YZ125 1979 Race build

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Yeah, the LOP YZ125 pic that I posted on PG1 shows a WB sticker on the rez. Guess I'll change the sticker over to be period correct lol!

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Here is one of the wb shocks.
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That's definitely it. Thanks! Only problem is I don't have a cool WB sticker that says "Monoshocks" underneath. Actually haven't seen one before, but now I see it in the old school picture too.
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I dug out the old RF Boost Bottle out of the spare parts bin and cleaned it up a bit. Thanks to Fastguystuff for making these decals too!


I also roughed in the Boyesen ports a little more, blended the transfers and re-aimed the secondary transfers. Almost done with the hard part.


34mm Mik from an '82 and a YZ400D reed cage blended with a little epoxy should make a difference... I could have gone with a MT or Rad Valve, but I want to stay period correct. I will use Boyesen dual stage reeds. Anyone have a suggestion whether to keep the reed stops or eliminate them?

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3/12/2015 6:21pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2015 6:27pm

Mossbarger is making reed blocks if you are going for period correct
I think the price is pretty reasonable too
That's pretty cool you are rocking a boost bottle
How are you connecting it? Back in the day we had no problem hacking right into the reed boot with a wad of silicone. 30 years later I'd still do it but I'd sure be a lot cleaner about it
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All of my boyseen reed instructions said no stoppers. If you do choose to run stoppers drill some large holes in the stoppers as it helps the reeds close faster during the exhaust stroke.
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450exc115 wrote:
All of my boyseen reed instructions said no stoppers. If you do choose to run stoppers drill some large holes in the stoppers as it helps...
All of my boyseen reed instructions said no stoppers. If you do choose to run stoppers drill some large holes in the stoppers as it helps the reeds close faster during the exhaust stroke.
I'm not following. Why drill holes with not using stoppers? And where do you drill them?
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450exc115 wrote:
All of my boyseen reed instructions said no stoppers. If you do choose to run stoppers drill some large holes in the stoppers as it helps...
All of my boyseen reed instructions said no stoppers. If you do choose to run stoppers drill some large holes in the stoppers as it helps the reeds close faster during the exhaust stroke.
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I'm not following. Why drill holes with not using stoppers? And where do you drill them?
I fixed my post to clarify were to put the holes. The pressure pulse has to go around the stoppers to close the reeds. Having holes allows the pulse to get there faster. Smile
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I did drill the reed stops. Having no access to a mill at the time, they came out OK, but not perfect.

I worry about the reeds opening too far and fraying from hitting the insides of the reed cavity. I guess I'll have to see what it looks like when it all goes together.

The holes not only allow the reeds to close faster, they allow them to open farther and faster than without the holes drilled. It eliminates the air pillow that gets trapped between the stops and the reeds, but also lets air between them so they don't get vacuumed open, sort of.... Hard to explain.

Anyway, I will get better pics and show some finishing work when I get the time. I'm also considering a 1/4" reed spacer so the reed block doesn't block the boost port.

I will turn a spigot from 6061-T6 and install it into the boot. Probably seal it with black silicone, maybe even turn threads and add a nut to secure it. I use an ice cube to smooth the silicone since water won't hurt the RTV. Works great.
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I'm rebuilding the stock shock on my 79 yz 400 and was hoping you guys could answer a few questions.

A service bulletin I found on the 79 yz 125 says 15 kg cm 2 for pressure. This converts to about 213 psi. Does that sound right?

Do I fill all the way with oil like a new shock...or is there a specific amount?

Thanks
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What is the configuration of the shock? Does it have an external reservoir? The stock shock has a separator piston deep down in the body and you need to make sure it isn't bottomed out at full stroke. I don't remember what is recommended but you should have the seperator piston at least 2" from the end with the shock full of oil and fully collapsed. 200 psi is what I run.
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450exc115 wrote:
What is the configuration of the shock? Does it have an external reservoir? The stock shock has a separator piston deep down in the body and...
What is the configuration of the shock? Does it have an external reservoir? The stock shock has a separator piston deep down in the body and you need to make sure it isn't bottomed out at full stroke. I don't remember what is recommended but you should have the seperator piston at least 2" from the end with the shock full of oil and fully collapsed. 200 psi is what I run.
It's stock. 100% the way it came from Japan.

It has not had a remote reservoir added.
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175 - 200 psi should be good. As was mentioned, make sure the separator piston has about 2" of space above it for the nitrogen to compress. If you purge all the air out of it / fill it up completely, it won't move.
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Thanks for the information and quick replies

The 37 year old oil didn't look too good!

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That drain goes into a waste oil bucket, right? wink wink.

I've seen worse oil, but that's pretty ugly. Are you revalving the shock?
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For now I'm just doing a oil change and will possibly get some heavier springs from racetech.

My other bikes are more of a priority to me and I only ride the yz a few times a year. I know I could wrap a bunch of money into the suspension but I think I'll just start with some fresh oil!
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Tdub13 wrote:
I did drill the reed stops. Having no access to a mill at the time, they came out OK, but not perfect. I worry about the...
I did drill the reed stops. Having no access to a mill at the time, they came out OK, but not perfect.

