Why Dungey will own JLaw

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Loose 1/1/2010 5:21pm
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2 points

1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate!

2. Go back and have a look at the 2nd moto at 'shougal if you've forgotten how fast JLaw is!
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Flatliner 1/1/2010 6:16pm
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Loose wrote:
2 points 1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate! 2...
2 points

1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate!

2. Go back and have a look at the 2nd moto at 'shougal if you've forgotten how fast JLaw is!
I don't dispute the guys speed, but flashes of brilliance does not a career make. I wish him all the best, but at the end of the day, I don't think he's better than dungey.
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Pdub 1/1/2010 6:22pm
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Loose wrote:
2 points 1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate! 2...
2 points

1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate!

2. Go back and have a look at the 2nd moto at 'shougal if you've forgotten how fast JLaw is!
Yep.

I'm willing to take Jason at his word. He's got a lot of catching up to do, endurance-wise, so I expect him to set fast lap times, run strong in the heats, make mains but fade a lot in the beginning of the season. If we see any contact like we saw at A1 last year, JLaw could pull a "Grant" and luck into an early win. Point is, his supercross speed on a 450 is proven.

I am also a big fan of Ryan Dungey, and it's clear "The New Man" has got a lot of advantages on his side: the original "The Man" as his manager/svengali, the powerhouse Yoshimura Rockstar Suzuki organization, one badass factory RMZ450F and all the momentum of his outstanding 2009 double championship season. Some say he doesn't have any pressure on him to challenge Stewart and Reed for the title, but I say baloney to that. He's holding a winning hand, EVERYONE expects him to play it well.

Compare and contrast. Lawrence, low expectations, low pressure. He'll roll out for timed practice pretty damn loose. Dungey will be expected set a top five time. He'll really have to focus on the job at hand and not let the pressure get to him. I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm just saying it will be tough.
UpTiTe 1/1/2010 7:28pm
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Dungey is every bit as talented as Jason, and has double the work ethic.

I really think that the people who think Jason will be in Dungeys heads are idiots. Dungey went to Europe and beat the worlds best, if those guys didnt get into his head, some knuckle head jail bird wont either.

Fact is, Dungey selfdistructed in 08, he didnt need any help from Jason. Ryan is a different rider and person then he was at 18 when he last faced Jason.

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Loose wrote:
2 points 1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate! 2...
2 points

1. If Dungey goes to the line thinking about JLaw and not JBS then he needs to rethink why he's on the gate!

2. Go back and have a look at the 2nd moto at 'shougal if you've forgotten how fast JLaw is!
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Yep. I'm willing to take Jason at his word. He's got a lot of catching up to do, endurance-wise, so I expect him to set fast...
Yep.

I'm willing to take Jason at his word. He's got a lot of catching up to do, endurance-wise, so I expect him to set fast lap times, run strong in the heats, make mains but fade a lot in the beginning of the season. If we see any contact like we saw at A1 last year, JLaw could pull a "Grant" and luck into an early win. Point is, his supercross speed on a 450 is proven.

I am also a big fan of Ryan Dungey, and it's clear "The New Man" has got a lot of advantages on his side: the original "The Man" as his manager/svengali, the powerhouse Yoshimura Rockstar Suzuki organization, one badass factory RMZ450F and all the momentum of his outstanding 2009 double championship season. Some say he doesn't have any pressure on him to challenge Stewart and Reed for the title, but I say baloney to that. He's holding a winning hand, EVERYONE expects him to play it well.

Compare and contrast. Lawrence, low expectations, low pressure. He'll roll out for timed practice pretty damn loose. Dungey will be expected set a top five time. He'll really have to focus on the job at hand and not let the pressure get to him. I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm just saying it will be tough.
Theres not a team out there expecting RD to do what only Mcgrath has been able to do. As for title contenders I would say he has the least pressure because I don't see Jlaw being one yet. If your comparing Jlaw vs Dungey pressure well sure look at the expectations..but seriously I think Dungey is just looking to see how much more work he will need. He's going to be strong top 5 speed no problem.. but where he sits in speed next to the top guys will tell him how much harder he's gonna need to work. If I could pick a pair of shoes to be in his would be my fav..pressure wise etc.
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Big E 1/1/2010 8:50pm
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Oh well-what the f*k. Might as well start with a bang! Long time lurker finally coming out of the closet, so to speak...After everyone finishes with...
Oh well-what the f*k. Might as well start with a bang! Long time lurker finally coming out of the closet, so to speak...After everyone finishes with the customary STFU NOOB welcomes, I'd like to hear who actually believes that JLaw will actually finish ahead of Dungey in any of the 17 SX rounds in 2010?

I'm far from a believer in JLaw's renewed focus on his career, but wish him all the best. He did his time and is LUCKY to still have another opportunity to enjoy support at a high level, but I have a hard time believing that a guy who did nothing more than a few push ups in the clink can go out, on literally two weeks of shaky prep, and beat a guy who does nothing but eat, sleep, and prepare to race, day in and day out. This isn't 2008, and a lot has happened since. He is in the big boy class now and there are many other guys who have increased their speed in addition to Dungey. Outside of a couple of flash in the pan performances on the big bike, do people really think he can be a threat week in and week out for 17 weeks? And, to get to the question, will he beat Dungey at one round? If so, how many rounds will he finish ahead of Dungey?

