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Its time. Its time that the participants of the sport we love so much get the basic representation they deserve. 1.) health and life insurance. This...
Its time. Its time that the participants of the sport we love so much get the basic representation they deserve.

1.) health and life insurance. This is a no brainer (see Ernesto Fonseca, Doug Henry, etc.)
2.) purse $. Its embarrising. You should be able to make a basic living or better for risking your life on a weekly basis.
3.) dedicated flaggers, if you can fly scantily clad women around the country you can do the same for a safety crew.
4.) financial planning services. Very few racers have a fraction of what they have made in their prime.

Before anyone says that it can be done, every other sport has gone through this transition. The question is who has the sand to make this happen? Its time!
Lots & Lots of anti-union folks on this site... and proud of it... surprised you haven't been called a liberal yet...
good luck with that... I'm off to work now for my non-union company... stay safe...Cool
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4/13/2016 4:37pm
I don't know how many of you guys are hockey fans, or at least familiar with the NHL's set up regarding healthcare. I think it would a be a good fit for MX.

Below is an explanation of their benefits for players.

"The Clubs shall pay the cost of a hospital, major
medical and dental plan for the players that provides benefits
agreed upon through collective bargaining between the NHLPA and
the Clubs. The nature and extent of the benefits currently
provided are set forth in writing in the plan description
distributed to each player and shall be deemed to be incorporated
into and be a part of this Agreement. The NHL shall enter into
an agreement with an insurance company providing for such
benefits, and the payment of premiums by the Clubs shall be made
directly to the insurance carrier through the League. The
administration of the Hospital, Major Medical and Dental Plan
shall be the responsibility of the NHLPA and the insurance
carrier; provided that no change shall be made in the Plan and
provided further that the Clubs and the NHLPA shall be entitled
to have competitive bids submitted by other carriers and award
made to the low bidder for any year or years during the term of
this Agreement, subject to the consent of both the Clubs and the
NHLPA, such consent not to be unreasonably withheld. Nothing in
this Section is intended to prevent participation in the Plan by
persons not covered by this Agreement at their expense or the
purchase of additional benefits at the expense of the NHLPA or
the participants in the Plan.

A retired player who has played in 160 or more NHL games
shall have the right to continue in the Hospitalization and
Medical Plan for life following his retirement without medical
evidence of insurability upon his payment of the group premium
rate, provided the player applies for coverage within 31 days of
the date the player's coverage would have otherwise terminated.
Coverage applied for later than 31 days after the player's
coverage would otherwise have terminated will only be approved
upon medical evidence of insurability and if applied for within
the first 12 months of eligibility.


A player under contract who is disabled and unable to
perform his duties as a hockey player by reason of an injury
sustained during the course of his employment as a hockey player,
including travel with his team or on business requested by his
Club, shall be entitled to receive his remaining salary due in
accordance with the terms of his contract for the remaining
stated term of his contract as long as the said disability and
inability to perform continue but in no event beyond the
expiration date of the fixed term of his contract, which fixed
term shall in no event be deemed to include any option period
related to a playing season after the League Year in which the
injury occurred. In consideration of payment of such salary, as
well as payments made by the Club to fund the Hospital, Major
Medical and Dental Plan, payments made by the Club to provide
Career Ending Disability Insurance and other consideration, the
player does hereby covenant that in the event he files a claim
under such Career Ending Disability Insurance (unless such claim
is not paid), he personally releases and will release, and will
cause his corporation if a corporate contract is involved, to
release the Club, the League, the NHLPA, all other Clubs, the
Underwriters, and the servants, employees, officers and agents of
each of the above from any and every additional obligation,
liability, claim or demand whatsoever for such salary or arising
out of such injury or the treatment thereof, including without
limitation liability in tort, and extending to all damages,
whenever arising. The Releases which a player shall sign in
order to receive benefits under the Career Ending Disability
Insurance are attached hereto as Exhibits 11 and 12. The
Releases which the NHL and the NHLPA shall sign in order for a
player to receive benefits under the Career Ending Disability
Insurance are attached as Exhibits 9 and 10. The player shall
also be required to sign an Undertaking form, a copy of which is
attached hereto as Exhibit 13. Such a player who is thus
permanently disabled from performing as a hockey player and as a
result is compelled to retire prematurely from the League and who
is entitled to benefits that had vested under the pension plan or
plans described in Article 21 hereof shall be entitled to have
additional contributions made on his behalf in accordance with
the requirements of such pension plan and Article 21 until such
contributions, together with contributions previously made on his
behalf, would represent contributions for 5 playing seasons in
the aggregate. The funds to provide such additional
contributions shall be paid from the National Hockey League
Players Emergency Fund. Any disagreement as to disability or
inability to perform shall be determined conclusively by doctors
of the Club and of the player, and, in the event said doctors are
unable to agree, by an independent doctor selected by said
doctors."
4/13/2016 5:00pm
Jake86 wrote:
I don't know how many of you guys are hockey fans, or at least familiar with the NHL's set up regarding healthcare. I think it would...
I don't know how many of you guys are hockey fans, or at least familiar with the NHL's set up regarding healthcare. I think it would a be a good fit for MX.