I worry about the reeds opening too far and fraying from hitting the insides of the reed cavity. I guess I'll have to see what it looks like when it all goes together.

The holes not only allow the reeds to close faster, they allow them to open farther and faster than without the holes drilled. It eliminates the air pillow that gets trapped between the stops and the reeds, but also lets air between them so they don't get vacuumed open, sort of.... Hard to explain.

Anyway, I will get better pics and show some finishing work when I get the time. I'm also considering a 1/4" reed spacer so the reed block doesn't block the boost port.

I will turn a spigot from 6061-T6 and install it into the boot. Probably seal it with black silicone, maybe even turn threads and add a nut to secure it. I use an ice cube to smooth the silicone since water won't hurt the RTV. Works great.
Hey Tdub, I'd like to see the photos how you modified the intake stuff. Sounds interesting!
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New top end has been on the back burner for a while now. I ditched the modified YZ250 re-cast head idea. Might play around with this Sachs / Penton head if it runs hot. All I've done so-far is to have the cylinder welded so I could create boyesen ports, fit a YZ400 reed cage, and perform FOX '79 national porting specs with a little modern twist. Here's a teaser picture.
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I'm diggin' the work you did on the boost - boost ports. I wonder if it worth the effort?
I wonder If so I could do similar with the '83 YZ100 cylinder.
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Well, I like playing with ports and engine building, so my time may be different than yours, in terms of "worth it".
But yeah, I did the same on a YZ80 cylinder and it made a difference even with small Boyesen ports. The size of the port is limited by the stud location and layout, plus you don't want to port until you see daylingt lol! There is such thing as too big.

These ports are an evolutionary thing. Invented in the late 70's by Eyvind Boyesen and used by Honda I believe first. It took Yamaha a while to catch on, or rent the patent (early-mid 80's). The ports help pipe effect and performance overall.
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wpark89 wrote:
Thanks for the information and quick replies The 37 year old oil didn't look too good![img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/30/129832/s1200_20160329_125247.jpg[/img]
Thanks for the information and quick replies

The 37 year old oil didn't look too good!

did your shock have the double seal head clips ? If so how did you remove the first clip?
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A press is about the best method.

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I just had this done to my 85 YZ 125-N Model and that's how my friend did it. What an absolute pain in the white ass .He put very small relief cuts on top of the upper ring so as to be able to get a pick tool under the clip . Again really not fun .When reassembling mine we are going to leave out the second ring under the head because the Nitrogen pressure will keep the new head from going into the body.
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That sounds familiar. It's been a while, but I think I might have had to leave one retaining ring out as well.
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450exc115 wrote:
A press is about the best method. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/01/130040/s1200_20141230_215107.jpg[/img]
A press is about the best method.

there 2 ways to get past the double clipped seal heads.....press to expose the first clip.....or grinding with a tool on the seal head ( read dremel ) to expose the clip enough to get to it and pull it out with a pair of pliers.......if you ask race tech they will send you the instructions

I myself would not use the press method......a race tech dealer ( who shall remain nameless at the moment ) pressed on my shock and broke the lower spring mount ....the dremel method is just as fast and much safer

that nasty 30 yr old oil coming out of the shock sure does SMELL
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Tdub13 wrote:
That sounds familiar. It's been a while, but I think I might have had to leave one retaining ring out as well.
Unless you replace the seal head with a modern one you won't be able to leave out the bottom ring because that's what holds the OEM stack together.
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if you do ever remove the stock ancient seal head stack...........you will wonder how the hell did it even work !!! replace it and dont ask anymore questions
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if you do ever remove the stock ancient seal head stack...........you will wonder how the hell did it even work !!! replace it and dont ask...
if you do ever remove the stock ancient seal head stack...........you will wonder how the hell did it even work !!! replace it and dont ask anymore questions
LOL!!! Yes, rumor is that even though All-Balls makes great seals, they have a lot more drag than the RateTech seals. Either way, just replace the seal and be done. Smile
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I had a little more time to play in the shop. Turned a spigot for the carb boot and installed that. Also noticed that the boost bottle spigot at 90* doesn't really want to fit on the bike, so I cut and laser welded it back on at an angle.

I wasn't going to change the port timing at all, but after cleaning up all the garbage in there, I figured I'd at least map it to see how bad they really are. Most of the ugliness is from the bad job I did in the rubbing and tracing, not the actual port clean up. Need to re-do for a more accurate map. One step forward, two steps back!

Does anyone know what the rod length is on this bike?



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Couple crappy Pics, sorry..

Got the Cylinder all set, 34mm Mikuni, 6-petal YZ400D reed cage and a modified '74 Penton ISDT125 radial head, and added the RF boost bottle.

Gained a bit in the mid, but top end just shreds. Never had a 125 wheelie up a sand hill in 3rd! New head kept everything nice and cool. #300 main.



Had the head welded up by Leominster Micro Welding, so I could relocate the plug and stud holes. They're the best welders I've ever worked with. Amazing.



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