The AMA is at it again, 130+ B Riders bumped to A

Typical AMA, or Ryan Holliday horseshit. I'm glad they just got my $39!
So does the C to B advancement go out the door?
If I had a kid who raced C and was bumped to B, I'd just say F#@$ it, and run C all year.

We all thought it was a free for all for a long time. Now they just put it on paper.

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[quote:chbmffw5]Ryan Holliday said the rules will be enforced next year when they make the proper changes. This year they would have to move up way to many kids that race AMA events weekly to the A class and he said the majority are just not ready. So his point to all of this is; he can't single out Baker, Wilson, Pike, ect... until the rules change this offseason.
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IF this is a true statement.....

Then when anyone wants to we will just choose what day of the month or year we plan to follow the rules. Just because there is a new point system for 2008 doesn't make it "better " then 2007, it's just different and not proven.

Rules are there, he does not have the authority to NOT enforce the rules, he does and looks to have just not provided a list. the ONLY way a rider can be NOT ADVANCED to A, is BY APPEAL. SO if results show a rider has the average, that rider can be protested and see what happens. Not a nice way to make rules be enforced but I bet we see it before the season is over. As someone said, it's not fair at all to the riders who are being moved from C. It's an ongoing battle which has to be done.

Just like the paper currency says; "In God We Trust the AMA"....

I don't feel like paying $39 for an AMA membership to race an AMA sanctioned event. So I guess I can ignore paying the $39 and race an AMA sanctioned race anyways. Who says what rules are RULES and what are NOT!!!!????

It sickens me to write that $39 check every year to the AMA. I am a hypocrite for doing it, but there are some really great track owners locally that are AMA sanctioned and I do not want to punish them for the shortcomings of the parent organization.

[quote:278xpbqj]There are quite a few kids that come to mind in this situation and I am not going to name names, but it's pretty lame that kids like Bagget, Barcia, Craig, ect... just come off 80's and have to ride against kids that have been on big bikes and in the B class for 2 + years.
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Your feeling sorry for the wrong group of kids IMHO. The ones you mentioned are PROFESSIONALS already. I personally watched Barcia hang with a top 5 A rider from last yr's LL. I am in no way bagging on any of these kids, but they are every bit as polished and fast as any 2yr B rider right now and are contenders for titles.

It shouldnt be about tenure. It should simply be about speed. If your fast enough, you should move up, plain and simple. The OEMS created this monster and until they decide to fix it, nothing is going to change. Its not about the riders best interest, its about marketing titles.

[quote="mikey":2e4d5zgc]Kinda getting off the topic, but I agree with rocrac and I think Referee needs to understand this.

Exactly rocrac. The only tracks my friends and I race at in Indiana nowadays are Podium 1 and Motoland. I ride or race at Wildcat Creek MX quite a bit just because its 15 minutes away. Its sad but there its not hard to have a private track as good or better than many of the public tracks in Indiana. Me and many other Indiana riders would rather drive 3-5 hours to Michigan (Red Bud, Log Road, Baja, Dutch) or all the way to southern Indiana to Podium 1 to practice or race. Or even go to Illinois (Mt. Carroll, Joliet, South Fork) etc. D15 needs way better management and to put a certain promoter in its place because they consistently have races on poorly maintained tracks which sucks because no one wants to go to this promoters' tracks and they take just enough riders away from other good promoters that no one prospers.[/quote:2e4d5zgc]
South Fork? how often you go there? My house is less than 30 miles from there...

This whole thing depresses me

amen.

[quote="wardy":uslv434i][quote:uslv434i]Ryan Holliday said the rules will be enforced next year when they make the proper changes. This year they would have to move up way to many kids that race AMA events weekly to the A class and he said the majority are just not ready. So his point to all of this is; he can't single out Baker, Wilson, Pike, ect... until the rules change this offseason.
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IF this is a true statement.....