Below is an explanation of their benefits for players.

"The Clubs shall pay the cost of a hospital, major
medical and dental plan for the players that provides benefits
agreed upon through collective bargaining between the NHLPA and
the Clubs. The nature and extent of the benefits currently
provided are set forth in writing in the plan description
distributed to each player and shall be deemed to be incorporated
into and be a part of this Agreement. The NHL shall enter into
an agreement with an insurance company providing for such
benefits, and the payment of premiums by the Clubs shall be made
directly to the insurance carrier through the League. The
administration of the Hospital, Major Medical and Dental Plan
shall be the responsibility of the NHLPA and the insurance
carrier; provided that no change shall be made in the Plan and
provided further that the Clubs and the NHLPA shall be entitled
to have competitive bids submitted by other carriers and award
made to the low bidder for any year or years during the term of
this Agreement, subject to the consent of both the Clubs and the
NHLPA, such consent not to be unreasonably withheld. Nothing in
this Section is intended to prevent participation in the Plan by
persons not covered by this Agreement at their expense or the
purchase of additional benefits at the expense of the NHLPA or
the participants in the Plan.

A retired player who has played in 160 or more NHL games
shall have the right to continue in the Hospitalization and
Medical Plan for life following his retirement without medical
evidence of insurability upon his payment of the group premium
rate, provided the player applies for coverage within 31 days of
the date the player's coverage would have otherwise terminated.
Coverage applied for later than 31 days after the player's
coverage would otherwise have terminated will only be approved
upon medical evidence of insurability and if applied for within
the first 12 months of eligibility.


A player under contract who is disabled and unable to
perform his duties as a hockey player by reason of an injury
sustained during the course of his employment as a hockey player,
including travel with his team or on business requested by his
Club, shall be entitled to receive his remaining salary due in
accordance with the terms of his contract for the remaining
stated term of his contract as long as the said disability and
inability to perform continue but in no event beyond the
expiration date of the fixed term of his contract, which fixed
term shall in no event be deemed to include any option period
related to a playing season after the League Year in which the
injury occurred. In consideration of payment of such salary, as
well as payments made by the Club to fund the Hospital, Major
Medical and Dental Plan, payments made by the Club to provide
Career Ending Disability Insurance and other consideration, the
player does hereby covenant that in the event he files a claim
under such Career Ending Disability Insurance (unless such claim
is not paid), he personally releases and will release, and will
cause his corporation if a corporate contract is involved, to
release the Club, the League, the NHLPA, all other Clubs, the
Underwriters, and the servants, employees, officers and agents of
each of the above from any and every additional obligation,
liability, claim or demand whatsoever for such salary or arising
out of such injury or the treatment thereof, including without
limitation liability in tort, and extending to all damages,
whenever arising. The Releases which a player shall sign in
order to receive benefits under the Career Ending Disability
Insurance are attached hereto as Exhibits 11 and 12. The
Releases which the NHL and the NHLPA shall sign in order for a
player to receive benefits under the Career Ending Disability
Insurance are attached as Exhibits 9 and 10. The player shall
also be required to sign an Undertaking form, a copy of which is
attached hereto as Exhibit 13. Such a player who is thus
permanently disabled from performing as a hockey player and as a
result is compelled to retire prematurely from the League and who
is entitled to benefits that had vested under the pension plan or
plans described in Article 21 hereof shall be entitled to have
additional contributions made on his behalf in accordance with
the requirements of such pension plan and Article 21 until such
contributions, together with contributions previously made on his
behalf, would represent contributions for 5 playing seasons in
the aggregate. The funds to provide such additional
contributions shall be paid from the National Hockey League
Players Emergency Fund. Any disagreement as to disability or
inability to perform shall be determined conclusively by doctors
of the Club and of the player, and, in the event said doctors are
unable to agree, by an independent doctor selected by said
doctors."
But there are no privateer hockey players.

