No Japanese Bikes On Detroit 450 Podium...

gjbruny wrote:

been riding KTMs since before they were "in style." its crazy to see the big turnaround in public opinion about them... they have been making bikes...

been riding KTMs since before they were "in style." its crazy to see the big turnaround in public opinion about them... they have been making bikes that we were asking for for quite a while now and, in the past, it has been hard for some of us to understand why they were so frowned upon by so many. they were listening to their customers and building what we wanted and they were building great bikes.... that still hasn't changed. there is no question that the bikes have become even better since decoster and dungey have come on board but not THAT much better in stock form. i guess it is true that winning supercross titles and mx titles also wins customers.

i'm just glad that KTM is finally getting the success that they deserve. they build bikes for kids that are barely out of diapers, dirt bikes that have just enough lighting to make them street legal, to world class enduro, moto, superbikes and everything in between..... and when there is enough demand from customers for something different.... they will build that bike too.

hillbilly wrote:

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title. How stupid can you be to let the man...

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title.

How stupid can you be to let the man go knowing what he did for ever race team he ever worked at and think that decision ain't going to come back on you.

hillbilly wrote:

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title. How stupid can you be to let the man...

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title.

How stupid can you be to let the man go knowing what he did for ever race team he ever worked at and think that decision ain't going to come back on you.

Julian wrote:

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again Just ask Roger But that is the way of the world, there must be...

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again

Just ask Roger

But that is the way of the world, there must be lame companies and sharp companies

just the way it is

BUT, THE BIG QUESTION STILL REMAINS

DECADE AFTER DECADE

WHY CAN'T THE GOOD OLD USA MANAGE TO GET IT'S SHIT TOGETHER AND PRODUCE AN MX BIKE, I DON'T MEAN COBRA, I MEAN A REAL MX BIKE TO WIN AMA MX OR SX

Has the USA ever even produced an MX bike ---- period ?

forget about Harley, Italian motor and suspension

Forget Can Am, Austrian motor and ???? Italian / Japanese suspension

So, what's the answer?

Julian wrote:

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again Just ask Roger But that is the way of the world, there must be...

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again

Just ask Roger

But that is the way of the world, there must be lame companies and sharp companies

just the way it is

BUT, THE BIG QUESTION STILL REMAINS

DECADE AFTER DECADE

WHY CAN'T THE GOOD OLD USA MANAGE TO GET IT'S SHIT TOGETHER AND PRODUCE AN MX BIKE, I DON'T MEAN COBRA, I MEAN A REAL MX BIKE TO WIN AMA MX OR SX

Has the USA ever even produced an MX bike ---- period ?

forget about Harley, Italian motor and suspension

Forget Can Am, Austrian motor and ???? Italian / Japanese suspension

So, what's the answer?

Julian wrote:

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again Just ask Roger But that is the way of the world, there must be...

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again

Just ask Roger

But that is the way of the world, there must be lame companies and sharp companies

just the way it is

BUT, THE BIG QUESTION STILL REMAINS

DECADE AFTER DECADE

WHY CAN'T THE GOOD OLD USA MANAGE TO GET IT'S SHIT TOGETHER AND PRODUCE AN MX BIKE, I DON'T MEAN COBRA, I MEAN A REAL MX BIKE TO WIN AMA MX OR SX

Has the USA ever even produced an MX bike ---- period ?

forget about Harley, Italian motor and suspension

Forget Can Am, Austrian motor and ???? Italian / Japanese suspension

So, what's the answer?

SmoothOperator wrote:

ATK & Canondale. ATK used rotax engines for the most part however. Some of their erly stuff used Honda engines. The Canondale(which then was purchased by...

ATK & Canondale. ATK used rotax engines for the most part however. Some of their erly stuff used Honda engines.
The Canondale(which then was purchased by ATK) was an American built bike. A lot of parts were Euro sourced though as well.
The old ATK works bikes were cool bikes.

bob567 wrote:

You obviously do not personally provide employment for americans or you would not have asked the question. The little 4 don't have the will to grow...

You obviously do not personally provide employment for americans or you would not have asked the question. The little 4 don't have the will to grow the sport. The only answer is KTM offer the bikes in Orange, White, Red, Yellow, Green and Blue.

Brent wrote:

KTM appears to be a company that owes a lot of it's success lately to The Man.

Whatever they pay him, its not enough.

fullfloater wrote:

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this? Would like to try some dual...

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this?

Would like to try some dual sport action and it sounds like KTM has the best DS bike by a long shot.

hillbilly wrote:

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title. How stupid can you be to let the man...

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title.

How stupid can you be to let the man go knowing what he did for ever race team he ever worked at and think that decision ain't going to come back on you.

kiwifan wrote:

Really? the big 4 were responsible for the sport growing massively in the 70's and 80's...if it wasnt for them the sport would not be where...

Really? the big 4 were responsible for the sport growing massively in the 70's and 80's...if it wasnt for them the sport would not be where it is at these days and KTM would not be where it is now.

Also do you think the big 4 care that much about off road bikes, they dont make a lot of money out of them so why spend big R&D on them? Despite this the big 4 still sell a truckload more bikes than what KTM does...so do you think they care?

Brent wrote:

KTM appears to be a company that owes a lot of it's success lately to The Man.

Whatever they pay him, its not enough.

Julian wrote:

Roger DeCoster is magic, there is no doubt about it. He can come to any quality company and turn them into winners. But back to the...

Roger DeCoster is magic, there is no doubt about it. He can come to any quality company and turn them into winners.

But back to the "Made in USA" topic.

The USA does not even have a producer of mx bikes so Roger can not even come help them........

It just gets under my skin when I think about it..... that America can not compete against Japan/Austria.

