Changing Points Payout:

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Edited Date/Time 1/30/2016 5:47pm
Would changing the points payout in the series help keep the championship more competitive, and therefore interesting as the series progressed?

Say 25 points for 1st, 24 for 2nd, 23 for 3rd and so on, by 1 point increments.

I really think this would keep the pack together and promote and motivate tighter competition as the year winds on, and it's such a simple thing to change.
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BobPA 1/30/2016 7:11am
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No, just no

That would just cause an even larger freight train...
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If anything it would make it tougher to make up points when you're behind...
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Missing a race would be an even larger penalty then, because it would restrict a rider from making up points. Riders would more than likely settle for a lower position if they're just going to go ball's out for one point, they may not view the risk vs reward as worth it.
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richter28 1/30/2016 8:03am
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I like how it works in AX... but with their inversions and 2 moto format it also helps keep everybody close

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ChrisB10 1/30/2016 8:11am
1/30/2016 8:11am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2016 8:13am
4thGearPinned wrote:
Would changing the points payout in the series help keep the championship more competitive, and therefore interesting as the series progressed? Say 25 points for 1st...
Would changing the points payout in the series help keep the championship more competitive, and therefore interesting as the series progressed?

Say 25 points for 1st, 24 for 2nd, 23 for 3rd and so on, by 1 point increments.

I really think this would keep the pack together and promote and motivate tighter competition as the year winds on, and it's such a simple thing to change.
How about instead of changing the point system to keep fucking the guy riding the best, other riders just step up and ride better?

I know it's not happening but let's not turn SX into socialism because they don't like the same 1% winning.

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just James 1/30/2016 8:16am
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What the series needs is an advisor, like say, Bernie Sanders. He could periodically take 90% of the points from the top 3, and redistribute them among the other riders. After all, it is not fair that some have more than others. In this way we could pretend that the series is always close and exciting. Call it "Supercross Justice".
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Mit12 1/30/2016 8:18am
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First off why do you think they need to change up SX?
The racing is what brings the fans not the points chase. SX is on TV live every week, the ratings are good the racing has been good. Why mess with a system that has and is working?
I will say it again for the most part very few people that watch SX care about points or even know who won the championship the year before. Why do you think the red plate is used along with the #1?
I wish they would do a pole of the fans as they enter the stadium and see how many fans actualley can name who is top five in points. I bet it would be less than 10%
4thGearPinned 1/30/2016 8:23am
1/30/2016 8:23am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2016 8:31am
ML512 wrote:
Missing a race would be an even larger penalty then, because it would restrict a rider from making up points. Riders would more than likely settle...
Missing a race would be an even larger penalty then, because it would restrict a rider from making up points. Riders would more than likely settle for a lower position if they're just going to go ball's out for one point, they may not view the risk vs reward as worth it.
Good point, it really could destroy guys taking chances and dull it down. Didn't think of that.

but also if a guy is in 2nd or 3rd, and only 5 or 10 points out instead of 15 or 20. he might push harder each weekend to make up the gap whereas with a larger gap they assume they're out of it and back it down, like we've seen quite a few times.

it's been a blowout the past several years towards the end of the series, just thinking of ideas to keep it a championship race later in the series for other riders. Already we're seeing a gap in points develope that might never be made up by the 2nd, 3rd place guys etc.
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OW38B 1/30/2016 8:33am
1/30/2016 8:33am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2016 8:34am
If you want to have the potential of having a closer/better championship the FIM/AMA could do a a "progressive" points pay out for a points payout.

First six races you have the current points, the next six races you pay 30 points for first and drop down 4 points for 2nd place and 1 more less than on the current schedule.

Last 5 races you pay 40 points for first, drop 5 points down to second and another point down on the rest.

No guarantee, but it makes the races more valuable as you progress thru the season.
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4thGearPinned wrote:
Would changing the points payout in the series help keep the championship more competitive, and therefore interesting as the series progressed? Say 25 points for 1st...
Would changing the points payout in the series help keep the championship more competitive, and therefore interesting as the series progressed?

Say 25 points for 1st, 24 for 2nd, 23 for 3rd and so on, by 1 point increments.

