First Look: 2017 KTM Motocross and Cross-Country Line

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Motofinne 5/17/2016 12:22am
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I wonder how the traction control will work in practice?

And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch the carburetors on the 2 strokes.
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60:1 Pretty lean pre mix ratio now days.
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I'm still surprised that nobody is talking about the addition of a counterbalance system to the new 250cc and 300cc two-stroke engine. I noticed it listed in the Husky 250cc specs as well (I assume it's an identical engine).

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fox1nz wrote:
60:1 Pretty lean pre mix ratio now days.
That's what I was thinking.

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fox1nz wrote:
60:1 Pretty lean pre mix ratio now days.
For the average novice rider in the woods 60:1 is probably plenty of lubrication
For a fast rider on a sandy motocross track, in the desert, etc. that is probably not going to work out well.
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The Rock 5/17/2016 12:42am
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Motofinne wrote:
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice? And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch...
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice?

And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch the carburetors on the 2 strokes.
You say the 1 to 2 years like it's a bad thing.
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Motofinne 5/17/2016 12:47am
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Motofinne wrote:
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice? And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch...
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice?

And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch the carburetors on the 2 strokes.
The Rock wrote:
You say the 1 to 2 years like it's a bad thing.
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still the old generation model. But it makes sense that they want to make it right and not rush into it.
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Motofinne wrote:
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice? And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch...
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice?

And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch the carburetors on the 2 strokes.
That will most likely be determined by how well they can meet the next generation of Euro emission standards with carbs.
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Motofinne wrote:
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice? And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch...
I wonder how the traction control will work in practice?

And it seems like we have to wait 1 or 2 years for KTM to ditch the carburetors on the 2 strokes.
The Rock wrote:
You say the 1 to 2 years like it's a bad thing.
Motofinne wrote:
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still...
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still the old generation model. But it makes sense that they want to make it right and not rush into it.
I reckon you'll find KTM will only go to fuel injection as a last choice if they can't meet emission standards.

It will be a case of being careful what you wish for. Injected two strokes will almost certainly be heavier, more complex and more expensive than what we have today.
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fox1nz wrote:
60:1 Pretty lean pre mix ratio now days.
KTM has been recommending that ratio for 200/250/300's for at least 15 years that I know of.

Nothing too new.
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The Rock wrote:
You say the 1 to 2 years like it's a bad thing.
Motofinne wrote:
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still...
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still the old generation model. But it makes sense that they want to make it right and not rush into it.
ando wrote:
I reckon you'll find KTM will only go to fuel injection as a last choice if they can't meet emission standards. It will be a case...
I reckon you'll find KTM will only go to fuel injection as a last choice if they can't meet emission standards.

It will be a case of being careful what you wish for. Injected two strokes will almost certainly be heavier, more complex and more expensive than what we have today.
http://issuu.com/enduro21.com/docs/enduro_illustrated_15/74?e=15066372/…

The chance of them meeting the upcoming emission standards is small, so there will be fuel injected KTM and Husqvarna 2-strokes in the future. And i'm optimistic about that! The fuel injection on 4-strokes is the best thing that has happened to the MX industry for years.
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shanes 5/17/2016 1:42am
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fox1nz wrote:
60:1 Pretty lean pre mix ratio now days.
ando wrote:
KTM has been recommending that ratio for 200/250/300's for at least 15 years that I know of.

Nothing too new.
i have been running my bikes on 60:1 since 09 never had a problem

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Motofinne wrote:
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still...
No not at all, i just had really high hopes that the 2017 SX 250 would have been with fuel injection since the 2016 was still the old generation model. But it makes sense that they want to make it right and not rush into it.
ando wrote:
I reckon you'll find KTM will only go to fuel injection as a last choice if they can't meet emission standards. It will be a case...
I reckon you'll find KTM will only go to fuel injection as a last choice if they can't meet emission standards.

It will be a case of being careful what you wish for. Injected two strokes will almost certainly be heavier, more complex and more expensive than what we have today.
Motofinne wrote:
http://issuu.com/enduro21.com/docs/enduro_illustrated_15/74?e=15066372/35694990 The chance of them meeting the upcoming emission standards is small, so there will be fuel injected KTM and Husqvarna 2-strokes in the future. And...
http://issuu.com/enduro21.com/docs/enduro_illustrated_15/74?e=15066372/…

The chance of them meeting the upcoming emission standards is small, so there will be fuel injected KTM and Husqvarna 2-strokes in the future. And i'm optimistic about that! The fuel injection on 4-strokes is the best thing that has happened to the MX industry for years.
True. I just think there some people who believe that it will be a case of unbolting the carb and bolting on an injection unit and throttle body, much like it is with four strokes.
inthebadboycorner 5/17/2016 2:09am
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Yes, the counterbalancer will be a most welcome addition.