Which "clubs" will pay for medical care?
MMCDan
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4/13/2016 5:10pm
MR. X wrote:
I get the feeling that some people don't know what a union is or does.
This. I've negotiated a few CBA's in my time and can tell you the "company" does not have to pony up a bunch of extra cash just because the "employees" decide to organize. My starting point was always the current operating budget; the employees/union can split it up any way they want (e.g., raises, benefits, retirement, etc.) but the budget doesn't increase.

And everything in the agreement does not necessarily go in the employees favor. I was always able to include provisions that addressed issues that favored the company and placed new rules/restrictions/limitations on the employees.

Be careful what you wish for.

The Shop

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4/13/2016 5:24pm
Its time. Its time that the participants of the sport we love so much get the basic representation they deserve. 1.) health and life insurance. This...
Its time. Its time that the participants of the sport we love so much get the basic representation they deserve.

1.) health and life insurance. This is a no brainer (see Ernesto Fonseca, Doug Henry, etc.)
2.) purse $. Its embarrising. You should be able to make a basic living or better for risking your life on a weekly basis.
3.) dedicated flaggers, if you can fly scantily clad women around the country you can do the same for a safety crew.
4.) financial planning services. Very few racers have a fraction of what they have made in their prime.

Before anyone says that it can be done, every other sport has gone through this transition. The question is who has the sand to make this happen? Its time!
Regarding purse money, how about instead of an across the board increase a simple redistribution. Riders winning mains I'm sure get paid so many bonuses from gear, goggles, manufacturers, etc etc etc that they don't even notice the actual purse money. So why not a flatter curve. Less for a win and more at the lower end?
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4/13/2016 5:44pm
another thing to consider, when feld is done with SX or it does not make the revenue they want, or something appeals to them more SX will be done, I don't know how many other stadiums that they do not control are out there so they are really tied to them.
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4/13/2016 6:08pm
Matthes wrote:
There absolutely should be a riders "committee" or an organized group of team owners discussing (and maybe fighting) for things from Feld and MX Sports. There's...
There absolutely should be a riders "committee" or an organized group of team owners discussing (and maybe fighting) for things from Feld and MX Sports. There's similar groups in NASCAR, F1, CART, etc, etc. It would benefit everyone.

There's plenty of money being made by Feld, they bought SX and Monster Trucks for 200 million. You don't do that if something doesn't make money and a lot of it.

BUT the riders and teams have NEVER shown much inclination to form a group to help themselves so not sure why we, as fans and media, should care about it. You can only help those that want to help themselves.
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Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job...
Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job that meets their basic needs. Nobody is entitled to shit, if you want it go get it. If you want to race dirt bikes for a few years and have the time of your life even if your broke that's cool too.
Ha, riders aren't entitled to "shit", but the promoters are entitled to "free" entertainers, got it....
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4/13/2016 7:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2016 8:35pm
mx617 wrote:
Regarding purse money, how about instead of an across the board increase a simple redistribution. Riders winning mains I'm sure get paid so many bonuses from...
Regarding purse money, how about instead of an across the board increase a simple redistribution. Riders winning mains I'm sure get paid so many bonuses from gear, goggles, manufacturers, etc etc etc that they don't even notice the actual purse money. So why not a flatter curve. Less for a win and more at the lower end?
I've been thinking this exact same thing myself. Maybe a flat fee for everyone making the main and night show. Here's the payout from A1 this year. A flat fee wouldn't do a whole lot, promoters would still have to kick in a little more to make a significant difference.

http://motocross.transworld.net/news/2016-anaheim-one-sx-purse-payout/#…

Total payout is $121,080

450 main - $66950
450 lcq - 18847
250 main - 24,915
259 lcq - 10,368

Just spitballing here, but maybe something like this would be kinda cool. Have them almost double the payout to $228,000

450 main - 110,000 , $5000 flat fee
450 lcq - 34,000 , 2000 flat fee
250 main 66,000, 3000 flat fee
250 lcq - 18,000 1000 flat fee



Berm
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Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job...
Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job that meets their basic needs. Nobody is entitled to shit, if you want it go get it. If you want to race dirt bikes for a few years and have the time of your life even if your broke that's cool too.
yak651 wrote:
Ha, riders aren't entitled to "shit", but the promoters are entitled to "free" entertainers, got it....
They aren't free entertainers. They are there by choice. That choice is a result of the benefits provided by Feld. Those benefits provided by Feld are a cost paid by Feld to secure the "entertainers".
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4/13/2016 8:51pm
How about this?

