Any word on the 2017 Hondas 250's?

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One of my 2015 250F's has hit the 100hour mark. I'm trying to decide if I should replace it with another 2015 or just have one bike until the 2017's are available.

Has there been any word on the specs for 2017? I'm hoping they dump the shitty TAC forks that are beating my wrists to death.

-thanks
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100 hrs is not a lot, as long as you do routine maintenance.

Sorry, I don't have an answer to your question.
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Rather than do the crank and all of the other stuff that I feel would need to be replaced while the cases are split (bearings, seals, shifting parts, maybe gears)

I'd rather flip it add some money and have a fresh machine.

I feel like the day after I make a move there will be info on the 2017's =p
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Dont the Honda 450's get released a year before the 250's? So it would be 2018 before you see the updated model.

Id say do a good ol rebuild. I put 200hrs on my '13 crf250 before doing a bottom end and now at 230 hours, still havnt had to adjust the valves. So you probably have a lot more time left on her before shes not worth rebuilding.
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Eli will be wishing he had one.Wink

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moto455va wrote:
Dont the Honda 450's get released a year before the 250's? So it would be 2018 before you see the updated model. Id say do a...
Dont the Honda 450's get released a year before the 250's? So it would be 2018 before you see the updated model.

Id say do a good ol rebuild. I put 200hrs on my '13 crf250 before doing a bottom end and now at 230 hours, still havnt had to adjust the valves. So you probably have a lot more time left on her before shes not worth rebuilding.
Good point. I can't say that I know the release schedule. But I think that is what happened with fuel injection.

450 first, then 250.

Can anyone confirm that?
Dan-The-Man 2/22/2016 7:32pm
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The 16 was better than the 15 wasn't it? Could always go that route. I was hoping for an all new in 2017 but I know the 250 is usually a year behind the 450. Hope someone else chimes in.
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They wont have one of these:

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Dan-The-Man wrote:
The 16 was better than the 15 wasn't it? Could always go that route. I was hoping for an all new in 2017 but I know...
The 16 was better than the 15 wasn't it? Could always go that route. I was hoping for an all new in 2017 but I know the 250 is usually a year behind the 450. Hope someone else chimes in.
Wanna have the same bikes to set them up the same.
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The 16 was better than the 15 wasn't it? Could always go that route. I was hoping for an all new in 2017 but I know...
The 16 was better than the 15 wasn't it? Could always go that route. I was hoping for an all new in 2017 but I know the 250 is usually a year behind the 450. Hope someone else chimes in.
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Wanna have the same bikes to set them up the same.
Yea makes sense. Forgot the part where you said you had 2 bikes.
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mtl wrote:
Good point. I can't say that I know the release schedule. But I think that is what happened with fuel injection. 450 first, then 250. Can...
Good point. I can't say that I know the release schedule. But I think that is what happened with fuel injection.

450 first, then 250.

Can anyone confirm that?
Most (if not all) manufacturers release their 450 major upgrade first, then the 250 a year later....Honda is one of them
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Are you racing? If your not hard on the bike, you can easily get another 50-100 hours on that bottom end. At least all my yamaha's did. 100 hours on a non race bike for a bottom end seems premature.
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VET176 wrote:
They wont have one of these: [img]http://cdn.motocross.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/441/files/2011/05/pc_pipe.jpg[/img]
They wont have one of these:

Dammit!!
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moto455va wrote:
Dont the Honda 450's get released a year before the 250's? So it would be 2018 before you see the updated model. Id say do a...
Dont the Honda 450's get released a year before the 250's? So it would be 2018 before you see the updated model.

Id say do a good ol rebuild. I put 200hrs on my '13 crf250 before doing a bottom end and now at 230 hours, still havnt had to adjust the valves. So you probably have a lot more time left on her before shes not worth rebuilding.
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Good point. I can't say that I know the release schedule. But I think that is what happened with fuel injection. 450 first, then 250. Can...
Good point. I can't say that I know the release schedule. But I think that is what happened with fuel injection.

450 first, then 250.

Can anyone confirm that?
I don't know if this is confirmation enough for you, but Honda has been doing it that way for 30 years.
sgrimmxdad 2/23/2016 5:47am
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Not trying to hijack your thread but I'm kinda in the same spot. If you don't mind me asking what class rider are you? My boy is a C class rider and we are close to 100 and I was trying to decide to just buy another or redo everything like you listed at 125hrs. We ride blue....
Hoping for more opinions!
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VET176 wrote:
They wont have one of these: [img]http://cdn.motocross.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/441/files/2011/05/pc_pipe.jpg[/img]
They wont have one of these:

That's not a bad thing
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mtl wrote:
One of my 2015 250F's has hit the 100hour mark. I'm trying to decide if I should replace it with another 2015 or just have one...
One of my 2015 250F's has hit the 100hour mark. I'm trying to decide if I should replace it with another 2015 or just have one bike until the 2017's are available.

