If you where DMG what....

malibuman
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3/18/2008 8:02pm
Come to Muddy Creek!
3/19/2008 12:37am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="stizzle":304i15bc]Build Kenworthys back up and bring it back dammit! :D[/quote:304i15bc]
While you're at it, bring back Saddleback.
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3/19/2008 9:00am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="guyb":3esyjyvi][quote="stizzle":3esyjyvi]Build Kenworthys back up and bring it back dammit! :D[/quote:3esyjyvi]
While you're at it, bring back Saddleback.[/quote:3esyjyvi]


And Carlsbad
3/19/2008 9:16am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="guyb":nizi289k]I think they all belong...if the schedule made a little more sense.[/quote:nizi289k]

guyb have you been to Monster Mountain?

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3/19/2008 7:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="guyb":1w2iu5cy]While you're at it, bring back Saddleback.[/quote:1w2iu5cy]
How nice would that be...
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7/20/2009 12:02am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:59am
"i think the weakest link on the schedule is Washougal... "


Washougal can be dangerous. Another racer died there recently, and there have been a rash of serious injuries.
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If I had a vote, I would go with Washougal.

I agree with those who say the track is too slick and too narrow, but that's just a matter of personal taste, I suppose. The real issue is that it sucks for spectating. Maybe some other tracks are just as bad or worse? I don't know. The only other tracks I've been to on the present schedule are GH and Hangtown, and both are MUCH better than Washougal for watching.
7/20/2009 3:24am
Which track in the Southeast is worthy of a national?
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7/20/2009 5:42am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2009 5:44am
Erik (MD) wrote:
I think you will see the Southeast getting a national and at least one favorite getting dropped. I think either Southwick, Unadilla or Washougal will be...
I think you will see the Southeast getting a national and at least one favorite getting dropped. I think either Southwick, Unadilla or Washougal will be gone.

Erik
I agree, even though they are sentimental favorites. I can't imagine attending a location that would be more hot and humid than Freestone and I am told the SE is.

I def won't go if it is an artificial course in an car track infield...would have to be King's Ranch (Kevin Kelly), or better!
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7/20/2009 5:45am
BamBamm13 wrote:
[quote="guyb":1w2iu5cy]While you're at it, bring back Saddleback.[/quote:1w2iu5cy]
How nice would that be...
Dirt was terrible!
mxdad
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7/20/2009 5:49am
Red Bud should get 2 -3 rounds like Anaheim since it has the best attendance and track.
7/20/2009 6:18am
Which track in the Southeast is worthy of a national?
Barber Motorsports park was building a new track, but the last time I was there they didn't have the sign up anymore.

If they build one, it will be more than worthy!
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7/20/2009 6:57am
The three names usually thrown around for the SE are Barber in AL ( new facility to be built), Kings Ranch in GA (operated by Bremen Kelly family) again new facility to be built down the road from current Bremen. And the third mentioned is Aonia in GA with possibly the Coombs family involvement there. Again a new track would be built but at the current Aonia location. They have a lot of land at that location.

Bottom line for the SE...build it, bring it and the fans will come.

As often is mentioned ATL SX sells out every year and is one of the top attended SX's on the schedule.
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7/20/2009 7:29am
The conversation should be about adding rounds rather than replacing current ones. I believe almost every one of the nationals are very healthy events.

We're up to like 17 Supercrosses and still just 12 Nationals, that number should be balanced out a bit closer again.
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7/20/2009 7:36am
In my opinion Gatorback is not worthy of a national the track is like concrete no lines nothing it reminds me of Lake Elsinore minus the huge jumps
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7/20/2009 8:03am
I think MX should borrow an idea from the "ball and stick" sports schedules.

Why not make a schedule that each year rotates in either a totally new track in a new region and/or brings back an oldie?

For example you could have a new track in the Southeast one year (example NC or FLA, etc) and the next year bring back a place like Kentworthy's, Broome or Gatorback, etc.

You could basically have one or two "floaters" each year in addition the the current core schedule. If need be-- to make this happen, perhaps each track might have to take an off year every 8-10 years, but not be totally eliminated off the schedule for good.

This might help breed some new competition for the rights to a host a national at a new venue, and might help encourage existing tracks to keep their venue in desirable shape (for fear of losing their spot to a new track in the region.

I liken it to the current NFL schedule where it is fun to see your hometown team get a game against a team that they havent played in a few years or the MLB inter-league schedule. It makes it fun to see the new schedule every year.