The AMA puts together a web portal site for the AMA licensed pro riders to login and there these riders can vote for their board members. Then the board members are the ones that then go and represent the riders when needed.


The reason for the AMA doing it is they get paid already by us members and they are the ones who knows who the licensed pro riders are in the US. The AMA would not be involved other than putting the web site ability together so that the riders can then vote for their own board members and vote on other issues as needed. So the riders would be representing themselves. Its quick and easy.
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4/13/2016 9:12pm
I don't think you people understand that a players union is designed to protect themselves not from the league (or Feld) but from their employers, meaning the people that their employed by. The problem is that the people that are paying their saleies are the ones who are getting the short end of the stick. If the teams who are spending all the money to go racing were getting financially taken care of they could take care of the riders.

SX is not like rodeo or golf, it's a team sport and the team is the anchor and vehicle for the riders to have more and better equality, but the teams are only going to be able to do that when they are getting some kind of return, which of course they are not.

You want riders to have more, it must come from their employer which is impossible in the current structure.
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I see not a chance in hell of it happening.
mx617
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4/13/2016 9:50pm
mx617 wrote:
Regarding purse money, how about instead of an across the board increase a simple redistribution. Riders winning mains I'm sure get paid so many bonuses from...
Regarding purse money, how about instead of an across the board increase a simple redistribution. Riders winning mains I'm sure get paid so many bonuses from gear, goggles, manufacturers, etc etc etc that they don't even notice the actual purse money. So why not a flatter curve. Less for a win and more at the lower end?
Sully22 wrote:
I've been thinking this exact same thing myself. Maybe a flat fee for everyone making the main and night show. Here's the payout from A1 this...
I've been thinking this exact same thing myself. Maybe a flat fee for everyone making the main and night show. Here's the payout from A1 this year. A flat fee wouldn't do a whole lot, promoters would still have to kick in a little more to make a significant difference.

http://motocross.transworld.net/news/2016-anaheim-one-sx-purse-payout/#…

Total payout is $121,080

450 main - $66950
450 lcq - 18847
250 main - 24,915
259 lcq - 10,368

Just spitballing here, but maybe something like this would be kinda cool. Have them almost double the payout to $228,000

450 main - 110,000 , $5000 flat fee
450 lcq - 34,000 , 2000 flat fee
250 main 66,000, 3000 flat fee
250 lcq - 18,000 1000 flat fee



I'm not sure about just a flat fee but if you changed first place to $6000 an second to $5000 that gives you an extra $7000 to spread out. If you shifted that money to fourth down, that's an extra $370 for each main event rider. I'm sure Dungey won't notice the missing six grand, but for Lawson bopping or kyle chisholm $370*17races is an extra $6000 over the course of the season. And if feld added another $7000 to the purse and did the same, now we're making some progress for the privateers.
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GuyB wrote:
I see not a chance in hell of it happening.
Really, why not?
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4/13/2016 11:19pm
mxpro252 wrote:
2) This reminds me of the women's soccer lawsuit for equal pay as the men. This is entertainment, earnings are mostly based on what people are...
2) This reminds me of the women's soccer lawsuit for equal pay as the men. This is entertainment, earnings are mostly based on what people are willing to pay to spectate. If there’s an argument that promoters should be paying the riders more, an assumption is being made that promoters have been experiencing consecutive years of millions in net income that they could hand out. I highly doubt that’s the case but if it is, I think we’d see another promoter trying to start a similar series or event to get a piece of all those profits, giving the riders options. That's the idea behind a free market.

Basically I’m saying where the hell is this extra money going to come from?
kkawboy14 wrote:
How much do you think Feld paid for sx? Why?

He didn't purchase it as a loss leader to Monster Trucks
Feld bought Live Nation Motorsports (nee Clear Channel, SFX, Pace Motorsports, etc) for the monster truck shows / business. Pretty sure that the "sport" of Supercross was a cute afterthought to the deal.

As Matthes said, the price was around $200mm, and for which Monster trucks probably make up about 3/4 of that valuation.
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4/13/2016 11:31pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2016 11:33pm
I agree that there should be a union, but I would stop short at that the suggestion that the promoters should have to provide health and life insurance. That's a slippery slope; promoters would then have to provide insurance for any rider that set foot on their tracks.