Has there been any word on the specs for 2017? I'm hoping they dump the shitty TAC forks that are beating my wrists to death.

-thanks
Have you ridden any of the other bikes? Nothing like buying a new bike & having it be just as uninspiring as the one you currently own.
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VET176 wrote:
They wont have one of these: [img]http://cdn.motocross.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/441/files/2011/05/pc_pipe.jpg[/img]
They wont have one of these:

Johnny Ringo wrote:
That's not a bad thing
No doubt. It's horrible, not just bad.
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Have you ridden any of the other bikes? Nothing like buying a new bike & having it be just as uninspiring as the one you currently...
Have you ridden any of the other bikes? Nothing like buying a new bike & having it be just as uninspiring as the one you currently own.
No, I haven't.

For me it's hard to tell if I'm going to like a bike by riding it just once. I'd have to buy the Yamaha and set it up for myself to see if I even like it. Even then, I'd want to ride them back to back on the same track.

Then comes the issue of all the Honda parts and wheels I've got

What I really want to do is buy 2 350's. But I cant justify spending an extra $5400 on two bikes. If I were to add $1400, I'd have 3 250 Hondas...

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usafwx wrote:
Are you racing? If your not hard on the bike, you can easily get another 50-100 hours on that bottom end. At least all my yamaha's...
Are you racing? If your not hard on the bike, you can easily get another 50-100 hours on that bottom end. At least all my yamaha's did. 100 hours on a non race bike for a bottom end seems premature.
Yep, I am. As much as possible.
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Not trying to hijack your thread but I'm kinda in the same spot. If you don't mind me asking what class rider are you? My boy...
Not trying to hijack your thread but I'm kinda in the same spot. If you don't mind me asking what class rider are you? My boy is a C class rider and we are close to 100 and I was trying to decide to just buy another or redo everything like you listed at 125hrs. We ride blue....
Hoping for more opinions!
B class rider in California.


A guy (or girl) who doesn't ride competitively will get a lot of use out of a 100hour motor. Someone who is going racing needs to have the reliability. Especially if you are running only one bike.
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Not trying to hijack your thread but I'm kinda in the same spot. If you don't mind me asking what class rider are you? My boy...
Not trying to hijack your thread but I'm kinda in the same spot. If you don't mind me asking what class rider are you? My boy is a C class rider and we are close to 100 and I was trying to decide to just buy another or redo everything like you listed at 125hrs. We ride blue....
Hoping for more opinions!
mtl wrote:
B class rider in California. A guy (or girl) who doesn't ride competitively will get a lot of use out of a 100hour motor. Someone who...
B class rider in California.


A guy (or girl) who doesn't ride competitively will get a lot of use out of a 100hour motor. Someone who is going racing needs to have the reliability. Especially if you are running only one bike.
As of this weekend it will be his practice bike. We have a new 16 for racing only. He rides about 5-6 hours per week, weather permitting, so in a month or so I have to decide to redo the entire bike, all bearings, and bottom and top end. Hard decision. Thank you for your response!!
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I think Honda will break the trend and release all new 250 and 450 this time...250 class is too important to put off another year imo...just a guess.
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grunkster wrote:
I think Honda will break the trend and release all new 250 and 450 this time...250 class is too important to put off another year imo...just...
I think Honda will break the trend and release all new 250 and 450 this time...250 class is too important to put off another year imo...just a guess.
From my understanding, the engineering cycle doesn't work like that.

There are X engineers available to re-engineer a given model.

This X number of engineers spends all of 2015 working on the 2017 model bike, for example CRF450R.

In 2016 they spend the year working on the 2018 model bike, for example CRF250R.

Having an overlap where they release two brand new models would require twice the engineering staff or would mean that Honda sat on one year of work to have two new models come out at the same time.

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user760a 2/23/2016 12:08pm
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I hear the 2017 Hondas will have three pipes for mass centralization . cant wait!
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Avoid the first year production if you can of cars motorcycles you name it. Let them get the bugs worked out then plop down your dollars is a friend of mine's motto
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The Rock wrote:
Avoid the first year production if you can of cars motorcycles you name it. Let them get the bugs worked out then plop down your dollars...
Avoid the first year production if you can of cars motorcycles you name it. Let them get the bugs worked out then plop down your dollars is a friend of mine's motto
Wise motto.
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mtl 2/23/2016 6:29pm
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I had the first year fuel injected 250F with no problems.

Also, sometimes you just gotta buy a bike...

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