After i converted my older sx250 to a 300 it wasn't long before the tingling, sorry chainsaw buzzing of the bars had me sell the 300 kit.

My god the 300 would almost be electric like now, smooth linear vibration free power.

60.1 no problems after the jetting was corrected.
GNCC Lapper 5/17/2016 2:10am
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Wow! These bikes claimed weights are very light. I'm wondering how the performance of the air forks are in longer, multi- hour races? I'm sure there are lots of guys running them on other brands in HS and XC... Are they consistent or do they stiffen up with heat/ pressure?
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Interesting little fact:

The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs)
The KTM SX 250 lost 1 pound going to the new platform + air forks (2016 -> 2017: 211 to 210 lbs)

The air forks shave off supposedly 3.7 pounds, the new frame around 2 pounds.

That means somewhere along the way the new SX 250 engine gained 4.7 pounds over the old one...
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Fearo wrote:
Interesting little fact: The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs) The...
Interesting little fact:

The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs)
The KTM SX 250 lost 1 pound going to the new platform + air forks (2016 -> 2017: 211 to 210 lbs)

The air forks shave off supposedly 3.7 pounds, the new frame around 2 pounds.

That means somewhere along the way the new SX 250 engine gained 4.7 pounds over the old one...
Big ass counterbalancer?
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Fearo wrote:
Interesting little fact: The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs) The...
Interesting little fact:

The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs)
The KTM SX 250 lost 1 pound going to the new platform + air forks (2016 -> 2017: 211 to 210 lbs)

The air forks shave off supposedly 3.7 pounds, the new frame around 2 pounds.

That means somewhere along the way the new SX 250 engine gained 4.7 pounds over the old one...
Crush wrote:
Big ass counterbalancer?
My thoughts exactly

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EastFlorida 5/17/2016 4:36am
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P L E A S E tell me that is a typo on the 300XC..... It notes a 5 speed transmission, while the 250XC indicates a 6 speed?! I sure hope the 300XC has a 6 speed tranny....
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GNCC Lapper wrote:
Wow! These bikes claimed weights are very light. I'm wondering how the performance of the air forks are in longer, multi- hour races? I'm sure there...
Wow! These bikes claimed weights are very light. I'm wondering how the performance of the air forks are in longer, multi- hour races? I'm sure there are lots of guys running them on other brands in HS and XC... Are they consistent or do they stiffen up with heat/ pressure?
I've got a 15 KX450...I haven't noticed any real change in fork performance over the course of a desert race.

I actually really like the forks...I revalved my shock but these forks are still stock and they work really really good.
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fox1nz wrote:
60:1 Pretty lean pre mix ratio now days.
cwtoyota wrote:
For the average novice rider in the woods 60:1 is probably plenty of lubrication For a fast rider on a sandy motocross track, in the desert...
For the average novice rider in the woods 60:1 is probably plenty of lubrication
For a fast rider on a sandy motocross track, in the desert, etc. that is probably not going to work out well.
That's a ridiculous statement. KTM has been working at 60:1 for years just fine.
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Any word on MSRP's?
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My 2016 300xc says 50:1 in the manual.
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Fearo wrote:
Interesting little fact: The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs) The...
Interesting little fact:

The KTM SX 125 lost 11 pounds going to the new platform + air forks (2015 -> 2017: 203 to 192 lbs)
The KTM SX 250 lost 1 pound going to the new platform + air forks (2016 -> 2017: 211 to 210 lbs)

The air forks shave off supposedly 3.7 pounds, the new frame around 2 pounds.

That means somewhere along the way the new SX 250 engine gained 4.7 pounds over the old one...
Crush wrote:
Big ass counterbalancer?
WVUpetro2013 wrote:
My thoughts exactly
The 125 has no electric starter.
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Johnny Depp 5/17/2016 7:17am
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I don't care for the "colorways".

Give me a Factory Edition or a Husky.
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I wonder why they don't mention the electric start on the XC two strokes? And I am betting it was added to the 250sx which is why the weight loss isn't as much.
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Markopolo400 5/17/2016 7:35am
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ML any idea when they will be in show rooms? My wallet feels lighter already.
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EastFlorida wrote:
P L E A S E tell me that is a typo on the 300XC..... It notes a 5 speed transmission, while the 250XC indicates a...
P L E A S E tell me that is a typo on the 300XC..... It notes a 5 speed transmission, while the 250XC indicates a 6 speed?! I sure hope the 300XC has a 6 speed tranny....
Shaun, I am 99% sure that it is a typo. 6 speed is what I have heard.
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WVUpetro2013 5/17/2016 7:52am
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Anyone else notice the claimed weight on the 250xc is lighter than the 250sx? Something seems off about that.

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