Then when anyone wants to we will just choose what day of the month or year we plan to follow the rules. Just because there is a new point system for 2008 doesn't make it "better " then 2007, it's just different and not proven.

Rules are there, he does not have the authority to NOT enforce the rules, he does and looks to have just not provided a list. the ONLY way a rider can be NOT ADVANCED to A, is BY APPEAL. SO if results show a rider has the average, that rider can be protested and see what happens. Not a nice way to make rules be enforced but I bet we see it before the season is over. As someone said, it's not fair at all to the riders who are being moved from C. It's an ongoing battle which has to be done.[/quote:uslv434i]

So, what is to say that he doesn't says, "Oh, you cannot protest a rider by his points?" I was told by an AMA ref a few weeks ago that he wasn't going to accept protests on that matter, everyone just had to wait for "the list."

[quote:2gwvt1mi]I don't feel like paying $39 for an AMA membership to race an AMA sanctioned event. So I guess I can ignore paying the $39 and race an AMA sanctioned race anyways. Who says what rules are RULES and what are NOT!!!!????[/quote:2gwvt1mi]

Wish I thought of that one!

[quote:2gwvt1mi]It sickens me to write that $39 check every year to the AMA. I am a hypocrite for doing it, but there are some really great track owners locally that are AMA sanctioned and I do not want to punish them for the shortcomings of the parent organization.[/quote:2gwvt1mi]

I agree Alphy! We'd better offing tossing two twenties in the fire every year.

[quote:2gwvt1mi]This whole thing depresses me[/quote:2gwvt1mi]
Amen, amen, amen

Hopefully this isn't what to expect from the New vision.............

[quote="wardy":3iyv9oet]Hopefully this isn't what to expect from the New vision.............[/quote:3iyv9oet]

Do you think someone other than the "new vision" made this call??

I agree, this is all wishy washy BS and it needs to stop. You can ride B one year and you're done, that's my "new vision".

It's pretty sad when you go to a local race and they're are 30 kids on the line in the B class and 3 A riders. I think enforcing the rules a little better would even out the playing field and make for bigger purses for the A riders who can barley get the 5 riders they need to get paid from the OEMs.

I agree, this is all wishy washy BS and it needs to stop. You can ride B one year and you're done, that's my "new vision".

It's pretty sad when you go to a local race and they're are 30 kids on the line in the B class and 3 A riders. I think enforcing the rules a little better would even out the playing field and make for bigger purses for the A riders who can barley get the 5 riders they need to get paid from the OEMs.

Rolled over like a $2 whore how sad.

Sorry wardy another body blow to the AMA.

Okay.. from what I get out of this... no B to A riders are being moved.

I see the C-B list, are those riders being moved for sure?

I am trying to look out for our local riders.

However, I just opened the list and see a rider on the list that raced "C" class at Whitney. So ... guess the c-b aren't being moved?

And yes.. this "C" rider finished... 1st in one class, 4th and 5th in his other classes.

We have a LL qualifier this weekend, will he be moved to "B" at this race? Will he be D'qd from Whitney?

What if riders use the PROTEST route? Stating such and such rider is inelgible according to the rulebook?

Hey Wardy

Just wanted to clarify. My rants, etc... are not aimed towards you, or any of the others who have worked so hard for the "cause"!

I, for one, appreciate your efforts and the fact you're so forthcoming with info to us here at MD.

I'm sure it's frustrating as hell to deal with some of these folks!

[quote="jbomx363":2s36h9cs]Okay.. from what I get out of this... no B to A riders are being moved.
I see the C-B list, are those riders being moved for sure?
I am trying to look out for our local riders.
However, I just opened the list and see a rider on the list that raced "C" class at Whitney. So ... guess the c-b aren't being moved?
And yes.. this "C" rider finished... 1st in one class, 4th and 5th in his other classes.
We have a LL qualifier this weekend, will he be moved to "B" at this race? Will he be D'qd from Whitney?
What if riders use the PROTEST route? Stating such and such rider is inelgible according to the rulebook?[/quote:2s36h9cs]

My understanding is the C to B advancements suppose to be followed, and have been sent to all local districts by the AMA. In Minnesota, all C to B riders have been advanced.