However-- I'm sure logistics, beauracracy and money would shoot this idea down quick, but it is fun to think about!
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7/20/2009 8:12am
jkkt wrote:
The three names usually thrown around for the SE are Barber in AL ( new facility to be built), Kings Ranch in GA (operated by Bremen...
The three names usually thrown around for the SE are Barber in AL ( new facility to be built), Kings Ranch in GA (operated by Bremen Kelly family) again new facility to be built down the road from current Bremen. And the third mentioned is Aonia in GA with possibly the Coombs family involvement there. Again a new track would be built but at the current Aonia location. They have a lot of land at that location.

Bottom line for the SE...build it, bring it and the fans will come.

As often is mentioned ATL SX sells out every year and is one of the top attended SX's on the schedule.
This is pretty much correct.

As for the rotating schedule, I have proposed the same idea and the problem is no one is going to put the money into the infrastructure of their facility if they're only going to have maybe two races every 5-6 years

Track quality would actually go down, not up.

I have often wondered, why not run Nationals like SX, meaning using facilities not normally used for MX...why use local tracks?
Why not scout out open pieces of land in various areas across the US, rent it for a week, bring in dirt wurx and build a temp outdoor national track and then move on. No more advantages from racing the same over years and creates a rotation. Down side is no permanent facilities, but there are trailers that make nice facilities.
Imagine finding a nice piece of land on the side of some rolling hill and roping out a track, digging a few holes and making a few jumps! Old school, baby
It'll never happen, but would be cool as shit

7/20/2009 8:18am
davis224 wrote:
drop one of the PA rounds, sorry, one's gotta go (steel city?), and drop hangtown. the ones that should be kept are red bud, GH, the...
drop one of the PA rounds, sorry, one's gotta go (steel city?), and drop hangtown. the ones that should be kept are red bud, GH, the wick, lakewood and texas. others who knows.
Both PA tracks are amazing. You can see the almost the entire Steel City track from several different places.

I would drop Southwick and then Washougal.
7/20/2009 8:31am
As much as everyone seems to bitch about the dirt at certain tracks, I don't think it's a good idea for every track to strive for that elusive "super dirt".

There needs to be a true hardpack, blue groove track, a true sand track with deep, deep sand, etc, etc.

Everyone talks about how some riders specialized in certain tracks back in the day (IE-Garret Wolsink @ Saddleback), and how exciting that was. That would have the potential to increase the overall number of winners in each class, and mix up the championship points race more.



I think it's more a question of what MX Sports will do with MX, not DMG. If you look at roadracing in the US, it seems the DMG is viewed as an entity worse than AMA Pro racing. In MX, we have it really, really good with MX Sports.
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7/20/2009 8:43am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2009 8:43am
Keep GH, Millville, Freestone, and Red Bud. Southwick can go.
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7/20/2009 8:52am
Where or were?

Someone change that for me please, thank you.
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7/20/2009 9:09am
The track in Texas seems to be the weakest in comparison to Red Bud, Millville, Glen Helen. Maybe move it to another area of the state that has some elevation and better spectator viewing.
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7/20/2009 9:11am
[quote="Racetime":qnc4z5x2]"I guess a track isn't supposed to be hard to ride......" It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on. Two...
[quote="Racetime":qnc4z5x2]"I guess a track isn't supposed to be hard to ride......"

It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on.

Two tracks need to get serious about the loss of dirt over the years and the danger in running nationals on hardpack with nothing left on top-Washougal and Unadilla. All they need to do is fix them. (At least they did move the track around a little at Unadilla this time, they really were working on it last summer.)

Some pros can't stand those tracks, but some (Villopoto) don't care.

Budds last year was like Washougal (hard and slick) for the national, and is was like Red Bud (ripped deep and soft) for the MXoN. The difference was night and day, if you ask RC.

I've had a lot of experienced pros bending my ear on those tracks that lost their dirt. They said people don't realize how much the speeds have changed since "back in the day," and when you combine much higher speeds with no dirt, it's just wrong.[/quote:qnc4z5x2]


I don't think that the guys are going any faster at Washougal today than they were down the hill at Carlsbad "back in the day". And Carlsbad was pretty hard......
ah yes they are and all the pros hated that shit hole
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7/20/2009 9:15am
Not really the SE, but would Cooperland host an event like a national?

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