Say what you want about the Chase Format....

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What's the problem with trying it out? If it doesn't work go back to the original format. I swear some act like they're taking your dog out back and shooting it
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Dezerted wrote:
What's the problem with trying it out? If it doesn't work go back to the original format. I swear some act like they're taking your dog...
What's the problem with trying it out? If it doesn't work go back to the original format. I swear some act like they're taking your dog out back and shooting it
That's pretty much how it feels. Something I've cared about for over 40 years being reduced to something with no value. They will never admit it was a mistake. They will declare it a success, force the riders to say how much they like it and tell us what they want us to think. Do you think they will show any tweets negative about this on the show?

And don't give me the, "you just don't like change crap", seen plenty of changes over the years. Some I liked some I didn't, nothing even approaches this.
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JPT wrote:
That's pretty much how it feels. Something I've cared about for over 40 years being reduced to something with no value. They will never admit it...
That's pretty much how it feels. Something I've cared about for over 40 years being reduced to something with no value. They will never admit it was a mistake. They will declare it a success, force the riders to say how much they like it and tell us what they want us to think. Do you think they will show any tweets negative about this on the show?

And don't give me the, "you just don't like change crap", seen plenty of changes over the years. Some I liked some I didn't, nothing even approaches this.
Firstly you act like its already decided, there has not been one announcement about it only conjecture, even if it happens we have no idea how they will implement it yet you and others come in here and say its crap....how the hell can you say its crap when you dont know the rules, you dont how how its going to play out and think oh its like Nascar

The only people condemning this idea are the people on vital, the industry/riders havent said anything about it...maybe because they have some sense?
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3/25/2016 11:38pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2016 11:38pm
I really hope it doesn't come down to introducing a points chase.....

Other things need to change first, Bike displacement, limiting the advantages factory race teams have in terms of equipment, track development and design, points scoring and payout, purse payout, balancing the classes or maybe even introducing A and B mains to separate the field by their respective skill levels ( reducing lappers, letting the best riders race cleanly for the championship ) Changing race formats, qualifying formats, ( 2 mains, longer mains etc )

I'd love to see any of that before a points chase which discredits the value and absolute undeniable prestige of a season long championship.

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Dezerted wrote:
What's the problem with trying it out? If it doesn't work go back to the original format. I swear some act like they're taking your dog...
What's the problem with trying it out? If it doesn't work go back to the original format. I swear some act like they're taking your dog out back and shooting it
JPT wrote:
That's pretty much how it feels. Something I've cared about for over 40 years being reduced to something with no value. They will never admit it...
That's pretty much how it feels. Something I've cared about for over 40 years being reduced to something with no value. They will never admit it was a mistake. They will declare it a success, force the riders to say how much they like it and tell us what they want us to think. Do you think they will show any tweets negative about this on the show?

And don't give me the, "you just don't like change crap", seen plenty of changes over the years. Some I liked some I didn't, nothing even approaches this.
Little dramatic for me....
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1 race of the chase...all holeshot buttons are illegal Whistling
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I don't think a chase format will happen as the FIM will not allow it because it is a World Championship.
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MudPup545 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/24/129236/s1200_download.jpg[/img] Chase format idea, sell it anyway you want. It's a horrible idea.


Chase format idea, sell it anyway you want. It's a horrible idea.
And It's Referee Ricky Carmichael with the call.
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kiwifan wrote:
Firstly you act like its already decided, there has not been one announcement about it only conjecture, even if it happens we have no idea how...
Firstly you act like its already decided, there has not been one announcement about it only conjecture, even if it happens we have no idea how they will implement it yet you and others come in here and say its crap....how the hell can you say its crap when you dont know the rules, you dont how how its going to play out and think oh its like Nascar

The only people condemning this idea are the people on vital, the industry/riders havent said anything about it...maybe because they have some sense?
I knew it was decided when they had Bowers and the other exAX guys doing there little blurb about how great the chasE was. Bowers saying he didn't like the idea at first yada, yada.

You mentioned the industry people. With all due respect, the only reason any professional sport exists is because people are willing to pay to see it done. Everything else feeds off of that. Endorsement, development, advertising, everything. The only reason a championship of any kind exists is because the fans believe it does, once they quit caring, no championship.

Look what happened to AMA Road Racing. It used to be amazing, the place where World Champions started. Then Daytona Sports Group got ahold of it. Moved to make it like NASCAR. Tried to make 600 their premier class, no real Superbikes. All in the name of "Growing the sport". Get what, the fans said "meh" and quit caring about Championships that didn't represent the pinnacle of RR in the US. New management now, trying to return it to what it was but may be too late.