I think they should instead focus on track safety, officiating, points structures, purse money, etc. The riders and teams need more control, and unions are a good way to do that. As an example, if the major players said that they disliked a chase format and would not race in such a series, the promoters would change their tune very quickly.
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Moto810 wrote:
How about this? The AMA puts together a web portal site for the AMA licensed pro riders to login and there these riders can vote for...
How about this?

The AMA puts together a web portal site for the AMA licensed pro riders to login and there these riders can vote for their board members. Then the board members are the ones that then go and represent the riders when needed.


The reason for the AMA doing it is they get paid already by us members and they are the ones who knows who the licensed pro riders are in the US. The AMA would not be involved other than putting the web site ability together so that the riders can then vote for their own board members and vote on other issues as needed. So the riders would be representing themselves. Its quick and easy.
The ama is nothing more than an over paid referee. Actually over paid by the riders!
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mxpro252 wrote:
2) This reminds me of the women's soccer lawsuit for equal pay as the men. This is entertainment, earnings are mostly based on what people are...
2) This reminds me of the women's soccer lawsuit for equal pay as the men. This is entertainment, earnings are mostly based on what people are willing to pay to spectate. If there’s an argument that promoters should be paying the riders more, an assumption is being made that promoters have been experiencing consecutive years of millions in net income that they could hand out. I highly doubt that’s the case but if it is, I think we’d see another promoter trying to start a similar series or event to get a piece of all those profits, giving the riders options. That's the idea behind a free market.

Basically I’m saying where the hell is this extra money going to come from?
kkawboy14 wrote:
How much do you think Feld paid for sx? Why?

He didn't purchase it as a loss leader to Monster Trucks
mxnick wrote:
Feld bought Live Nation Motorsports (nee Clear Channel, SFX, Pace Motorsports, etc) for the monster truck shows / business. Pretty sure that the "sport" of Supercross...
Feld bought Live Nation Motorsports (nee Clear Channel, SFX, Pace Motorsports, etc) for the monster truck shows / business. Pretty sure that the "sport" of Supercross was a cute afterthought to the deal.

As Matthes said, the price was around $200mm, and for which Monster trucks probably make up about 3/4 of that valuation.
Well there you go.....Feld paid $50 million to lose money in sx, by your numbers.

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Matthes wrote:
There absolutely should be a riders "committee" or an organized group of team owners discussing (and maybe fighting) for things from Feld and MX Sports. There's...
There absolutely should be a riders "committee" or an organized group of team owners discussing (and maybe fighting) for things from Feld and MX Sports. There's similar groups in NASCAR, F1, CART, etc, etc. It would benefit everyone.

There's plenty of money being made by Feld, they bought SX and Monster Trucks for 200 million. You don't do that if something doesn't make money and a lot of it.

BUT the riders and teams have NEVER shown much inclination to form a group to help themselves so not sure why we, as fans and media, should care about it. You can only help those that want to help themselves.
Perfect post.

If the riders and the teams doesn't even try to make something happen, then don't complain when you feel like you are not treated fairly.

Don't complain about how you don't make enough money as a 15th or 18th in the 450 class, don't complain if you get a penalty for something that you feel didn't happen.

The riders and the teams are the only ones who could do something about the current situation.
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4/14/2016 1:34am Edited Date/Time 4/14/2016 1:39am
I want a Vital MX posters' union with full medical. I fear I have CTE from repetitive face palms.

But seriously folks you will learn of my success with cold fusion before you will read a riders' union announcement.
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Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job...
Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job that meets their basic needs. Nobody is entitled to shit, if you want it go get it. If you want to race dirt bikes for a few years and have the time of your life even if your broke that's cool too.
yak651 wrote:
Ha, riders aren't entitled to "shit", but the promoters are entitled to "free" entertainers, got it....
Yea I was in the middle of writing a response when I realized I would be better off talking to a wall.

I guess AMA is going to have to cut it for now.
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Matthes wrote:
There absolutely should be a riders "committee" or an organized group of team owners discussing (and maybe fighting) for things from Feld and MX Sports. There's...
There absolutely should be a riders "committee" or an organized group of team owners discussing (and maybe fighting) for things from Feld and MX Sports. There's similar groups in NASCAR, F1, CART, etc, etc. It would benefit everyone.

There's plenty of money being made by Feld, they bought SX and Monster Trucks for 200 million. You don't do that if something doesn't make money and a lot of it.

