.
probably because if you scrub the dbl then your back on the gas and accelerating up the last jump while the other guy is still in the air
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5/24/2016 2:30pm
Benny Bloss coming in for landing

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aeffertz wrote:
"This jump is awesome!" -Justin Bogle, pro motocross racer that had to actually ride the track. "This jump is ruining the sport!" -Joe Blow, professional bench...
"This jump is awesome!"

-Justin Bogle, pro motocross racer that had to actually ride the track.

"This jump is ruining the sport!"

-Joe Blow, professional bench racer that watches through a TV screen.

Who should I side with? Whistling
Ahhhh.....yes. Bogle is probably only the best jumper out there. Short didn't do it and we all know how much he sucks.
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5/24/2016 2:55pm
Everyone is missing the point. It's not dangerous because you are more likely to get hurt compared to a regular section, it's more dangerous because if one little thing goes wrong you can be paralyzed or dead. A choppy section usually won't lead to serious injuries (usually) but 150 ft jumps can.
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5/24/2016 3:05pm
The Rock wrote:
this ^^^^

Simply no need IMO
pretty sure the only quantities "needed" to race motoctoss are gravity, dirt (even dirt is questionable), a marked path, and a start/finish line.

Why have any jumps at all? Hell, you really dont even need corners.
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5/24/2016 4:07pm
Evel Knievel's furthest jump was 140 feet. Sure it was on a Harley but it also didn't have any bumps or ruts.
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5/24/2016 4:27pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
That jump is awesome! Why would anyone not want it for the Pros?
The Rock wrote:
Why? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/05/24/136478/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Some C riders can't turn but they cleared the 150 foot jump. This is beyond insane. You air fans just don't get it. Keep...
Why?



Some C riders can't turn but they cleared the 150 foot jump. This is beyond insane.

You air fans just don't get it. Keep liking those jumps while the sport keeps getting smaller and smaller due to injuries and cost of entry.

My whole mission is to increase participation and also maintain the health of those already competing hence my positions on safety equipment and jumps.

If this was the 70s and we had a million people buying dirt bikes it be different
BAMX wrote:
I don't think 150' jumps are smart for tracks with C class riders but that has almost nothing to do with why the sport is where...
I don't think 150' jumps are smart for tracks with C class riders but that has almost nothing to do with why the sport is where it is. Stagnant wages, a shrinking middle class and the fact that there just aren't as many places to ride are the culprits IMO.
Its not 150 feet. Its shorter on every other weekend than the pro weekend.

And on the pro weekend, its not truly 150 feet.
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5/24/2016 4:31pm
It seems like that lots of track"s have big jumps these days, go to milestone they have 135 footer on normal practice track. Lot of people is hitting it maybe even some what they should not . I need to strapp on some bigger balls to hit it, lol.
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5/24/2016 4:39pm
That section used to be a good passing point.

Now it's basically follow the leader in either class because you absolutely can or can't jump it and you know what's doing due to your line.

Too much IMO. Kinda back yourself into a corner calling it the Fly 150 tho. Can't exactly turn up next year with the fly 130.
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mumbles wrote:
I was standing by the landing of that jump all day. In the first practice for the 250 A group, guess who was the first to...
I was standing by the landing of that jump all day. In the first practice for the 250 A group, guess who was the first to try it? Austin Forkner. He tried it like three or four times and landed on top of the third jump every time. Nobody else tried in the first 250 A practice. The second 250 A practice I saw Craig try it once and a couple others I can't remember. Thought it was impressive the rookie tried it first.

In the 450 A group most guys were doing it but Bogle was styling in the first practice. Whips, nac nacs. Man he looked good. Then there was Jason Anderson during the races really moving the bike around in the air over that jump. Very impressive.

During the motos, Roczen didn't do it every lap and in the second moto Dungey only did it the last few laps. It didn't really look like it was faster because they were scrubbing the second and third jumps so much.

Most of the 450 guys were landing on the top of the third jump and bouncing off. Only one crash all day there.

I know when I can't make a table top and land on the flat, I feel like the handlebars are going to come out of my hands and I'm only about 10' foot off the ground. I can't imagine landing from the speed and height they are and hanging on.

These guys and the bikes are amazing.
AC jumped it on Press Day & he also jumped in last year. So no Folkner was not the first 250 guy to hit it.
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I think it's closer to 135 -40 on AM days . I also agree on the c-class BS. I personally know someone who races A just so he can qulifiy and race LL. Since you only get 1to 3 A riders to show up . He does not even finish a Moto yet can say he races A at lorretas . I am a B racer and know a few C riders that I struggle with. And they also race expert Just not AMA events.
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Well, whether to have it or not is one discussion.

