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What have you crammed up your ass while we are on the subject of putting stuff inside the ole body..??
Narcan is a brand name for naloxone.
She did add that the man made stuff like suboxone and methadone physically can last up to 6 months, but the typical morphine or heroin patient is only a 5 day detox.
I asked her what she would do... She says don't f with the man made substitute taper bs because it's gonna be worse in actuality in the long run. She would get a Narcan Shot to make it impossible to relapse, and CT the rest with nothing but OTC Immodium. If your doctor likes you get some Gabepentin and Clonodine. But hey what's she know. She only works with them 6 days a week 10 hours a day.
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It's narcan that they inject into the ass cheek and is effective for 28 days. She doesn't care how much or what you do because you'd need a pharmacy to get high while on that shot. If the person is serious about their recovery they usually request it even before they come in. If they're court ordered she knows right away because they'll ask for a maintenance drug like methadone or suboxone.
Suboxone not so much, it has narcan in it. Im not arguing it, just think that is interesting.
Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction anyone???
Well now all the PK addicts on this forum now have a first hand guide on how to quit. It is an MX forum I bet a good percentage are... In Pain Management ;D
Really kind of hard to wrap your brain around that.
Narcan knocks the opiate off of the receptor site and then attaches itself. You could take a ton of opiates but they have no place to attach to. That is why you have to be aware of the time issue because the narcan will start releasing from the receptors. The opiates hang around longer and start occupying the abandoned receptor sites.
One last interesting tid bit. Has anyone seen the commercials for the pill that helps relieve opiate induced constipation? Its Narcan. I bet there are some really pissed people when they find out they lose their high when trying to get rid of their constipation.
I guess a sub will do almost the same exact thing because it's binding affinity is so strong. They'll give a patient one when they come in and you'll instantly know if they used before hand because within 15 minutes they'll be in full blown WD and there's nothing they can do about it but let them ride it out.
I guess the only reason there is narcan in suboxone is to stop people from IV using it. Narcan is only active at 2MG and higher.
All this talk is depressing but interesting. I myself have broken many bones and have gone through an opiate WD while still in the ICU when I was 16. I didn't even know what it was or what was happening thank god. It felt like the worst flu I have ever had for about a week. Luckily it was only physical. I double compounded my right arm, dislocated the elbow, and shattered the wrist. They gave me two IV with these red triggers at the end like a missile launch button. One had Dilaudid the other Fetanyl. Every 15 minutes you could push it. I abused the shit out that stuff by the end of my ICU stay I had learned that I could alternate every 7 1/2 minutes.
Luckily I learned from that experience because HS came right after that and I lost a lot of friends to the OC craze, and I stated as far away as I coupd. If any of those friends are still around they're strung on heroin now because it's so cheap around here in WA I guess.
I think the most dangerous drug though from my personal use is Xanax. I took one to many of them on a flight from SEA-CHI and woke up at my Grandparents house in bed in CHI two days later with zero recollection of anything that had transpired the last two days. Nothing happened. They said I had just been acting strange and out of it but awake and alert.
That's BS because I could have killed twenty people and had zero self accountability for my actions let alone known about it.
Unfortunately it didn't cross the brain barriers and was unable to bind.
She says that's why it's so effective in Detox and Recovery because it will cure a large chunk of the physical symptoms because almost all opiate receptors in actuality are in the stomach.
" bring your asses to Virginia and run those dick suckers in person and I will be glad to give you a lesson in humility upside your heads!!! "
WTF are you talking about? We usually use our mouths to speak and eat....I guess your thing is sucking dick over where you live? Which is ok , if you're into that kinda thing.
Try taking it down a notch or two , and people might take you a little more serious. Maybe try not to come off like a know it all jackass tough guy there , ya poser.
You've seen & probably even know who I'm talking about Fro. Although who I'm speaking of is actually a nice well spoken young man. His Pops a little bit louder but he's alright too by my book!
I really didnt intend to hijack this thread.
The subox and methadone are just a replacement to me.
Had someone banging on my door at 5am a few years ago. Got my shotgun,my house is way off the road,and poked it out the door. The guy was asking for a "sub" and said his name. It was a neighbor son that i aint seen in ten years. I had no idea what he meant by sub.
I drove him home told him luck was with him that he still had his life. His dad had been doling out the subox trying to ween him.
I'll never look down on anybody who becomes addicted to anything, because of my background...and I'm really proud of those who go through what they have to go through to get sober and learn to live life on life's terms.
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....and another $25 billion marketing to the doctors so that they will push the product.
It's amazing how marketing can keep an entire culture's head buried in the sand.
It's amazing how Big Pharma manipulates American Dr.s and people in general. Non stop commercials telling us to ask our docs for specific prescription drugs. Giving out endless samples to docs to push on us.
Suboxone is way over prescribed now. It can be a great detox tool or in the worst case scenario help some heroin users stay alive and out of jail after multiple relapses but it shouldn't be used long term. I was told by several different docs to stay on it for life. I stayed on for 10 years and only that long cause it's such a bitch to get off but did. I wish I had the original pamphlet insert when I started in 2003 which stated how Suboxone was not addictive or caused any withdrawals when you stop. That turned out to be a joke.
I being from MI had the privilege of seeing Nico ride from 60's on up. His father was friends with my father and uncle. The Izzi's are good people. Praying for him and his family.
If you throw a bunch of videos and updates out there to grab people's interest, do not be surprised when they are asking questions when it is all of a sudden radio silence..
I used to build his 65s and 85s then i got hurt.
Found out he had moved to nico place to ride and take last year of high school on line. It was already to late.
Been arrested 4 times now,yesterday stealing batteries off cars in a paint and body impound lot.
I wonder how many others were turned there. I know responsibility rides with him but when 17 or 16 and the guy you're looking to is doing it ,well,you get what you have here.
What if there are 10 others like him,really pisses me off.
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