When big entities like DSG and Feld make these decisions they are doing it for themselves, not the sport. It may be pissing in the wind but people have to say that despite all the hype and Monster Girls flashing their cleavage while doing 10 second spots about "the chasE" ( that's coming, stamp it") it isn't just fricken great. Some people have attention spans that actually last a whole season and want their Champions that do the same.
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The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big of a joke this format is! If a rider can not win a single SX main in his career he does not deserve the championship.
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MudPup545 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/24/129236/s1200_download.jpg[/img] Chase format idea, sell it anyway you want. It's a horrible idea.


Chase format idea, sell it anyway you want. It's a horrible idea.
Devils advocate:

Welcome to the NFL playoffs. Oh wait, never mind there are no playoffs Patriots are champs at 15-1.
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Mit12 wrote:
The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big...
The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big of a joke this format is! If a rider can not win a single SX main in his career he does not deserve the championship.
That argument is not valid...

The mindset is not the same when Brayton wasn't a blip on their radar
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Chase format: Think Jimmy Johnson and Chad Knaus. If you don't know about NASCAR history, this 7 Time champ duo concentrated their testing efforts mainly on chase tracks, when the chase started it was team 48 to the top, had their shit together.

Dungey, Roger, KTM and Aldon's facility would kill this format.
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Mit12 wrote:
The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big...
The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big of a joke this format is! If a rider can not win a single SX main in his career he does not deserve the championship.
Also when Reed won like 6 races at the end of the season and still lost to Carmichael.
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3/26/2016 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 3/26/2016 2:04pm
Markee wrote:
Chase format: Think Jimmy Johnson and Chad Knaus. If you don't know about NASCAR history, this 7 Time champ duo concentrated their testing efforts mainly on...
Chase format: Think Jimmy Johnson and Chad Knaus. If you don't know about NASCAR history, this 7 Time champ duo concentrated their testing efforts mainly on chase tracks, when the chase started it was team 48 to the top, had their shit together.

Dungey, Roger, KTM and Aldon's facility would kill this format.
Don't forget team tactics. BTO Sports KTM is going to run interference.

Bummer for the #1 riders on other teams. Cooper Webb, KROC, and Eli. They don't have the support structure to "compete" in reality supercross.
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Step 1: Implement chase format
Step 2: Drastically cut manufacturing cost by only offering one full size mx bike (450). Also save face with less 250f engines grenading publicly
Step 3: Change format to "open" and "restrictor plate"
Step 4: Force American public to buy into the nonsense, restrictor plates installed at the dealership and given to 12 year old kids
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Ted722 wrote:
Don't forget team tactics. BTO Sports KTM is going to run interference. Bummer for the #1 riders on other teams. Cooper Webb, KROC, and Eli. They...
Don't forget team tactics. BTO Sports KTM is going to run interference.

Bummer for the #1 riders on other teams. Cooper Webb, KROC, and Eli. They don't have the support structure to "compete" in reality supercross.
Say what?

When in doubt, "make shit up?"
3/26/2016 2:43pm
Boohoo! My guy isn't winning or let's allow the other guys to catch up who couldn't put it together for the first 8 rounds. There was...
Boohoo! My guy isn't winning or let's allow the other guys to catch up who couldn't put it together for the first 8 rounds. There was nothing wrong with the 2006 season was there? Other guys need to step up and stop letting guys like RV and RD run away with the series.
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If you have reach back to 2006, in 2015, to use as your example of an exciting season, I believe you made the case for change...
If you have reach back to 2006, in 2015, to use as your example of an exciting season, I believe you made the case for change

