why kenny going to Honda is a huge mistake imo

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MR. X 2/21/2016 4:11am
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The 97 was rushed so bad they didn't even time to get foam made for the seat ,they used a 2x4 instead.
crusty_xx 2/21/2016 5:14am
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I don't get why people always blame it on the Suzuki or his team switch. He's not doing bad.
He's a level above everyone not named Ryan Dungey right now.
If you ignore Dungey (he's on a whole nother level compared to 2014 when Roczen rode KTM) then you have Kenny winning by almost 20 seconds over Anderson. Do you guys believe that would be 50 seconds on a KTM or what?!

He had a bad year last year and struggled with injuries and the showa.
He's doing pretty good this year IMO, his only problem is that Ryan Dungey is just incredible at the moment. No matter what team or bike Kenny is on, Dungey is hard to beat over a whole season right now
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kiwifan wrote:
Whether he goes to Honda or not he will have a new bike in 2017
Not true. No new RMZ until '18.
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bish153 wrote:
Yeah I guess you are right...I think Short finshed 3rd behind Stewart and Reed in 09 in supercross. I will also ask Short and Tedesco about...
Yeah I guess you are right...I think Short finshed 3rd behind Stewart and Reed in 09 in supercross. I will also ask Short and Tedesco about going 2nd and 3rd in the Nationals that year...but I'm sure they hated the bike...it came out to soon! That's fact...right?
They weren't big fans of the bike. It's common knowledge. Davi disliked it the most.

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kiwifan wrote:
Whether he goes to Honda or not he will have a new bike in 2017
mx836 wrote:
Not true. No new RMZ until '18.
Seriously? Man, this is lame news. This bike better look WILDLY different with some serious exotica on it.
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mx836 2/21/2016 5:33am
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Seriously? Man, this is lame news. This bike better look WILDLY different with some serious exotica on it.
Pretty sure it was Kris Keefer that said that. It's still a good bike as it is.
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HenryA 2/21/2016 6:06am
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I don't recall Jeremy Martin struggle on his all new 2014 YXF250, and Dungey did fine on his 450sxf 2012.5....Or Ryan Villopoto on the 2012 KX450f...hell even Tomac on the 2010 CRF250 won the same race he turned pro on. And that is on a bike that was very similar to the 2009 CRF450.

Roczen will make it work. No doubt about it. He even won a championship on the 450sxf, the bike that he "couldn't wait to get off".
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cayman 2/21/2016 6:13am
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Love this kind of Mr Know it all topic...
I learned that the future new Honda will be a piece of crap, didn't waste my time...
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mmcmx 2/21/2016 6:27am
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Well, my simple understanding of probability tells me that the fact Honda has had trouble with new models lately, doesn't mean it will happen again. It didn't happen in '02

That said, I think it's a point worth discussing, we are here to bench race anyway.
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Seems like jumping around to a lot of different bikes isn't usually a good thing, unless your at the ens of your career and looking to extend it....this will be brand #3 already in his short career.
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TeamGreen 2/21/2016 6:33am
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Let's see...

"HRC" Factory Hondas
Team Operated by American Honda
Long Term Contract
Really Good Pay
Get's to keep his Red Bull deal

Yup. Kenny's a fool.
(Sarchasm)
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TeamGreen 2/21/2016 6:34am
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machine wrote:
Seems like jumping around to a lot of different bikes isn't usually a good thing, unless your at the ens of your career and looking to...
Seems like jumping around to a lot of different bikes isn't usually a good thing, unless your at the ens of your career and looking to extend it....this will be brand #3 already in his short career.
So, didn't work for RC?
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97,09 ,13 .anyone who knows Honda s knows what I am talking about .the big rumor is Ken is going to HRC next year . They...
97,09 ,13 .anyone who knows Honda s knows what I am talking about .the big rumor is Ken is going to HRC next year . They have a brand new bike coming out . A game changer !! Just like in 97 ( probable the worst production bike ever) or like in 09 the bike that was hailed as the next break through .which went from the. 08 the best bike in the class by far to a complete load of crap , and the worst bike in the class. It took them till 12 to build a great bike again. Then in 13 they went all the way back again, now the 16 seem s to be a great . .they have such a history of doing this. I really think it will be the same .the new 17 won't be any good for at least a year. I really think big time .the Suzuki is every bit as good as the KTM . Same as the Honda but next year I think Honda will do what Honda do release a bike too early and whoever is on it will struggle
I will give you the '97 it was a piece of crap, but from '09 to '12 they messed around with the fork, linkage and mapping, from '13 to '16 same thing. Nothing that a factory team can't hash out within a reasonable amout of time. I had both a '09 and a '12 and personally liked the stronger engine the '09 had over the '12, the forks on the '12 were a little better stock than the '09, but not after they were revalved. Now that HRC is involved again, I don't think they will have these issues.
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flatout111 2/21/2016 6:56am
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OR Racer46 wrote:
You put enough zeros in a contract and Kroc will pedal a huffy around the track and say it's the best bike ever
Lol. So true. With all the riders.
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Jt$ 2/21/2016 7:16am
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Juss wrote:
Kenny ain't going anywhere!
Wager?
Chris_Cooksey 2/21/2016 7:21am
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I had an'08 and really liked it so I was curious what was wrong with it to rush the '09. Using my new Rosetta Stone translator...
I had an'08 and really liked it so I was curious what was wrong with it to rush the '09.