BUT the riders and teams have NEVER shown much inclination to form a group to help themselves so not sure why we, as fans and media, should care about it. You can only help those that want to help themselves.
Motofinne wrote:
Perfect post. If the riders and the teams doesn't even try to make something happen, then don't complain when you feel like you are not treated...
Perfect post.

If the riders and the teams doesn't even try to make something happen, then don't complain when you feel like you are not treated fairly.

Don't complain about how you don't make enough money as a 15th or 18th in the 450 class, don't complain if you get a penalty for something that you feel didn't happen.

The riders and the teams are the only ones who could do something about the current situation.
Exactly.....Matthes is spot on!

What's funny is in this and many other things people here get so caught up in a word, "union" "rake" "ama", instead of realizing it's just about ideas
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Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job...
Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job that meets their basic needs. Nobody is entitled to shit, if you want it go get it. If you want to race dirt bikes for a few years and have the time of your life even if your broke that's cool too.
Wow your bitter cause you didn't make it.. It's a sport! If you think riders who entertain you. Spend there whole young adult life dedicated to being a rider making the night show to earn a living. If these guys aren't entitled to make a decent amount of money go learn a trade.. You my friend are just a Dxxx. I Was one of those guys and yes I finally decided my dept had reached enough and went to work.. Do I feel like I was robbed of a decent living no but the powers to be we're making millions of dollars off us.. Are we entitled to some hell yes we put in countless hours risk walking and even death to do what we love.. Oldandslow1 you obviously never truly understand the trade they have already have. There's only a small amount who get there..
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4/14/2016 7:16am
Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job...
Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job that meets their basic needs. Nobody is entitled to shit, if you want it go get it. If you want to race dirt bikes for a few years and have the time of your life even if your broke that's cool too.
yak651 wrote:
Ha, riders aren't entitled to "shit", but the promoters are entitled to "free" entertainers, got it....
Berm wrote:
They aren't free entertainers. They are there by choice. That choice is a result of the benefits provided by Feld. Those benefits provided by Feld are...
They aren't free entertainers. They are there by choice. That choice is a result of the benefits provided by Feld. Those benefits provided by Feld are a cost paid by Feld to secure the "entertainers".
Your right they aren't free, they actually pay to be there!
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4/14/2016 7:18am

Screw unions.

Every rider knows going in what the odds are.
I tried, didn't make it so what. Move on.
4/14/2016 7:23am Edited Date/Time 4/14/2016 7:33am
Unions are bullshit!!! Bunch or propaganda

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4/14/2016 10:03am
kkawboy14 wrote:
How much do you think Feld paid for sx? Why?

He didn't purchase it as a loss leader to Monster Trucks
mxnick wrote:
Feld bought Live Nation Motorsports (nee Clear Channel, SFX, Pace Motorsports, etc) for the monster truck shows / business. Pretty sure that the "sport" of Supercross...
Feld bought Live Nation Motorsports (nee Clear Channel, SFX, Pace Motorsports, etc) for the monster truck shows / business. Pretty sure that the "sport" of Supercross was a cute afterthought to the deal.

As Matthes said, the price was around $200mm, and for which Monster trucks probably make up about 3/4 of that valuation.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Well there you go.....Feld paid $50 million to lose money in sx, by your numbers.

kkawboy, I did not suggest anything about Feld losing money on Supercross. If you are saying that, you are putting words in my mouth.

If you understand how business is valued and how corporate M&A works, this should shed some light on how Feld valued this particular asset.
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4/14/2016 12:19pm
found a website that is starting up pmxra.com
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4/14/2016 12:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/14/2016 12:47pm
DPR250R wrote:
Another example of the "everyone gets a trophy" generation. First the Chase... now this. What has the world come to? Next thing you know child labor...
Another example of the "everyone gets a trophy" generation. First the Chase... now this.

What has the world come to? Next thing you know child labor will be outlawed.
It's strange that we're in a moto forum where you would think people would support the growth of the sport by supporting the racers.....but then you have people making comments like the above....and below.

"Lots of jobs in the world, if the riders are unhappy with what they make I suggest they gain a skill that will land a job that meets their basic needs. Nobody is entitled to shit, if you want it go get it. If you want to race dirt bikes for a few years and have the time of your life even if your broke that's cool too." - oldandslow1

Just because I’m a motocross fan why should I care about the wellbeing of the racers who bring me such awesome entertainment? Afterall, it’s the promoters who supply the monster girls!

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