Dungey is locked and loaded. He has trained and learned from the best. He is disciplined and he is fully prepared. JLaw is not. I'm not knocking the guy for that b/c obviously it is impossible to prepare to race at the highest level while in jail.
I did not know J law was for sale
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Loose 1/1/2010 8:53pm
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I did not know J law was for sale
What?
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Devil1nNj 1/1/2010 9:29pm
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I personally don't think Jason is keeping things alive or starting controversy with RD. I think some are taking it a bit out of context. When he said he was better than RD, he was referring to the fact that RD won a Championship. Jason has beaten him in races, practice times etc. I read it as more of his disappointment in himself, saying that RD won a championship, I could have won one, if I put the work in.

We all talk smack. I doubt he is going to start messing with Ryan. I know he will ride his heart out, and hopefully in the process keep his nose clean with the AMA.

Also, take into consideration that some of the "peeps" fueling the fire for some of Jason's antics on and off the track are gone.
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creed 1/1/2010 9:36pm
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Why do people feel RD has No pressure ffs he was signed ahead of last years 2nd place getter in SX.
If RD doesn't get a podium it is a failure same as would be if Chad, Lil Jimmie, JG, RV dont podium.
I thought RD already had a podium on a 450 in SX.

J Law to be on the podium in A1.

Will be a toss up who has the most excuses or bad luck between RD and Lil Jimmie.
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motocross377 1/1/2010 9:56pm
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Devil1nNj wrote:
I personally don't think Jason is keeping things alive or starting controversy with RD. I think some are taking it a bit out of context. When...
I personally don't think Jason is keeping things alive or starting controversy with RD. I think some are taking it a bit out of context. When he said he was better than RD, he was referring to the fact that RD won a Championship. Jason has beaten him in races, practice times etc. I read it as more of his disappointment in himself, saying that RD won a championship, I could have won one, if I put the work in.

We all talk smack. I doubt he is going to start messing with Ryan. I know he will ride his heart out, and hopefully in the process keep his nose clean with the AMA.

Also, take into consideration that some of the "peeps" fueling the fire for some of Jason's antics on and off the track are gone.
100% agree. finally smoeone who actually understood what jlaw was saying. wasnt smack talking but just using RD as a reference or an example. he was actually admitting that hard work does work..
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motocross377 1/1/2010 9:57pm
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Flatliner wrote:
Hard work trumps talent every time.

Also, I'm not sure I'm on this jlaw has more talent thing than dungey.
motocross377 wrote:
well please explain what happened west coast 2008 sx.. and when was the last time dungey didnt train and came out and killed laptimes...
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over the long haul guys who train beat guys who don't. How many outdoors has jlaw won?
were talking about talent not training or consistency.
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rileymx 1/2/2010 7:12am
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who is going to be the target next year.......barcia..???....tomac...?????
every year is the same shit.......
we all know jlaw is gifted.......and we all know he as a hard time to smart up...!!!!!!!!
he did all this shit to vilopotto......until he literaly got beaten....!!!!!!!!
now he is doing it to dungey......as if he could stand a chance to rise up to the professional level that dungey is ......and gave the mxdn victory to usa.....!!!!!!!!!!!!
when will jlaw and his fans realise that he has to became a racer, put in the work, get the results......and then he might stand a chance to be up there with the best of the sport........
this shity mind games that he does to the best of his competition only makes him look fool......more so as he is downgrading it every year........it can only work against him and his fans.........
or will he be targeting the best 65 kid out there.......in a couple of years....???????????
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BobbyM 1/2/2010 7:38am
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My prediction of how it will play out. He will get a decent result in one of the first races and convince himself that he has...
My prediction of how it will play out. He will get a decent result in one of the first races and convince himself that he has no reason to train because of his superior skills. Besides in his own words in the interview training and working hard is "dorking out". After substituting hanging with his entourage and smoking spliffs for training the inevitable happens and he has a bad race. Maybe does not even make the main. Someone in the pits gets in his grill about what a complete douch he is and of course he has to retaliate. Back to jail for another stint probably less than a year again and most likely a complete suspension from the AMA. My advice...lose all the drama and go ahead and start your freestyle career now.
you should take yer own advice maybe....
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mccread 1/2/2010 7:53am
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both are pretty even on raw speed- as are all the top pros. Ryan has the complete package he will be a factor, Jason can be too his talent is the same he just needs to find the other pieces. He can but that doesn't mean he will.
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FastEddy 1/2/2010 8:40am
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I see it like this...
JLAW's job will be to make all the mains with no issues and finish every race.
Dungey's job will be to finish top 10 at every race and get a few podiums before the year is over.
neverwas 1/2/2010 9:11am
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J-Law will finish ahead of Dungey a time or two through out the season, but Dungey will finish higher in the year end points.
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Mrtf 1/2/2010 9:38am
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Dungey is every bit as talented as Jason, and has double the work ethic. I really think that the people who think Jason will be in...
Dungey is every bit as talented as Jason, and has double the work ethic.

I really think that the people who think Jason will be in Dungeys heads are idiots. Dungey went to Europe and beat the worlds best, if those guys didnt get into his head, some knuckle head jail bird wont either.

Fact is, Dungey selfdistructed in 08, he didnt need any help from Jason. Ryan is a different rider and person then he was at 18 when he last faced Jason.
yeah beat and beat, Ac crashed in the start, Jonathan barragan had a better laptime, but this was his first race back since some months back, .. for sure Dungey is a really good rider, But so is Jason Lawrence, and if we look back at the 2009 AMA Nationals, Did RD won it by himself ? ( Pourcel DNFed, southwick) ( flaggers accident, Hangtown) ( Gatemalfunction, Lakewood), just sayin

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Crash82 1/2/2010 10:00am
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All Jlaw said was if he trains as hard as Dungey he can beat him and that's a true statement. No one has seen how fast Jason is yet because he's never trained like he should, it's shaping up to be a great Season.

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