Using my new Rosetta Stone translator for (some) Vital posts, OP was really saying that the '09 was rushed based on his opinion and that is a fact
I had both bikes, my 09 randomly shut off(never got that figured out), clutch faded, popped out of 2nd gear and neither Enzo or MB1 could make it work close to as good as my 08'(even though MB1 made it much better). There are just a few things... Last Honda I will own! I have a 13 RMZ 450 now and love it.
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mmcmx 2/21/2016 7:23am
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OR Racer46 wrote:
You put enough zeros in a contract and Kroc will pedal a huffy around the track and say it's the best bike ever
flatout111 wrote:
Lol. So true. With all the riders.
Actually, the moral of the RCH story is precisely the contrary, zeros arent enough.
Dan-The-Man 2/21/2016 7:41am
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bish153 wrote:
Hmmmm....in your last sentence you talk about Honda having a history of releasing a bike to soon. Please tell me how much time Honda spends developing...
Hmmmm....in your last sentence you talk about Honda having a history of releasing a bike to soon. Please tell me how much time Honda spends developing a new bike, and then tell me how much time they should actually spend devolving the bike.
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Well there 09 bike was rushed , I know that for a fact , and imo and alot of other people the 08 Honda is still...
Well there 09 bike was rushed , I know that for a fact , and imo and alot of other people the 08 Honda is still the best the produced . The 09 was one of the biggest step backs any bike in the last 15 year's any bike made. But by 12 they had worked out the bugs and had a brilliant bike then fu&k ed it up aging in 13 so bad the lost reed. Barica and tomac over it.I think they have it sorted again now. And there changing it ground up again . I really see the same happing again. I am sure buy the end of 17 they will have it sorted but it will be to late for anyone in 17 then
Let's just be clear. Reed always blames the bike. That is a fact.

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jhansen510 2/21/2016 8:08am
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Ive been saying this for over a year now. Kenny will be on a Honsa next year! In fact Scottie and I had been emailing back and forth about just that. Honda is ready to win!
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davistld01 2/21/2016 8:12am
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I think Kenny going to Honda is far from a huge mistake. It could be a great long-term career move. I don't believe RCH can support a championship.
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mxb2 2/21/2016 8:15am
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Juss wrote:
Kenny ain't going anywhere!
Jt$ wrote:
Wager?
Yea. I want that bet also, we shall see how sure he is.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Let's see... "HRC" Factory Hondas Team Operated by American Honda Long Term Contract Really Good Pay Get's to keep his Red Bull deal Yup. Kenny's a...
Let's see...

"HRC" Factory Hondas
Team Operated by American Honda
Long Term Contract
Really Good Pay
Get's to keep his Red Bull deal

Yup. Kenny's a fool.
(Sarchasm)
Plus it's the easiest switch going from RCH to HRC Laughing
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KTM/Husqvarna is "where it's at" because that is where DeCoster decided to go when Suzuki farted around and lost him for the SECOND time.

The Carmichael Suzuki team is not a complete team because they are missing the magic of a DeCoster who can lead the team AND develop the bikes like magic. DeCoster has the magic touch, period.

The best thing the current Suzuki bike has going for it is that it still has a little of DeCoster in the design from when he was over there with Dungey.

There must have been some serious behind the scenes turbulence (or bad advice) that brought Roczen to want to leave DeCoster.