As we all know, the C class can't get OEM support so there shouldn't be any issues with those advancements--right???

The protests should abound if anyone see's a rider in the C class that has been advanced to B, especially if he is dominating the C class.

C-B we have the national and local list posted. I would imagine it will be followed, I just wonder what happens with a protest if one is filed against a B rider who has the advancement points. NO one that i know of on the AMA side of things has the absolute power to do this. We didn't have that kind of "power" locally when we had advancement in our book, no where did we put that in there at the national level. Lets hope I get a response from monday's e mail asking for the list. If i don't, I will ask again monday and so on. If it comes back as "no one is to be advanced" then it needs explained why, and who has this athourity. Personally I ddin't work with and on advancement for 17 years for some one to just say ok not this year. Thats not right.

I don't take it personally about the AmA stuff, I still for what reason i dont' know believe AmA can be a good organization but some of these issues are just nuts.

I think for as much work as Dingman is doing, others are screwing it up in a big way. not only avancement but there are other issues that are pretty big also.

anyone know who they replaced jeff smith with on the board? he was "our" guy in there and now that is over so i am really concerned how this board is going to be. The only ones who listened to memebership are now gone..........

[quote:38x7zwaq]C-B we have the national and local list posted.[/quote:38x7zwaq]

This is where I picked up on a rider that I know of that just got back winning the "C" class, even though he's on the C-B national list.

So... I know he is racing this weekend also at the qualifier here. Will he be moved for this race? Will he be D'qd for Whitney?

I should mention... we don't have a district here. Well, it is a district, but a non existant one.

Let the protests begin...
[quote:2qqy5bui]Ryan Holliday said the rules will be enforced next year when they make the proper changes. This year they would have to move up way to many kids that race AMA events weekly to the A class and he said the majority are just not ready.[/quote:2qqy5bui]

Like I said elsewhere, if I had a kid in C who was bumped, how can they enforce that advancement, when the same criteria is involved, and not being used in B to A?

Is Holliday going to rule who and who is not "ready" for advancement in C, or is it simply not an issue unless you're a Team Green, Factory Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki or KTM "Pro" B rider?

So do they post an ammendment already to the 2008 rulebook and say... uhhh.. we jumped the gun.. these are actually the 2009 rules?

I already know of one that wants to protest a B rider as ineligible according to how the 2008 rules are written. Should be interesting to see what happens.

I've stayed out of this, but I do have one question.

If Little Jimmy signed up and raced last weekend in A because either
A) He was told to
His points said he should

Can he now move back to B after already racing in A class that one time?
Can he be protested for having competed in an A class?

The C to B list has been published.

But I doubt very seriously, that if the AMA has an A to B list, it will never see the light of day.

Dave, I believe the "rules" state, once you run A, you're officially an A rider.

Good point. It's going to get interesting,isn't it!

[quote="flarider":4opsbm2e]I've stayed out of this, but I do have one question.

If Little Jimmy signed up and raced last weekend in A because either
A) He was told to
His points said he should

Can he now move back to B after already racing in A class that one time?
Can he be protested for having competed in an A class?[/quote:4opsbm2e]NOPE! Tevin Tapia and Lowell Spanger are now screwed. Kyle Regal packed up and left when he was told he had to move up and now he's still eligable due to this nonsense.

[quote="flarider":310oomog]I've stayed out of this, but I do have one question.

If Little Jimmy signed up and raced last weekend in A because either
A) He was told to
His points said he should

Can he now move back to B after already racing in A class that one time?
Can he be protested for having competed in an A class?[/quote:310oomog]Exactly. If Holliday thought he had a shit storm on his hands before just wait.