I'm just less than impressed with the TV coverage of it. If you're gonna hype a big launcher then position a camera to showcase it from the proper angles. All they seemed to show was a look back from the landing. They did similar poor coverage of it last year.

I think if you were to hit it and actually smoothly downside it at least half way down the landing it would have to be noticeably faster. But the way so many were shorting it, then doing the big bounce off of the top it probably was not a big advantage.

5/24/2016 6:26pm
keep blowing that meat flute in the parade marching for smaller jumps
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5/24/2016 7:22pm
Once again I'm glad some of you guys don't ruin... I'm mean run the sport Laughing

The pros can handle a big jump. The Fly 150 jump is awesome. So is Laroccos Leap, Holy Schmidt, the quad they had at Colorado before they ruined the flow of the track, the start line triple at High Point, the old Big Gulp at Budds Creek. Jumps that only a few are hitting makes it special for the fans, we still talk about the Magoo Double and Suicide Mountain. There needs to be a marquee obstacle on each track that the fans can get excited about.

Like Michael said above, more injuries happen because of chop than on jumps, and the ones on jumps are normally caused when the lip breaks down to where it's dangerous. Guys are not going to huck that jump if there's a kicker in the lip, but they will still launch a 90' with a kicker lip.
5/24/2016 7:49pm
Everyone is missing the point. It's not dangerous because you are more likely to get hurt compared to a regular section, it's more dangerous because if...
Everyone is missing the point. It's not dangerous because you are more likely to get hurt compared to a regular section, it's more dangerous because if one little thing goes wrong you can be paralyzed or dead. A choppy section usually won't lead to serious injuries (usually) but 150 ft jumps can.
Do you race?
If you truly apply the "if one little thing goes wrong" idea to AMA National motocross racing...well, "that" happens DOZENS of times a lap, in practically EVERY section, every lap...
These guys are the best of the best -- AMA Pros-- they can handle it, or they can't.

Cool jump...I was WAY more sketch watching some of those huge braking bumps on the downhills. Some serious high-speed kicking and bucking going on there...I kept flashing back to ET from last year....not the same, but....

What are they calling "The Big One" (uphill triple) at GH this weekend?
If I remember right, the blind step down double coming back down is nothing to snooze on either...
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5/24/2016 8:17pm
The Rock wrote:
this ^^^^

Simply no need IMO
Katoomey wrote:
pretty sure the only quantities "needed" to race motoctoss are gravity, dirt (even dirt is questionable), a marked path, and a start/finish line. Why have any...
pretty sure the only quantities "needed" to race motoctoss are gravity, dirt (even dirt is questionable), a marked path, and a start/finish line.

Why have any jumps at all? Hell, you really dont even need corners.
thanks for contributing to the thread. I can tell you really put a lot of thought into it
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5/24/2016 8:18pm
keep blowing that meat flute in the parade marching for smaller jumps
Your parents must be so proud
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5/24/2016 8:20pm
Jumps Are a part of motorcross. 150 foot jumps don't fit that description
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5/24/2016 9:28pm
150' you are crazy. I like the half pipe.
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5/24/2016 9:59pm
after reading some of these comments , it is scary to see how pussyfied the world has become . if your so worried about getting hurt go and do something else , no one makes anyone jump it , you went them to build a tack any knobber can ride ? i would not hit that i wish i could but doesn't mean i want it removed from the track .

this is MX time grow a set
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5/24/2016 10:26pm
Jumps are too big, bikes are too fast, boobs are too awesome. If were talking about the good ole days. Maybe we should talk about the good ole days that middle aged men didn't know how to use a computer, or a cell phone
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5/25/2016 12:48am
Stupid, get rid of it. Trying to outdo red bud.
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5/25/2016 12:56am
shanes wrote:
after reading some of these comments , it is scary to see how pussyfied the world has become . if your so worried about getting hurt...
after reading some of these comments , it is scary to see how pussyfied the world has become . if your so worried about getting hurt go and do something else , no one makes anyone jump it , you went them to build a tack any knobber can ride ? i would not hit that i wish i could but doesn't mean i want it removed from the track .

this is MX time grow a set
The same people that whine about how good the good ol days were are the ones that are making today as miserable as what it is.

Motobikes are too loud
Those jumps are too high
That man's not wearing his plastic protective vest
That spectators not wearing sunscreen

Seriously.
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5/25/2016 4:53am
I like Turtles....
5/25/2016 6:11am
There aren't many sicker things than people hucking a huge jump or leap/double/triple whatever that most don't do. It adds, at least to me, definitely a lot of excitement. I remember how nuts I went when Baggett went for Larocco's Leap in 2012.

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