I really think this would keep the pack together and promote and motivate tighter competition as the year winds on, and it's such a simple thing to change.
ChrisB10 wrote:
How about instead of changing the point system to keep fucking the guy riding the best, other riders just step up and ride better? I know...
How about instead of changing the point system to keep fucking the guy riding the best, other riders just step up and ride better?

I know it's not happening but let's not turn SX into socialism because they don't like the same 1% winning.

I agree. Always confuses why people are so determined to try and make it so the best guy doesn't win. It's a pointless debate anyway because the best guy will still be the best guy regardless of the format. There's no possible format that could stop Dungey from being the champ last year, and points leader so far this year. The biggest thing that makes these championship fights get a bit boring towards the end of the season is riders getting injured. How can you stop riders getting injured?
4thGearPinned 1/30/2016 9:15am
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The idea is to have a tighter chase for the championship, better racing and guys going after it more later in the season instead of settling. if that doesn't appeal to you or sound more exciting I'm sorry.
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Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has been discussed before...
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MR. X 1/30/2016 9:40am
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Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has...
Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has been discussed before...
Self importance, his thought was too valued to himself to post it some other pesky thread where the topic was already ground to a pulp.
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10000hrs 1/30/2016 10:01am
1/30/2016 10:01am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2016 10:18am
Anybody that suggests the point system be changed should be required to apply their new system to the complete history of old seasons and then report what seasons standings changed significantly. Then report the comparison here for us to discuss why it is better.
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early 1/30/2016 10:04am
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We should put everyone on Cooper Webb's suspension, that should even things out nicely.
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Cadpro18 1/30/2016 10:49am
1/30/2016 10:49am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2016 12:30pm
4thGearPinned wrote:
The idea is to have a tighter chase for the championship, better racing and guys going after it more later in the season instead of settling...
The idea is to have a tighter chase for the championship, better racing and guys going after it more later in the season instead of settling. if that doesn't appeal to you or sound more exciting I'm sorry.
I'm sorry you didn't think it through. After 3 rounds, your points system would have the 2nd place rider farther out of 1st than the current structure.
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jock 1/30/2016 12:28pm
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4thGearPinned wrote:
The idea is to have a tighter chase for the championship, better racing and guys going after it more later in the season instead of settling...
The idea is to have a tighter chase for the championship, better racing and guys going after it more later in the season instead of settling. if that doesn't appeal to you or sound more exciting I'm sorry.
If everyone steps up to RD's level, it will be a tight points chase. Problem solved.
4thGearPinned 1/30/2016 12:41pm
1/30/2016 12:41pm
disbanded wrote:
Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has...
Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has been discussed before...
MR. X wrote:
Self importance, his thought was too valued to himself to post it some other pesky thread where the topic was already ground to a pulp.
u put the u in cnt.

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4thGearPinned 1/30/2016 12:47pm
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10000hrs wrote:
Anybody that suggests the point system be changed should be required to apply their new system to the complete history of old seasons and then report...
Anybody that suggests the point system be changed should be required to apply their new system to the complete history of old seasons and then report what seasons standings changed significantly. Then report the comparison here for us to discuss why it is better.
Going to do this after race day live actually and see how it would impact the blowout seasons... guys clinching with 4 rounds to go etc.
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steve_97060 1/30/2016 2:25pm
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disbanded wrote:
Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has...
Just for shits and giggles, you should type in POINTS into the search bar on this site and see how many hundreds of times this has been discussed before...
MR. X wrote:
Self importance, his thought was too valued to himself to post it some other pesky thread where the topic was already ground to a pulp.
because he is an expert on everything and has an inflated sense of self worth so he feels the need to enlighten us all on whatever pops into his head at the moment..
coastlinecascott 1/30/2016 5:22pm
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just James wrote:
What the series needs is an advisor, like say, Bernie Sanders. He could periodically take 90% of the points from the top 3, and redistribute them...
What the series needs is an advisor, like say, Bernie Sanders. He could periodically take 90% of the points from the top 3, and redistribute them among the other riders. After all, it is not fair that some have more than others. In this way we could pretend that the series is always close and exciting. Call it "Supercross Justice".
Lol..that was great!!!!
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Gringoe 1/30/2016 5:28pm
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early wrote:
We should put everyone on Cooper Webb's suspension, that should even things out nicely.
Everything would work the same
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BAMX 1/30/2016 5:47pm
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How about they start paying more purse money as the year goes on?

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