Checkmate
The sport survived and grew when MC RC and RV dominated. Now lets handicap the best guy out there because it's boring to see someone dominate? Some the best racing era's were dominated by one guy and is still being talked about years later. Earnhardt Rossi RC MC etc.etc. Now we can talk about how guys like Brayton cuz guys like RV crashed and got injured the last few races going for the win. Whistling
3/26/2016 2:45pm
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Good point 1st Amendment. What the hell does NASCAR know about promotion anyway
The sport has done pretty well without the Nascar BS. If bringing in a chase format is gonna start magically filling stadiums then I'll eat my...
The sport has done pretty well without the Nascar BS. If bringing in a chase format is gonna start magically filling stadiums then I'll eat my words. Until then it's a joke knowing that the venue/event you attend and paid for will prolly have guys half ass'n it cuz it doesn't play as big of role in the championship as the last 5-6 races do.
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So are you attending races because you're super excited about the importance of that race to a championship? Or are you attending to see the best...
So are you attending races because you're super excited about the importance of that race to a championship? Or are you attending to see the best in the world race for a win? I personally am not thinking of the championship all that much while I'm attending the race, I'm thinking, I hope there's a battle for the lead! A chase won't change that, the greats want to win every time they're out on the track..
I attend races to watch the best in the world race. I don't go home sniveling and thinking of ways to handicap the guy who put in the most work or scored the most points through a season
3/26/2016 2:56pm
I'm sorry but this whole chase BS is fucking stupid and so are the people that want it. Bottom line is it's not the current format...
I'm sorry but this whole chase BS is fucking stupid and so are the people that want it. Bottom line is it's not the current format that's the problem, it's the other guys not stepping up and handling their shit. Let's just give fucking trophies to everyone who participates. What a crock of shit!
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You make it sound so simple.......but don't tell us, tell those guys like Anderson, Roczen, and Tomac. I'm sure they could use your advice about "not...
You make it sound so simple.......but don't tell us, tell those guys like Anderson, Roczen, and Tomac. I'm sure they could use your advice about "not handling their shit." LoL
I shouldn't have to, they're professionals. Nobody needed to tell MC RC or RV.
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Mit12 wrote:
The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big...
The fact that Brayton would have SX Champion if we hade a chase format back when RV hurt his knee if proof enough ow how big of a joke this format is! If a rider can not win a single SX main in his career he does not deserve the championship.
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Also when Reed won like 6 races at the end of the season and still lost to Carmichael.
My point is indeed valid. Facts are facts Brayton would be a SX champion! Ya that's exciting? Brayton is a good guy and fast but he is not a championship caliber guy, so why create a format that would allow a rider that can not win a 450 SX main to be a champion? FELD is trying to turn a 17 round battle into a reality TV show.
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I as well as many others do not like this idea, but I am not sure how much our opinions matter to those in charge. To me, it takes away that feeling of having a true champion. Someone who did the best over the entire season and made the most points.
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3/26/2016 5:03pm
So what happens when one guy sweeps all the "chase" races ,do they just keep having more "chases" until the whiny bitches are happy or their guy finally wins.
3/26/2016 5:20pm
It will be the round the Monster rider wins. That's when the points chase will officially start
3/26/2016 6:40pm
Thing is, I hated the idea of the Chase when Nascar did it, I used to watch a few races a year, and now I watch one or two. The whole idea of it pissed me off to the point that I completely lost interest in Nascar. I'm not going to say I'll totally lose interest in SX, but for sure it would piss me off, and I guarantee I will not go to another sx if they implement that format of a championship.

People want to bring up stick and ball championship stuff, and I'm sorry, but motorsport is not stick and ball. There is a reason I've got zero interest in baseball, zero in soccer, not a whole bunch in football. I like motorsports, and I don't give a shit how stick and ball championships are earned. Motorsport championships have been earned through season long championships throughout history and there is no need to change.

For those saying sx is stale, what are you watching? More people are watching sx the past few years than any other time in history. Maybe a few less going to stadiums because of the economy and high prices to go watch live, or, like me, refuse to sit through a 3 hour Monster commercial, but I bet overall sx is getting more "impressions" than ever.

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MR. X wrote:
So what happens when one guy sweeps all the "chase" races ,do they just keep having more "chases" until the whiny bitches are happy or their...
So what happens when one guy sweeps all the "chase" races ,do they just keep having more "chases" until the whiny bitches are happy or their guy finally wins.
They will tweak the chase system like Nascar did after Jimmie Johnson won 6 chase championships in a row.
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g0rd057 wrote:
They will tweak the chase system like Nascar did after Jimmie Johnson won 6 chase championships in a row.
So, they'll change the system that awards the championship to the guy that is clearly the best all year to a system that awards the championship to a guy that probably didnt accumulate the most total points for the entire season. Am i correct so far?
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g0rd057 wrote:
They will tweak the chase system like Nascar did after Jimmie Johnson won 6 chase championships in a row.
MR. X wrote:
So, they'll change the system that awards the championship to the guy that is clearly the best all year to a system that awards the championship...
So, they'll change the system that awards the championship to the guy that is clearly the best all year to a system that awards the championship to a guy that probably didnt accumulate the most total points for the entire season. Am i correct so far?
You are correct sir.
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g0rd057 wrote:
They will tweak the chase system like Nascar did after Jimmie Johnson won 6 chase championships in a row.
MR. X wrote:
So, they'll change the system that awards the championship to the guy that is clearly the best all year to a system that awards the championship...
So, they'll change the system that awards the championship to the guy that is clearly the best all year to a system that awards the championship to a guy that probably didnt accumulate the most total points for the entire season. Am i correct so far?
Yeah do a google search and see how many races Kyle Busch missed last year to eventually win the championship at the final round...
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The final event of the season shouldn't be the least climactic, and to the point where top riders and teams say we're not participating. It's bad for the sport, like 16 guys lining up for a
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