What producers of motorized vehicles are left in the USA, I know Ford is in the process of moving to Mexico but maybe there is some production left or what about GM?.... Can you imagine if Ford or GM were to try to produce an MX bike, like Honda for example ?

hillbilly wrote:

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title. How stupid can you be to let the man...

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title.

How stupid can you be to let the man go knowing what he did for ever race team he ever worked at and think that decision ain't going to come back on you.

Julian wrote:

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again Just ask Roger But that is the way of the world, there must be...

Suzuki has proven to be a lame thinking company again and again

Just ask Roger

But that is the way of the world, there must be lame companies and sharp companies

just the way it is

BUT, THE BIG QUESTION STILL REMAINS

DECADE AFTER DECADE

WHY CAN'T THE GOOD OLD USA MANAGE TO GET IT'S SHIT TOGETHER AND PRODUCE AN MX BIKE, I DON'T MEAN COBRA, I MEAN A REAL MX BIKE TO WIN AMA MX OR SX

Has the USA ever even produced an MX bike ---- period ?

forget about Harley, Italian motor and suspension

Forget Can Am, Austrian motor and ???? Italian / Japanese suspension

So, what's the answer?

fullfloater wrote:

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this? Would like to try some dual...

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this?

Would like to try some dual sport action and it sounds like KTM has the best DS bike by a long shot.

fullfloater wrote:

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this? Would like to try some dual...

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this?

Would like to try some dual sport action and it sounds like KTM has the best DS bike by a long shot.

The Rock wrote:

I seem to recall MXA said 2014 KTM sold more off road machines than the four OEMs combined but I can't put a body part on...

I seem to recall MXA said 2014 KTM sold more off road machines than the four OEMs combined but I can't put a body part on it.

2013

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/08/09/youd-probably-never-gu…

hillbilly wrote:

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title. How stupid can you be to let the man...

I wonder if Suzuki wishes they hadn't snubbed Roger and Ryan that year after winning the title.

How stupid can you be to let the man go knowing what he did for ever race team he ever worked at and think that decision ain't going to come back on you.

The Rock wrote:

Suzuki had bigger problems like circling the bankruptcy drain than The Man and the race team. To your point financial insolvency aside I agree with you...

Suzuki had bigger problems like circling the bankruptcy drain than The Man and the race team.

To your point financial insolvency aside I agree with you. I will also go into the cremation oven still in shock Honda let McGrath go to Kawi

fullfloater wrote:

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this? Would like to try some dual...

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this?

Would like to try some dual sport action and it sounds like KTM has the best DS bike by a long shot.

BobPA wrote:

I just took one of these for a ride yesterday. It might be the single coolest motorcycle I have ever ridden.

rbxc wrote:

just curious do you research or just throw completely wrong info out?

rbxc wrote:

just curious do you research or just throw completely wrong info out?

The Rock wrote:

Don't have to research anything when you have contacts that worked for Suzuki during Dungey's last two years on yellow. Please tell me how I was...

Don't have to research anything when you have contacts that worked for Suzuki during Dungey's last two years on yellow.

Please tell me how I was wrong. Thank you.

Julian wrote:

Roger DeCoster is magic, there is no doubt about it. He can come to any quality company and turn them into winners. But back to the...

Roger DeCoster is magic, there is no doubt about it. He can come to any quality company and turn them into winners.

But back to the "Made in USA" topic.

The USA does not even have a producer of mx bikes so Roger can not even come help them........

It just gets under my skin when I think about it..... that America can not compete against Japan/Austria.

What producers of motorized vehicles are left in the USA, I know Ford is in the process of moving to Mexico but maybe there is some production left or what about GM?.... Can you imagine if Ford or GM were to try to produce an MX bike, like Honda for example ?

rbxc wrote:

just curious do you research or just throw completely wrong info out?

The Rock wrote:

Don't have to research anything when you have contacts that worked for Suzuki during Dungey's last two years on yellow. Please tell me how I was...

Don't have to research anything when you have contacts that worked for Suzuki during Dungey's last two years on yellow.

Please tell me how I was wrong. Thank you.

rbxc wrote:

well since its all public info maybe you should. because heres a secret yammie, kawie and ktm combined make less than suzuki in 2010 and every...

well since its all public info maybe you should. because heres a secret yammie, kawie and ktm combined make less than suzuki in 2010 and every year. so if they were in trouble so is everyone not named honda those are the facts

fullfloater wrote:

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this? Would like to try some dual...

Speaking of KTM, does the 500exc get the new plastic treatment for '17 or will it still look like this?

Would like to try some dual sport action and it sounds like KTM has the best DS bike by a long shot.

BobPA wrote:

I just took one of these for a ride yesterday. It might be the single coolest motorcycle I have ever ridden.

fullfloater wrote:

Do tell! What did your ride consist of and what did you like about the bike and experience? Have wanted to buy one for a few...

Do tell! What did your ride consist of and what did you like about the bike and experience? Have wanted to buy one for a few years now.

The Rock wrote:

Don't have to research anything when you have contacts that worked for Suzuki during Dungey's last two years on yellow. Please tell me how I was...

Don't have to research anything when you have contacts that worked for Suzuki during Dungey's last two years on yellow.

Please tell me how I was wrong. Thank you.

rbxc wrote:

well since its all public info maybe you should. because heres a secret yammie, kawie and ktm combined make less than suzuki in 2010 and every...

well since its all public info maybe you should. because heres a secret yammie, kawie and ktm combined make less than suzuki in 2010 and every year. so if they were in trouble so is everyone not named honda those are the facts

zookrider62! wrote:

Are you saying suzuki wasnt facing bankruptcy?