Had Roger been able to hold on to Roczen, Roger would now have a "DeCoster Honda team of the 80's"

Dungey, Roczen, Musquin, Anderson, Pourcel

Just maybe, Roczen will use the two years away from DeCoster to "look back" and understand what he left.
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machine 2/21/2016 9:12am
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machine wrote:
Seems like jumping around to a lot of different bikes isn't usually a good thing, unless your at the ens of your career and looking to...
Seems like jumping around to a lot of different bikes isn't usually a good thing, unless your at the ens of your career and looking to extend it....this will be brand #3 already in his short career.
TeamGreen wrote:
So, didn't work for RC?
Kawasaki
Honda
Suzuki
key word "usually" Smile

Sure It worked for RC, but there are many greats that had brand loyalty also. I can see 1 switch, but 2 bike switches within 3 years is quite a bit, not to mention his original switch from Suzuki. Look at guys like RV and RD for example, one never switched and the other only once, "so far". Like I said, maybe later in their careers to buy more time, like CR and JS.
Dan-The-Man 2/21/2016 9:16am
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KTM/Husqvarna is "where it's at" because that is where DeCoster decided to go when Suzuki farted around and lost him for the SECOND time. The Carmichael...
KTM/Husqvarna is "where it's at" because that is where DeCoster decided to go when Suzuki farted around and lost him for the SECOND time.

The Carmichael Suzuki team is not a complete team because they are missing the magic of a DeCoster who can lead the team AND develop the bikes like magic. DeCoster has the magic touch, period.

The best thing the current Suzuki bike has going for it is that it still has a little of DeCoster in the design from when he was over there with Dungey.

There must have been some serious behind the scenes turbulence (or bad advice) that brought Roczen to want to leave DeCoster.

Had Roger been able to hold on to Roczen, Roger would now have a "DeCoster Honda team of the 80's"

Dungey, Roczen, Musquin, Anderson, Pourcel

Just maybe, Roczen will use the two years away from DeCoster to "look back" and understand what he left.
Probably the first time I've agreed with you. Decoster is a wizard.
Brownstone322 2/21/2016 9:22am
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brimx153 wrote:
Well there 09 bike was rushed , I know that for a fact , and imo and alot of other people the 08 Honda is still...
Well there 09 bike was rushed , I know that for a fact , and imo and alot of other people the 08 Honda is still the best the produced . The 09 was one of the biggest step backs any bike in the last 15 year's any bike made. But by 12 they had worked out the bugs and had a brilliant bike then fu&k ed it up aging in 13 so bad the lost reed. Barica and tomac over it.I think they have it sorted again now. And there changing it ground up again . I really see the same happing again. I am sure buy the end of 17 they will have it sorted but it will be to late for anyone in 17 then
I'm not the Grammar Police, but, man ... you write like a retard. A little education will take you places, even here.
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machine 2/21/2016 9:26am
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Brownstone322 wrote:
I'm not the Grammar Police, but, man ... you write like a retard. A little education will take you places, even here.
You're giving "here" too much credit..Grinning
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I honestly think with Japan being more in the racing fold again being on a Honda is a great idea. They want to win bad.
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DonM 2/21/2016 9:30am
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Pretty sure that it's back to the drawing board with the new Honda...so no new 17's for either brand....Kenny's already been replaced at RCH anyways...
nascarnate326 2/21/2016 9:41am
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Julian wrote:
KTM/Husqvarna is "where it's at" because that is where DeCoster decided to go when Suzuki farted around and lost him for the SECOND time. The Carmichael...
KTM/Husqvarna is "where it's at" because that is where DeCoster decided to go when Suzuki farted around and lost him for the SECOND time.

The Carmichael Suzuki team is not a complete team because they are missing the magic of a DeCoster who can lead the team AND develop the bikes like magic. DeCoster has the magic touch, period.

The best thing the current Suzuki bike has going for it is that it still has a little of DeCoster in the design from when he was over there with Dungey.

There must have been some serious behind the scenes turbulence (or bad advice) that brought Roczen to want to leave DeCoster.

Had Roger been able to hold on to Roczen, Roger would now have a "DeCoster Honda team of the 80's"

Dungey, Roczen, Musquin, Anderson, Pourcel

Just maybe, Roczen will use the two years away from DeCoster to "look back" and understand what he left.
Didn't KTM/ Roger commit to the team being "Team Dungey" ?

I don't know that Ken would fit in with his rival at this point. There were high hopes for Tomac, Barcia, Seely, etc but at this point only Roczen stands in Dungeys way..and even thats a big maybe. Dungey is just that good.

I want a bad ass Team Honda more than anyone but I think Suzuki will pretty much spend whatever it takes to keep Roczen on yellow. I wish Ken would team up with JS7 and insist that a "Factory Edition" RMZ was on the order for 2017 Supercross.

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